Do you think our adult sites have any political infulance

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Originally Posted by MadMax

If someone would like to get all the bullet points together, I'd be happy to go over the copy and polish it. I'm a published writer, editor and back in the day I won awards for some of my work. I know the tone we need and I can nail it, so I'd be happy to be the pointman on eloquence for this little project. An old friend used to say that my specialty was "masturbation of the written word," so my skills may be just what the doctor ordered

The best adult biz reference I can give on my writing is Simon, as I've done some extensive work for him. LMK if I'm needed

serperation of church and state. God was allowed by the forfathers, the church, the bible, the Koran, were not.

Writings by Jefferson, Adams, and other forefathers, clearly explain the first amendment was MEANT for unpopular speech.

All citizens and groups have a right to denounce the adult entertainment industry as immoral pornography; NONE of them have the right to call for imprissionment or punishment of the indivuduals in the adult industry.

US soldiers are fighting and dying in Afganistan and Iraq to stop Islamic extremists from punishing those selected as violating the laws of god as outlined in the Koran. Why do we allow the clery and their followers in this country to persecute those who violate the laws of god as outlined in the old and new testement.

neither sexual conduct nor sexual materials are immoral. Unless you follow what is outlined in the Holy Bible or the Koran. In the US, I may not be punished nor prosecuted for offending either religious text.

It isnt a fight to protect porn. Its a fight for your rights to not be religious, or of a certain religion, and not face consequences from any government agency because of that fact.

I AM moral;but my moral values do not consider my own or another personals sexual preferences, conduct or tastes as the proper forum to judge someone or myself as immoral.

those are rought cut but that's what comes to my mind as top issues.

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[MadMax]

Originally Posted by guestcam

serperation of church and state. God was allowed by the forfathers, the church, the bible, the Koran, were not.

Writings by Jefferson, Adams, and other forefathers, clearly explain the first amendment was MEANT for unpopular speech.

All citizens and groups have a right to denounce the adult entertainment industry as immoral pornography; NONE of them have the right to call for imprissionment or punishment of the indivuduals in the adult industry.

US soldiers are fighting and dying in Afganistan and Iraq to stop Islamic extremists from punishing those selected as violating the laws of god as outlined in the Koran. Why do we allow the clery and their followers in this country to persecute those who violate the laws of god as outlined in the old and new testement.

neither sexual conduct nor sexual materials are immoral. Unless you follow what is outlined in the Holy Bible or the Koran. In the US, I may not be punished nor prosecuted for offending either religious text.

It isnt a fight to protect porn. Its a fight for your rights to not be religious, or of a certain religion, and not face consequences from any government agency because of that fact.

I AM moral;but my moral values do not consider my own or another personals sexual preferences, conduct or tastes as the proper forum to judge someone or myself as immoral.

those are rought cut but that's what comes to my mind as top issues.

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While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us

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Originally Posted by MadMax

While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us

I dont think I get what you mean there.

you want to prevent us from prosecution, persecution and civil law suits with press releases and name calling? Am I reading that correctly?

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by guestcam

you want to prevent us from prosecution, persecution and civil law suits with press releases and name calling? Am I reading that correctly?

Nope

I mean that if we're going to draft some sort of statement it needs to be approached as something positive (like a press release, even though it isn't), and that we can't start name calling or being irate if the goal is to try and send a message to the surfers that we're actually responsible business people; not the kind of monsters and sickos that the government makes us out to be

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Originally Posted by MadMax

Nope

............that we can't start name calling or being irate if the goal is to try and send a message to the surfers that we're actually responsible business people; not the kind of monsters and sickos that the government makes us out to be

well for the record, I am not thinking about sending a message to the surfers about how we arent monsters. I assume my surfers know that already.

The message I want to send to my surfers is STOP BEING FUCKING SILENT CUZ AFTER THEY JAIL ALL THE WEBMASTERS THE SURFERS ARE NEXT. They being <insert bad name here> shits that want to JAIL ME BECAUSE I OFFEND THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

Here again, read the main problem, the problem that might put you in jail - THEY WANT TO PUT YOU IN JAIL YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE OFFENSIVE TO GOD AND ALL GOOD PEOPLE.

Dont be nice to the people who beleive that. Your neighbors cousin's kid step on a mine last week to stop people like that half a world away. Dont be nice to people like that in our own backyard.

Call them what they are: fucking monsters. They want to PUT YOU IN JAIL for political gain.

I'm sorry but thats a fucking monster. Maybe we dont use the actual words 'fucking monster' while were writing up the wording for the manifesto, but if you dont get it in your head that IS HOW YOU NEED TO TREAT THEM and see them, we will, next year or next decade, find our asses in jail.

PUT YOU IN PRISON BECAUSE YOU OFFEND GOD. PRISON. Jail. Rape Camp. Get it?

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Originally Posted by guestcam

The message I want to send to my surfers is STOP BEING FUCKING SILENT CUZ AFTER THEY JAIL ALL THE WEBMASTERS THE SURFERS ARE NEXT.

Right on. Here in the UK though they are doing it ass about face (as usual) and jailing the surfers first. A number of people who have been on certain 'Russian Teens' sites after clicking on blind links have been found with CP images in their browser cache and prosecuted, even after pointing out to the court that there was no way of knowing that the link in question would take them to such images (in one case a page of five hundred 100 pixel square thumbnails.. shock headlines '500 CP images found on ....'). Thats one case I believe where the relevant webmasters should have been jailed but its easier for the UK authorities to 'send the right message' by jailing the surfers who they already have than some dodgy ped0 Mafiosi Boss in the Ukraine. This affects all of us because suddenly people wont click on any links to teen sites just in case ... no wonder mature content is so popular now!

Over here we dont have Bush but we have CAP (Christians against Porn), these are the bunch that go round reporting escort homepages with nudity that are found on non-adult servers (such as the free space on the Girls ISP site) and trying to get sex shops closed.

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Originally Posted by Mattinblack

Over here we dont have Bush but we have CAP (Christians against Porn), these are the bunch that go round reporting escort homepages with nudity that are found on non-adult servers (such as the free space on the Girls ISP site) and trying to get sex shops closed.

I think the old romans had it right - persecute the christians. Holy fuck batman! You'd need Austrialia to hold all the people in the history of ONLY the last century of those who killed in the name of Christ.

You can use a Starbucks coffee shop to hold those who killed in the name of Satan.

There outta be a law - No Christian may say, look at, or show interest in ANYTHING PORN related until two years of working with the homeless has occurred. And in that time period they may not speak of the topic of porn or obscenity ever.

I say NOT ONE so called christian (and I am born, baptised and raised Roman Catholic) who current works to 'stop porn' could pass that test.

Image a period of two years where the christian HAD to do nothing BUT HELP. No comdemnation allowed at all during that period of time. The graduation rate for that rule would be 1 or 2 percent.

fucking christians.........what a bunch of sleazy scum bags.....if there really WAS A GOD.........dont you think the christians and the islamics would be the first to burst into flames?

ok, back to my italian sub and football........

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Originally Posted by MadMax

While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us

by the way, to your original point in post #53 of this thread. You quote me and then say "Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling ".

Looking at what I wrote in my listing of talking points - please point out to me which of those is
1. name calling
2. negative

because I see niether (in that post).

[Mattinblack]

Ok since nobody is sticking their heads above the battlements here is my draft:

Coalition of Adult Web Content Publishers

We would like to make the following statements to those who would seek to outlaw all pornography on the world wide web.

1. Without exception every responsible Adult Webmaster despises Ch1ld P0rn0r4phy and will report such activities to the authorities whenever found. It must be realised that some models who are in fact in their 20's may appear far younger.

2. It is human nature to want to engage in sexual activity. For some individuals solo sexual activity is the only sexual release they have, for varying reasons not limited to but including disability, religious convictions (prohibiting extra marital sex), and appearance.

3. There are a small number of (mostly Eastern Bloc) webmasters who are tarnishing the image of the industry as a whole by exploiting children. Do we see a call for Banks to be abolished because they hold funds for Terrorists? Some of the proposed actions are on this scale.

4. The industry employs many thousands of people in the USA alone and many tens of thousands worldwide. Shutting this industry down would have an economic impact similar to closing all the car plants in the US and relocating them in Russia.

5. It is every human beings right to make their own mind up about what they will and will not do in life. For some people pornography is abhorrant and for some people pornography is a necessity. It is pointless for the state to 'nanny' the adults within its borders. Any ban simply forces the activity to go underground and keeps the profits in the hands of those unscrupulous people who caused the problem in the first place. Did we learn nothing from the Prohibition of Alchohol?