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[LowryBigwood]

Hey all,

I am looking for some feedback on LL's that have a problem with custom recips. What am I referring to as "custom recips"?

A table recip with a bg color to match the freesite, with a link to your index page and a link to the category page being submitted to.

Of course, using your preferred anchor text on both links.

I know many LL's take these, but I'm looking for ones that do not.

I am starting to learn php(very early stages), and for my first script, I'm going to try to write a tool that will automatically build your custom recips for you, allowing you to enter table bg color, link text color, font, and border color & width (possibly).

The script will allow you to choose howmany recips to show per page, and will make the code for all available LL scripts in that niche.

If you choose 16 recips for example, you would get the code printed out to be copied and pasted into your page where you want the recips to appear. It would also (in a perfect world), print out all the code for your mirrors, all containing different LL's, for the amount of LLs that were contained in that niche.

So, if you want your LL excluded from this project, let me know that you have a problem with custom recips, and I'll make sure not to add you to the scripts LL pool.

Thanks!

[Wazza]

Good thread - I'd be interested in knowing this too

For the record - I've got no issue with custom recips at the Schnag

[MrYum]

Actually, I prefer custom recips for the clean look possible by going that route while still being able to use a reasonable amount of recips. I find 16 custom recips usually looks better than 12 or even 8 regular recips...assuming they're done well of course.

[Surfn]

I have no problem with them as long as all on the page are custom and done well.

[Jel]

No problem here, but I do like to see the title tags intact

[flyeruk]

No probs here either

[Mateusz]

No problems with custom recips at all but... keep in mind that if you shared this script to the public you should update it regularly (at least its my opinion - if you do something do it right)
I have no idea in what database my recips are, but I get new first time submiters using out of date recips every day - I updated mine more than 2 months ago and old are not avilable anywhere on the net

[PeterJ]

What fits the submitter as long as my link is there

- PeterJ

[Allfetish]

I'm a small player but I have no problem whatsoever. In fact, I'd actually prefer it if no two recips were exactly the same. Obviously a two point font wouldn't cut it though (of course you are not advocating this anyway). Just should be reasonable and fair.

[MadMax]

I have no problem with custom recips, but I'll bring up a couple points for you to consider before releasing a script to the general public:

1. Make sure the submitter can group the recips however they like. Different submitters like to group recips different ways, so don't lock them into some kind of default grouping. This will probably be your biggest hurdle to overcome as a new coder.

2. As Mateusz pointed out, keeping the script recips updated will be an issue...you don't want users of your script to start getting declines because they're using recips that are 6 months obsolete. Different LLs have different levels of tolerance for "old" recips after they've taken the time to update them.

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by MadMax

1. Make sure the submitter can group the recips however they like. Different submitters like to group recips different ways, so don't lock them into some kind of default grouping. This will probably be your biggest hurdle to overcome as a new coder.

Good idea. Should not be that hard to code a randomize function in by default or to say allow people to assign "Tiers" and then to randomize within those tiers. I've heard LL owners complain about always seeing themselves grouped with the same other LL on a recip block - especially if they percieve that the other LL have no traffic.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

Good idea. Should not be that hard to code a randomize function in by default or to say allow people to assign "Tiers" and then to randomize within those tiers. I've heard LL owners complain about always seeing themselves grouped with the same other LL on a recip block - especially if they percieve that the other LL have no traffic.

I'd like to see Tiers of some sort, a randomizer would make submitting a pain in the ass.

[LowryBigwood]

Thanks for all the feedback so far! Great ideas.

For an example of what the custom recips might look like, here is an example. http://www.greatsexgalleries.com/adult-anal-porn/

The title attribute is used, if that is how you have it setup on the recips you are having your webmasters use.

I don't follow how these recips would become outdated. Unless the linklist owner decides to change his anchor text or title tag.

Figuring out how to group the LL's together to satisfy everyone might be a problem. I was gonna have it grab the niche recips at random from a pool of LL's, and place them into your table. Of course those LL's that only want to be grouped with other large LL's, could pose a problem for submitters, gonna have to give that some though and try to figure out a solution.

It might be a while before this script is released, so keep the feedback coming if you have suggestions or ideas.

Thanks!

[LowryBigwood]

Forgot to add, If you are / were using something like my old ssi recips, then I could see how this would need to be updated constantly.

As you can see, the recips are outdated and old.
http://www.amateurvehicle.com/ssi-recips/

Thanks again everyone.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

I don't follow how these recips would become outdated. Unless the linklist owner decides to change his anchor text or title tag.

Some of us do this on a halfway regular basis for SEO reasons

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Figuring out how to group the LL's together to satisfy everyone might be a problem. I was gonna have it grab the niche recips at random from a pool of LL's, and place them into your table. Of course those LL's that only want to be grouped with other large LL's, could pose a problem for submitters, gonna have to give that some though and try to figure out a solution.

Submitters group certain recips together for different reasons. Some build sites slightly differently depending on an LLs rules and their personal preferences, then group the recips accordingly. Some group by traffic sent, etc. Some submitters won't want to submit to some of the LLs you have in your DB. In order for a tool like this to be valuable to a range of submitters they would need to be able to choose which recips to use and how to group the recips.

Also, having recips randomly grouped, making them all grouped differently from one niche to the next, would make submitting the right page to the right LL a real pain.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Some of us do this on a halfway regular basis for SEO reasons

I'd be willing to keep it updated, but the LL owners would need to notify me of the changes.

Originally Posted by MadMax

In order for a tool like this to be valuable to a range of submitters they would need to be able to choose which recips to use and how to group the recips.

I think I can figure out how to make that work.

Originally Posted by MadMax

Also, having recips randomly grouped, making them all grouped differently from one niche to the next, would make submitting the right page to the right LL a real pain.

If I can figure out how to make it work, I'm thinking of having the webmaster submit page urls for the LL's recips that were used, printed to the browser beside the code output for the recips, that way, you'd have a quick submit list right there beside the recips code. That might make things easier.

Hoping to make this tool useful for all submitters, and with these ideas, I think I can make it happen.

Thanks again!

[swedguy]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

I'd be willing to keep it updated, but the LL owners would need to notify me of the changes.

You would have a better chance keeping it updated if you do that yourself. Write a script that checks if they're updated or not. Considering the amount of new services popping up, LL webmasters would need a half-time employee to tell people about updates

And I don't have a problem with custom recips

[Useless]

There is another site that does that already, which I found after telling everyone that I had built the the largest link list recip depository in the free world. I was wrong. But from what I'm told, their database is even more outdated than mine.

When I first built my database, many, many people suggested that I go forward and script the same project that you are proposing to do now. But I didn't, and it was due to pretty much the same reasons that have been mentioned here already. It looked like more hassle than what it would be worth.

One of the bigger hurdles is the fact that not all link lists have the same categories or even define like-named categories in the same way. Plus, many have split major categories into soft and hard, ie - Ebony and Ebony Hardcore. It becomes a situation where there are so many options that need to be scripted to ensure the correct recip table is built, that it becomes a somewhat user-unfriendly script.

[skopintsev]

Since my short history in the BIZ I have never seen any LL, which has a problem with custom recips...

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

When I first built my database, many, many people suggested that I go forward and script the same project that you are proposing to do now. But I didn't, and it was due to pretty much the same reasons that have been mentioned here already. It looked like more hassle than what it would be worth.

One of the bigger hurdles is the fact that not all link lists have the same categories or even define like-named categories in the same way. Plus, many have split major categories into soft and hard, ie - Ebony and Ebony Hardcore. It becomes a situation where there are so many options that need to be scripted to ensure the correct recip table is built, that it becomes a somewhat user-unfriendly script.

I'm starting to see it your way UW. At first, I thought it would be much more simpler. It does seem like more hassle than what it would be worth. If I do go ahead with this project, I will try to incorporate all these things you all mentioned, but as UW said, it might not be very user friendly at that point. Needs much more thought and planning I guess. Thanks everyone!

[kit]

I like the custom recips. There is not a problem to be on the top with unusual link to us.

[Xeno]

Same here as well...

[RawAlex]

I actually prefer custom receipts to hard limited ones. I like to see them well integrated with the site, and I like that the actual text and layout will be different enough to make googlebot (and others) happy about it.

As long as you hit the words in my current return link, I don't really care

Alex

[RedCherry]

I too am cool with custom recips, colors, even custom text as long as it relates to the category you are submitting too. I think it looks a LOT cleaner when you build your sites that way. Plus you can put more recips in a table and have it look neat then you can when you use each of our recip tables.

This makes me think of G.A.S.S for tgp submits. I like that tool alot, but it is sooooo out of date, when I went to use it for some submits awhile ago, I ended up with viri in my computer checking out tgp's for rules in their data base that when I went and visited were gone and viri and dialer laden pages had been put up instead.

I can picture the data base for this... I started doing data bases in DBase II and Fox Pro, that dates me, lol. You would almost have to make this some kind of membership or fee based to make it worth your while to keep the recip tables up to date...we do like to change them for seo reasons.

But I for one, if it was reasonable cost, would use a service like that. I submit to small niches, and change up on niches from time to time, and it is always a pain in the butt to initially build all my tables....sometimes takes longer than building the first site in that category, lol.

[DPD]

Custom recips are okey provided they are relevant.