Which Spons are Ready for 2257 Change?

[RawAlex]

Lassiter, you need to read this:

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...f/05-10107.pdf

You are looking at the previous / existing / want congress and the house passed laws... the DOJ has magically taken a marker pen to them and re-written them without bother to do the boring, slow, and required thing about getting new or revised laws passed by the house, senate, and signed by the president.

Read'em and weep.

Alex

[wolfie]

Ok.. this come to my mind more as joke but what if I rent some "closet" from middle of nowhere and use that address. Then blue suits can go and see DVD inside it.

Anyway, I'm going to use robots.txt file. At least it blocks major SEs.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by wolfie

Ok.. this come to my mind more as joke but what if I rent some "closet" from middle of nowhere and use that address. Then blue suits can go and see DVD inside it.

Anyway, I'm going to use robots.txt file. At least it blocks major SEs.

I'm doing the same...I still don't want the major se's indexing the page. Not like I can make the page a secret, but at least I don't have to advertise it.

[RawAlex]

Wolfie, no problem, but you have to work 20 hours per week in that closet, and it has to be your principle place of business. If they figure out you work at home 80 hours a week, well... it's not your principle place of business, now is it?

Alex

[wolfie]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Wolfie, no problem, but you have to work 20 hours per week in that closet, and it has to be your principle place of business. If they figure out you work at home 80 hours a week, well... it's not your principle place of business, now is it?

Alex

Imagine that!
That was a joke obviously.

[SmithsMedia]

http://www.fetish-video-cash.com all ready and compliant - says something for us brits :-)

[Linkster]

ARS posted their first installment yesterday on their board:
http://stats.adultrevenueservice.com...pic.php?t=2878

[Gawdy]

I think there is going to be alot of people out there not compliant and even more who dont even know the law exists. Theres a whole bunch of webmasters who have never even visited a forum

[plateman]

Looks like its gonna get tuff and I chatted with one of my main sponsors and they said they been trying for months to get the docs from the studios and no good getting it.. a lot of those DVD rip sites are gonna be hurting along with the webmasters promoting them with there content - DAM

[Useless]

I'm going to post this from an email I just received from Nubiles. Mostly because they said:

This is not our final statement on 2257 and webmasters do NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO POST THIS EMAIL ON ANY BBS BOARD OR WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!

Idiots.

If you have not consulted a lawyer then you really don't NEED these documents because these rules of record keeping are so strict and complex that if you don't keep the records indexed as the law states the potential time you are doing is huge.

What? So, if I don't have a lawyer I may as well not comply? Is that what I'm reading?

And they are yet another sponsor offering to host your HTML pages and images as a way around having proper documentation. Of course, in order for that to work legally, they'd also have to own your domains. They didn't mention that part, but I'm pretty sure that's true.

[rollergirl]

Originally Posted by Gawdy

I think there is going to be alot of people out there not compliant and even more who dont even know the law exists. Theres a whole bunch of webmasters who have never even visited a forum

Correct, and many of those with stolen pics or whatever won't be putting their home addy on the web anyway. If they pay for the privacy protection of their WHOIS no one will know much about their sites anyway.
Wouldn't they be a Pain in the neck to locate for inspections.

Then again.. there will be the forthcoming webmasters who are doing things by the book and will have a flashing ARROW sign AND a Yahoo map pointing to their front door.

[tickler]

(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person.

Everytime I read this I shake my head.

Why do they have both "genitals" and "pubic area" in the statement?

[chilihost]

Just to add to this thread, hunkmoney is 100% ready for 2257.

cheers,
Luke

[Greenguy]

A couple more from our news page:

Top Bucks

Party Doll Cash

ARS

As always, pay attention to the news

[Greenguy]

More statements (some will appear in tomorrow's news)

Brain Cash

Compu Dollars

Dollars 4 Babes

Fetish Affiliates

Twisted Cash

Flynt Digital

Naughty America

MPL Studio Cash

[Toby]

Hotlinking to images from a page hosted on your site doesn't get you around having to maintain 2257 records. The page displaying the images is still being published on your site. Linking to hosted galleries is about the only way around maintaining 2257 records for galleries with sexually explicit images, and it better be a text link or a thumb made from a non-explicit photo set.

[Linkster]

Toby - think about what you just said - and then think about what a sponsor who had a head on their shoulders would do - I know the first thing I would be doing is offering a sponsor free host and offer to host all of the content right on my sponsor server - that way the content never goes anywhere else and the affiliates still get to submit - of course convincing the TGPs and LLs to take sponsor hosted stuff might get in the way a little but Im sure that could be overcome with some guarantees from the sponsor.

There are ways to make this stuff work for you instead of against you

[Toby]

I'm not so sure sponsor provided hosting is the answer. If you want to get technical, you're still the publisher, it just happens to be hosted on the sponsor's domain instead of your own.

Now, a modified version of free hosted galleries and hosted free sites, that allow you to insert recip codes via an admin console would probably do the trick. But again, getting TGP's and LL's to accept them is another issue.

[plateman]

I know what I can do to keep my se listings is have the LL drop the sites and link my main page to two hosted galleries on those cybernet sites that make me a little bling and then look for content to replace what I have and maybe loose a few sites kinda hard and costly to replace a site with "machine sex" as a title to stay within LL rules.. but lately I been busy replacing old ARS content and have been actually like building new sites because those sites were listed at 1 or 2 places so they are borne again LOL

And yes I used a mix of bought content and sponsor - but it just kills me to turn off the sites that have sponsor movie content or old sponsor content that they cant get the docs for.. take outback cash I make a little from them almost every month and I used some of there and some bought content and it looks like I cant get the docs from either of the content I used.. So I am I think if this 2257 passes I'll gamble and leave the stuff there till I get it replaced with 2257 legal content...

[Greenguy]

A couple more to add from the news

Max Cash

WEG Cash

This is the solution we came up with.

We tried to launch some sets that were exempt of the regulation and it does not seem to have worked. Well not many sales so far.

Content shot before 1995, for affiliates only.

Softcore content on Paulm Markahm Content Store, again for affiliates only.


As for sponsors hosting well they already do that and the problem with it is the quality of content they give out in FHGs. They need to seriously rethink that business model if it's to fly.

[lokiporn]

we have been getting a number of 2257 inquiries. we will have an online record-keeping system made available to webmasters, fulfilling all the necessary requirements for 2257, on june 20th.

For everybody with this sponsor.

[xsiteu]

I have just sent their free hosting (ndhosting) a message asking them what they are doing. As the host only has Nasty content I tought it should be easy for them to make the domain complient.

[xsiteu]

This note is the first of several updates to all of our webmasters regarding the new Justice Department regulations for 18 U.S.C. 2257 which will go into effect on June 23, 2005. In order to abide by the rules set forth in this regulation, Lindamight.com regrets we must take the following action: *Free content: At this time lindamight.com will discontinue offering free content for promotion of our site. If you are using free content from Lindamight.com you should remove it now. Though we are in possession of OUR id's for this content we are not going to be providing them to webmasters and would ask that you remove any “explicit content” advertising our site. Explicit content includes actual sexual conduct including all varieties of sexual intercourse, vaginal, oral, anal, gay, straight, masturbation and sadistic or masochistic abuse. Also, any depictions of the genitals would fall within this definition. As the last email explained, all explicit banners should be removed and replaced by either the generic banner available through CCBill on our site, or a text link could be made of your choice. If you have any questions, please email either lindamight@aol.com, or georgemight@aol.com. Thank you and I hope to continue to remain successful in the affiliate program. Linda

and also this on the same day

In keeping with compliance of the new 2257 regulations, all explicit banners have been removed from the Affiliate Program. There is only one banner that will work and in order for you to continue to make $$$, the change requires that you change your banner that promotes my site to the generic banner that is available. This banner can be found at http://www.lindamight.com/Banners/banner1.jpg. Please remember, if you leave the current banner on your site, it will not go through and neither of us will make a sale. If you wish to make your own banners to suit your tastes that is fine, or you can just create a text link. Thank you for your cooperation and email me if there are any questions. Linda

Its this second e-mail that is interesting as it suggests that sending sales from explicit banners will result in the sales not being processed for both Linda Might and the webmaster.

Linda Might use CCBILL. I just wonder how this is going to work. Are CCBILL going to police this?

I am a non US webmaster using non US hosting yet I am being told that my sales will not be recorded if I continue to use their explicit banners or content. (Cant really see how one can promote her big clit without any image at all - but that is a seperate issue)

In other posts I have read:

Green Guy:
Well, not 50 - but a lot of programs are no longer allowing the use of the content that they did in the past & if you don't have permission to use the content, then you're breaking their TOS, not to mention copyright laws.

Anyone know why all these sponsors can not cater for non US webmasters.

I just got the statement from Guerillatraffic and they say (see last sentance)

We will also be providing hardcore content as usual. Within the 2257 hardcore zip files we will provide the correct documentation with the model addresses blacked out. Webmasters will have the model's full name, DOB and picture. We are ONLY using content that we have documentation for and we will be fully organized and fully compliant with the 2257 regulations. In the event an affiliate is questioned for 2257 compliance by the relevant authorities our documents will be fully accessible to you. We will also have a softcore downloads section, and a hardcore downloads section with no 2257 documentation for non US citizens.

So they seem to think they can do it.

It is unfair on American webmasters I know but we are not doing this to you. You are doing it to yoursleves - a new type of prohabition doomed to failure.

If American programs try to force this on non us webmasters then I fear tickler is correct when he predicts

Especially foreign WMs being forced to pull stuff sucks, because of some dumb US regulation. As it comes down, it will be replaced with foreign sponsors that don't mind affilates promoting their sites with hardcore

I have more than 10 different paid hosting and most of it is US based. It looks like I may have to move to Non US hosting. I don't want to but this is going to force me. I feel sorry for the hosts in this to.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by xsiteu

Its this second e-mail that is interesting as it suggests that sending sales from explicit banners will result in the sales not being processed for both Linda Might and the webmaster.

Linda Might use CCBILL. I just wonder how this is going to work. Are CCBILL going to police this?

The 2257 and .xxx Conference - Day 2
http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=230103
"Epoch co-founder Clay Andrews told the crowd that several webmasters have approached
his company about processing overseas in order to avoid 2257, a solution that’s not a
solution at all.

Since 2257 came down we’ve had a lot of requests to move to offshore processing.
We decline them, he said. It doesn’t matter where you process."

WTF, are the processors policing also?

Anybody that was there get anymore on this?