Link Trades - the newest fad?

xxxjay · 2003-09-24, 06:54 PM

PR Brokers,

I’ve found that lately, I’ve been spending more and more time doing link exchanges with other webmasters to generate SE traffic. A lot of people dismiss these of being of any value, but I disagree – *if they are done properly* - link trades can be very beneficial.

One of the big problems is that most requests for link trades start out something like this:

“You link my PR4 site from your PR4 sites…” – blah, blah, blah…just PR for PR straight back and forth – THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! Problem is 95% of link exchanges are in this format.

Let me post this to try and shed some light on what is probably a better way to do these things:

1. Aiming my PR4 site at your PR4 site will have some benefit right now - as far as spidering goes. Trading is way better than aiming YOUR PR4 SITE site at YOUR PR4 SITE (crosslinking) – seeing as the links will at least be coming from different class c blocks. However, as time goes on, Google will become more sensitive to spotting patterns that are obvious attempts at PR manipulation.

2. And, as time goes on, the devaluing of irrelevant / off topic links will become more sensitive and the penalty more severe.

Most experienced adult webmasters have at least 5 domain up to ??? # domains – I personally have almost 100 domains now.

This is how I’d rather be doing these trades:

1. Relevant links only.

2. Stop nitpicking over PR so much, within reason. I mean, don’t give out 5 points of PR for none back – but if a trade goes one point or another in a direction – let it slide! Relevancy counts more, than jacking the little bar up – REALLY.

3. No more just aiming my site at your site – structure a trade more like this:

My relevant site A links your relevant site B > Your relevant Site B links My relevant site C then (if you are doing more)
Your relevant site C links my relevant site D > My relevant Site D links your relevant site E and so on and so on…

Anything too mathematical can be devalued by Google easily, but it’s way better than just linking A to A, B to B, C to C…you could hire a monkey could spot those patterns!

Also, if you are one of those dickheads that requests that I link every one of my sites to your TGP and you will link every one of my site from it (which is a STUPID IDEA ANYWAY) remember this – a TGP already has 100+ links out on the page already, meaning the value passed on to me will be very little.

It’s a simple equation:
Your PR / # of links on your page = the pr passed on to me.

Ok – I could write this post even fucking longer, but I won’t. I want to show what insipid this post. Not that I would ever recommend and one leave this board to look at GFY – here is a perfect example of what happens when you let a bunch on monkeys loose with a list of your sites:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=174118

From now on whenever someone want a link trade with me – I will force them to come to GG and Jim and read this thread first.

I would also like to note that there are smart people like spacemanspiff and JJ that read this board that I already do trades like this on a regular basis.

Let me know what you think.

Sumrpal · 2003-09-24, 07:50 PM

Great post Jay.

We've been doing projects like this over at TGP2 since last year. We get a bunch together with very different IPs, then build sites and link A to B, B to C, C to D, D to E, E to A (they're bigger than that, but I'm not going to go through the entire alphabet ... you get the idea).

You've got to SEO everything, and choose a keyword phrase, etc. But I'll tell yu, it works.

GeorgeTH · 2003-09-24, 08:23 PM

I think overall the Google PR rating as such is totally over-valued!

O.k. - it's a good ego boost to see a high ranking, but the way Google determines this seems to be very suss. And the value fluctuates a fair bit all the time!

Take some of my own sites for example:
my main site TropicHeat.com is up as a domain since 1999, established with hard-linked exchanges with some fairly big sites like sleazydream, wetivette, hardcorejunky, etc.. Yet the main page is mostly graphical (I know: mistake - though with proper 'alt' tags), updated 3-4 times a week, but never really changed (once every two years I do a re-design) - and it's PR is between 4/10 and 5/10 - - - and overall the site get's nothing special in search engine traffic.

On the other hand my tgp, picxs.com, was a bit of a joke: I put it online as an empty page (with a few sponsor ads and decent meta tags) about a 6 months before I was ready to launch it, submitted the site straight away to dmoz, and before it had any content it showed a PR rating of 3/10.
Now as a tgp it get's updated every day, I re-write several submitted link descriptions for keyword density, and in it's search engine placing for keywords that's working rather well: #1 for 'porn series', always in top 100 for 'porn' (currently #54 or so), pretty high up for everything with 'thumbnail...' - yet it's PR stayed on 3 for ages, slipped back to 2/10 in April, and has finally reached 5/10 -
the site gets 100s (up to 1,200) of good yahoo, google, msn, altavista hits every day, but it doesn't get any more now with a 5/10 rating then it received in April with a PR 2/10

And then again you find some thumbnail-only tgps with no text links, no toplist, and a PR of 6/10 - looking over their code doesn't even reveal special 'alt' tag - so where does google get the keywords from?

So where's the connection of PR rating to keyword placement?

McSpike · 2003-09-25, 02:41 AM

xxxjay, you hit the nail on the head. create link trades with out any pattern. not just A > B, B > C, C > D, pattern, but all the alphabet thrown in to the washer machine and mixed all up real good

link exchanges should be done with many different class c blocks, not just a few (meaning not just a few webmasters).

McSpike · 2003-09-25, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeTH
So where's the connection of PR rating to keyword placement? [/b]

I believe by keyword placement you mean search engine placement. Well in short, there isn't any.

PR is just one part of the equation and alone without proper SEO it means nothing.

Linkster · 2003-09-25, 06:13 AM

GeorgeTH....the text that Google uses for the keywords those pages are ranking well for primarily comes from the target text used in links from other sites to the page....thats why so many of the graphics type pages can do so well with very little on page text. Of course it helps a bunch if the page also has the text

xxxjay · 2003-09-25, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by McSpike
I believe by keyword placement you mean search engine placement. Well in short, there isn't any. PR is just one part of the equation and alone without proper SEO it means nothing.

Yeah - you are right - it is just one part of the equation - by the way people are acting, you would think it's the only part. Just as long as they are thinking that - they may as well do it properly.

Cleo · 2003-09-25, 01:38 PM

That is one butch cat.

xxxjay · 2003-10-07, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleo
That is one butch cat.

???

xxxjay · 2003-10-20, 06:20 PM

If this thread makes any sense to you then read this one:

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=1603

2003-09-24, 08:23 PM	#3
GeorgeTH Don't let a programmer design your front-end pages! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: currently on the road in CA Posts: 781	I think overall the Google PR rating as such is totally over-valued! O.k. - it's a good ego boost to see a high ranking, but the way Google determines this seems to be very suss. And the value fluctuates a fair bit all the time! Take some of my own sites for example: my main site TropicHeat.com is up as a domain since 1999, established with hard-linked exchanges with some fairly big sites like sleazydream, wetivette, hardcorejunky, etc.. Yet the main page is mostly graphical (I know: mistake - though with proper 'alt' tags), updated 3-4 times a week, but never really changed (once every two years I do a re-design) - and it's PR is between 4/10 and 5/10 - - - and overall the site get's nothing special in search engine traffic. On the other hand my tgp, picxs.com, was a bit of a joke: I put it online as an empty page (with a few sponsor ads and decent meta tags) about a 6 months before I was ready to launch it, submitted the site straight away to dmoz, and before it had any content it showed a PR rating of 3/10. Now as a tgp it get's updated every day, I re-write several submitted link descriptions for keyword density, and in it's search engine placing for keywords that's working rather well: #1 for 'porn series', always in top 100 for 'porn' (currently #54 or so), pretty high up for everything with 'thumbnail...' - yet it's PR stayed on 3 for ages, slipped back to 2/10 in April, and has finally reached 5/10 - the site gets 100s (up to 1,200) of good yahoo, google, msn, altavista hits every day, but it doesn't get any more now with a 5/10 rating then it received in April with a PR 2/10 And then again you find some thumbnail-only tgps with no text links, no toplist, and a PR of 6/10 - looking over their code doesn't even reveal special 'alt' tag - so where does google get the keywords from? So where's the connection of PR rating to keyword placement? __________________ Have a nice day!

2003-09-25, 06:13 AM	#6
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	GeorgeTH....the text that Google uses for the keywords those pages are ranking well for primarily comes from the target text used in links from other sites to the page....thats why so many of the graphics type pages can do so well with very little on page text. Of course it helps a bunch if the page also has the text __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2003-09-25, 01:38 PM	#8
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	That is one butch cat. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-10-20, 06:20 PM	#10
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	If this thread makes any sense to you then read this one: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=1603 __________________ Circle Of Violence

2003-09-24, 06:54 PM	#1
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	Link Trades - the newest fad? PR Brokers, I’ve found that lately, I’ve been spending more and more time doing link exchanges with other webmasters to generate SE traffic. A lot of people dismiss these of being of any value, but I disagree – if they are done properly - link trades can be very beneficial. One of the big problems is that most requests for link trades start out something like this: “You link my PR4 site from your PR4 sites…” – blah, blah, blah…just PR for PR straight back and forth – THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! Problem is 95% of link exchanges are in this format. Let me post this to try and shed some light on what is probably a better way to do these things: 1. Aiming my PR4 site at your PR4 site will have some benefit right now - as far as spidering goes. Trading is way better than aiming YOUR PR4 SITE site at YOUR PR4 SITE (crosslinking) – seeing as the links will at least be coming from different class c blocks. However, as time goes on, Google will become more sensitive to spotting patterns that are obvious attempts at PR manipulation. 2. And, as time goes on, the devaluing of irrelevant / off topic links will become more sensitive and the penalty more severe. Most experienced adult webmasters have at least 5 domain up to ??? # domains – I personally have almost 100 domains now. This is how I’d rather be doing these trades: 1. Relevant links only. 2. Stop nitpicking over PR so much, within reason. I mean, don’t give out 5 points of PR for none back – but if a trade goes one point or another in a direction – let it slide! Relevancy counts more, than jacking the little bar up – REALLY. 3. No more just aiming my site at your site – structure a trade more like this: My relevant site A links your relevant site B > Your relevant Site B links My relevant site C then (if you are doing more) Your relevant site C links my relevant site D > My relevant Site D links your relevant site E and so on and so on… Anything too mathematical can be devalued by Google easily, but it’s way better than just linking A to A, B to B, C to C…you could hire a monkey could spot those patterns! Also, if you are one of those dickheads that requests that I link every one of my sites to your TGP and you will link every one of my site from it (which is a STUPID IDEA ANYWAY) remember this – a TGP already has 100+ links out on the page already, meaning the value passed on to me will be very little. It’s a simple equation: Your PR / # of links on your page = the pr passed on to me. Ok – I could write this post even fucking longer, but I won’t. I want to show what insipid this post. Not that I would ever recommend and one leave this board to look at GFY – here is a perfect example of what happens when you let a bunch on monkeys loose with a list of your sites: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=174118 From now on whenever someone want a link trade with me – I will force them to come to GG and Jim and read this thread first. I would also like to note that there are smart people like spacemanspiff and JJ that read this board that I already do trades like this on a regular basis. Let me know what you think. __________________ Circle Of Violence Last edited by xxxjay; 2003-09-24 at 08:07 PM..

2003-09-24, 07:50 PM	#2
Sumrpal If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 241	Great post Jay. We've been doing projects like this over at TGP2 since last year. We get a bunch together with very different IPs, then build sites and link A to B, B to C, C to D, D to E, E to A (they're bigger than that, but I'm not going to go through the entire alphabet ... you get the idea). You've got to SEO everything, and choose a keyword phrase, etc. But I'll tell yu, it works.

2003-09-25, 02:41 AM	#4
McSpike I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 83	xxxjay, you hit the nail on the head. create link trades with out any pattern. not just A > B, B > C, C > D, pattern, but all the alphabet thrown in to the washer machine and mixed all up real good link exchanges should be done with many different class c blocks, not just a few (meaning not just a few webmasters).