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Old 2008-08-05, 04:05 AM   #1
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Yet another thinking outside the box

Hi,

i would like to tell you about possibilities i see to make "toplists" better:

The general problem with toplists is, that they are crap for the user. They only frustrate the user. Nothing more.
For the webmaster receiving traffic from a toplist, this traffic is not targeted enough.

So how to fix this?

I build a feature into my site (poornpig.com), which is a real searchengine, with less restictions and more possibilities.
It is a combination between toplist and searchengine advertising.

How does it work?
A Webmaster is able to create "ads" with keywords, after signing up. These ads can be changed if needed. You can even change the keywords.
These ads are displayed above the search results if the keyword(s) match(es).
There will be only one "ad" per page!
What does this have to do with toplists?
The ranking of the ads is toplist like.

Hardlinks?
Currently no, but this is fixed in 7.5 minutes. But there will be no outgoing statistics.

Take a look on my signature.
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Old 2008-08-05, 06:08 AM   #2
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Why no outgoing statistics?

Toplists are usually incredibly targeted and sometimes almost stupidly narrow in the kink they provide for.

So basically you are saying - to get traffic from your site, not only does a user to your site need to search for the correct terms to find your site BUT your site also needs to be the highest traffic sender for those search terms?
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Old 2008-08-05, 07:13 AM   #3
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Just want to mention, before you get too far into things, that one of the board members here owns a site called PornPig.com and might have some objection to your site name being so close. Or maybe you asked him about it already and he doesn't mind?


(No, I don't suggest you change it to link-oo-rama either)
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Old 2008-08-05, 08:31 AM   #4
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Why no outgoing statistics?
Because it is difficult to say how many visitors went out when a link looks like http://www.example.com
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Toplists are usually incredibly targeted and sometimes almost stupidly narrow in the kink they provide for.

So basically you are saying - to get traffic from your site, not only does a user to your site need to search for the correct terms to find your site BUT your site also needs to be the highest traffic sender for those search terms?
I know i have a low traffic site and this may be not interesting for YOU but if you could ignore this for one moment...
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Old 2008-08-05, 08:36 AM   #5
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Just want to mention, before you get too far into things, that one of the board members here owns a site called PornPig.com and might have some objection to your site name being so close. Or maybe you asked him about it already and he doesn't mind?
Nice. I saw this domain was sold some time ago and i looked for contacts. I wrote an email have to check to whom exactly, but never got an answer.

Could you tell who owns it?
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Old 2008-08-05, 08:45 AM   #6
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I know i have a low traffic site and this may be not interesting for YOU but if you could ignore this for one moment...
It is nothing to do with the amount of traffic, its the odds being so low of sites ads getting seen that I am questioning.
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Old 2008-08-05, 09:32 AM   #7
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It is nothing to do with the amount of traffic, its the odds being so low of sites ads getting seen that I am questioning.
... I should not close the tab while writing ...

In the moment it is definetly not a problem. In the future when webmasters would use it, you are right that there is no balance.

Because this feature was implemented 3 days ago, it is not finished yet.
I thought about doing some balancing. Maybe something like giving the links with lower pages more pages to display the link in it. For example: Highest rated link gets page 1, the next one page 2 and 3 ... something like that. There i have to put some work in it to get a good balance.

But noone is using only page 1. How do you use a searchengine like google?

Page 1-10 maybe 20?

So what is with the other pages?
The most traffic I get is searchengine traffic. These users come to every of the max 100 pages.

Indeed it would prefer the links on page 1-10 or 20. I also thought about limiting it to say 10 links / keyword[s]. Maybe not displaying links after page 20?

Something about the "keywords":
- Currently a keyword has to match exactly, but as soon as possible stemming(en) will be implemented. This is to match e.g. "teen" as the same like "teens"
- It is possible to define more than one keyword
- A single word keyword is always the heavyest match of a query. For example the keyword bondage is heavy in every query that contains bondage. If i compare the querys bondage and "bondage rope" the keyword rope in the second query is a set of the keyword bondage, so bondage has a higher weight.

It would be good to make something more related. Using stopword lists to match automaticly different keywords apearing on pages with a high keyword density of e.g. bondage. But this is definetly something for the future.

My intension is to make a try to provide targeted users, not traffic. And yes i do try to get some more traffic for me.
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Old 2008-08-05, 09:45 AM   #8
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RawAlex

(I see you found his profile already)

Alex doesn't post here much anymore so maybe someone knows a better way to reach him.
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Old 2008-08-06, 03:11 AM   #9
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RawAlex

(I see you found his profile already)

Alex doesn't post here much anymore so maybe someone knows a better way to reach him.
If I remember right he left an e-mail contact when he decided to leave, a search should confirm this.

Otherwise I know I"ve seen him post at the zoo now and then.
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Old 2008-08-06, 04:54 AM   #10
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If I remember right he left an e-mail contact when he decided to leave, a search should confirm this.

Otherwise I know I"ve seen him post at the zoo now and then.
Found it wrote to both adresses...

What it the zoo?
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