What does it take to be lucrative in the freesite game nowadays?

[BlackCrayon]

so how does everyone pay their bills? not that i want answers to that but if the people submitting can't make a living off it, are most people here besides the linklist owners part timers? seems to be a bit much to expect people to used paid content when they won't even be able to make a living off it. i'll never forgive myself for not starting a linklist or tgp when i first got into the biz in 98. all those yummy backlinks i would of aquired over the years...no point in making myself depressed over it though. i make enough to keep doing this full time but i really miss making 10-20k a month. seems there are still lots of people making this, or they make it look like they do. i guess the traditional methods just don't work like they used to. the big money is in seo, creating new ways to spam and drive traffic direct from the source. the question is, how the hell do you do that when things are more restrictive than ever. working your ass off to make 4k/month a year down the road just doesn't seem worth it.

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

so how does everyone pay their bills? not that i want answers to that but if the people submitting can't make a living off it, are most people here besides the linklist owners part timers? seems to be a bit much to expect people to used paid content when they won't even be able to make a living off it. i'll never forgive myself for not starting a linklist or tgp when i first got into the biz in 98. all those yummy backlinks i would of aquired over the years...no point in making myself depressed over it though. i make enough to keep doing this full time but i really miss making 10-20k a month. seems there are still lots of people making this, or they make it look like they do. i guess the traditional methods just don't work like they used to. the big money is in seo, creating new ways to spam and drive traffic direct from the source. the question is, how the hell do you do that when things are more restrictive than ever. working your ass off to make 4k/month a year down the road just doesn't seem worth it.

You can always do what I did. Marry a hot chick who works on cam. Then you can sit home and work on sites. She pulls in 5k a month easy. And we pay our bills by check. But seriously its like anything else, work work work. Know the business enough to keep your head above water. But I do think that some if not most have other means of income. IE advertising spots on sites can cost you 1k per month. I don't know why you dont put up a LL? I would think if done correctly in a short period of time you would have some great backlinks. This is just like any other business. Thats why they call it the adult business. There is no way of getting rich quick, but just like opening up a store front it will take time and hard work. I think to many people get into this thinking they will just wake up at 11am, work on their site to 2pm and then call it a day and watch the money roll in. If it was that easy everyone would be doing it. The good thing about this business unlike others, is it will still pay off if you work hard and dont give up. You just have to be willing to pick yourself up when you make a mistake and drive on. Other industries are not that forgiving. As far as your 4k a month dont seem worth it comment. I have to disagree. Thats 50k a year. And thats a good living. Not great but good enough to live off of.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

You can always do what I did. Marry a hot chick who works on cam. Then you can sit home and work on sites. She pulls in 5k a month easy. And we pay our bills by check. But seriously its like anything else, work work work. Know the business enough to keep your head above water. But I do think that some if not most have other means of income. IE advertising spots on sites can cost you 1k per month. I don't know why you dont put up a LL? I would think if done correctly in a short period of time you would have some great backlinks. This is just like any other business. Thats why they call it the adult business. There is no way of getting rich quick, but just like opening up a store front it will take time and hard work. I think to many people get into this thinking they will just wake up at 11am, work on their site to 2pm and then call it a day and watch the money roll in. If it was that easy everyone would be doing it. The good thing about this business unlike others, is it will still pay off if you work hard and dont give up. You just have to be willing to pick yourself up when you make a mistake and drive on. Other industries are not that forgiving. As far as your 4k a month dont seem worth it comment. I have to disagree. Thats 50k a year. And thats a good living. Not great but good enough to live off of.

yeah, 4k a month is a decent living but it taking one year of work just to achieve it is what i think isn't worth it. i'd imagine there are other more lucrative things you could work at for one year straight and make much more.

i know the online adult industry isn't get rich quick but it used to be, for me at least. when i first started doing this i was making 10k a month within 6 months. i spent years waking up at noon working for a couple hours a day and partying the rest still pulling in good money. i guess all of that has spoiled me because now all i can think of is how much better it was back then.

as for the reason i don't start a linklist now, its too late to be a greenguy, or a tommy, or xxxjays. no one is gonna submit to a site that doesn't have hundreds of thousands of hits per day.

i've just got to face the fact that things are very different now and will never return to the days of old but if i can't make 50k a year working 8 hours a day at whatever in the online adult world, i think i'll have to find another area of work but i can't for the life of me imagine working for someone else now, after all these years of freedom.

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

yeah, 4k a month is a decent living but it taking one year of work just to achieve it is what i think isn't worth it. i'd imagine there are other more lucrative things you could work at for one year straight and make much more.

I have to disagree with you here man. Sorry I did not reply to this sooner but I dont get alot of the posts in my email and I guess thats a good thing as it would drive me crazy. But look at what you just said here. Honestly I know people that went to college for 4 years, became lawyers, finanical consultants for huge fortune 500 companies out of NYC and it took them at a minium 3 years to even make that type of money. Hell my one friend thought he would leave law school and start out with a 6 figure gig. HE was shocked and very depressed for a long time when he looked over his bill from school and then saw his 35k a year paycheck.
Sure there are more things someone could do for 1 year and maybe make more money,but are they legal? But I'm going to go out on a limb here and think you are somewhat young and have no idea. Cause if you did you would either be making more money or not saying that comment. When I was in 11th grade some came into my school and asked us what we thought we would be making or expected to make right out of school in a job. I said 50k and he laughed. I thought he was wrong, be he was right. Dude 50k is not something easy to come by in any job. Look in the papers, internet or where ever and tell me what jobs you think someone can pull in that money with 1 years worth of exp or less.

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I have to disagree with you here man. Sorry I did not reply to this sooner but I dont get alot of the posts in my email and I guess thats a good thing as it would drive me crazy. But look at what you just said here. Honestly I know people that went to college for 4 years, became lawyers, finanical consultants for huge fortune 500 companies out of NYC and it took them at a minium 3 years to even make that type of money. Hell my one friend thought he would leave law school and start out with a 6 figure gig. HE was shocked and very depressed for a long time when he looked over his bill from school and then saw his 35k a year paycheck.
Sure there are more things someone could do for 1 year and maybe make more money,but are they legal? But I'm going to go out on a limb here and think you are somewhat young and have no idea. Cause if you did you would either be making more money or not saying that comment. When I was in 11th grade some came into my school and asked us what we thought we would be making or expected to make right out of school in a job. I said 50k and he laughed. I thought he was wrong, be he was right. Dude 50k is not something easy to come by in any job. Look in the papers, internet or where ever and tell me what jobs you think someone can pull in that money with 1 years worth of exp or less.

wow, juggernaut - I have never responded to one of your posts before but I gotta say this was excellent. You are right - I had a govt job that would be considered 'cushy' and it would've taken me probably another 2-3 yrs to make that kind of $ (in comparable CAD of course )

the thing here is that I WAS making 35k, which is not too shoddy, now me - I consider myself lucky to get a cheque each week

but I know that it's coming along. It's getting there that hurts lol, and a lot of folks can't wait that long, that's all.

Ponygirl

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

wow, juggernaut - I have never responded to one of your posts before but I gotta say this was excellent. You are right - I had a govt job that would be considered 'cushy' and it would've taken me probably another 2-3 yrs to make that kind of $ (in comparable CAD of course )

the thing here is that I WAS making 35k, which is not too shoddy, now me - I consider myself lucky to get a cheque each week

but I know that it's coming along. It's getting there that hurts lol, and a lot of folks can't wait that long, that's all.

Ponygirl

Well I have to commend you for leaving. I worked in the gov for 8 years and was pulling in some nice cash, gs-11 in the tech sector with an extra 10k and of course the local pay. In the end it was around 65k but I left back in April, stress was killing me and my marrage. But just to prove my point with this guy, guess what? I went back, not to the same place but once and old friend found out I left they pretty much begged me to come work for them on the contractor side, which I will say is a lot less stressful. The reason I went back for for a few. 1) I got tired of sitting in the house. 2) I got tired of sitting home and having my wife make all the money doing what she is doing (I just felt it was unfair) 3) the money was such a large increase I would have to been a moron to turn it down. But this type of money I'm making now only came after years of EXP.
Real nice thing is this, I love my site and so does my wife. I really enjoy working on it and now we have the funds to do what ever we want with it. It has now turned back into a fun hobby that with hard work we hope will turn into a profitible business. But if not, then we can at least say we tried and had fun along the way.. Cause for us in the end thats all that matters. Ok I wont post on me any more, I dont want to take over this topic. I think it's a very good one and should stay on point..