"Political Influence of Adult Sites" and "Free Speech Coalition" pressure.

[DangerDave]

Having just listened to the show in it's entireity...

IMO Trixie you did yourself and furrygrl no favours...

I too have a family,
and I too have kids,
and I too am independant...

So why do these criteria make you and the other "indie webwhores" any different to any other webmaster including Alex or myself!

Guess what they don't!

DD

[Trixie]

One of the differences is in how other people OUTSIDE of the industry will PERCEIVE an affiliate versus a performer/webmaster/paysite owner-operator. I personally think that the middlemen in this industry are the ones that the public would be the LEAST sympathetic towards. That's my opinion. I'm open to arguments convincing me I'm wrong, but so far I am not hearing any.

Another of the differences is that performer/webmasters interact more with consumers and can better convey that porn consumers are regular people -- adults -- who have a right to consume porn. I think we also need to have consumers as representatives - I'm not trying to say there should be fewer representatives, just considering who could best represent the people that the strong arm of the law says it needs to protect. There are no feminists or mommies crying about how we need to protect tgp owners or gallery submitters, but they ARE crying about needing to protect their fragile husbands and unparented kids and the poor abused porn actresses.

I have to go to bed now, but those are a couple of examples I can think of off the top of my head. Why is the idea that we are different so offensive to you?

It's not that I don't think you're a "regular person", or that you don't have a family, or that you don't take pride in what you do, or that you have no ethics, or that you don't work for yourself. BUT the people who bring real product that they created themselves to consumers firsthand with no middlemen and few or no upsells have a perspective that's different from someone running a linklist or tgp. I don't understand what is so crazy or offensive about that notion.

There are some people who go above and beyond making a buck to try to educate and portray sexuality honestly and depict women with integrity. People whose porn sites also have artistic, educational, and political merit -- those are the kinds of spokespeople I think the industry needs, not to the exclusion of others, but if we're fantasizing about "the perfect" representative, that's what comes to mind for me. Not that I think all porn should have artistic, educational, or political merit, but it would be nice to show that pornography can be all of those things and would make people more sympathetic. That's just what I think. It's hard for me to find much socially redeeming content on a linklist or tgp, but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.

[Mr. Blue]

Some things that I took away from the radio show tonight.

• First, listening to the show I thought this thread would have been considerably more dramatic than it actually was. If anyone got really upset or offended by this thread they need to get a thicker skin
• Furrygirl made some valid points
• Sirmoby was right, why are we talking about feminism?

The first thread that got this all started was Tommy's post regarding linking to a page. That thread got sidetracked by a few people babbling, etc. on unrelated tangents. In that thread I said, "This thread seems to be losing its focus and it's unfortunate that it is because something positive can come out of it."

In this thread Sirmoby wanted to stick on the topic at hand and I agree with him. It's like the adult biz suffers from the biggest case of Attention Deficit Disorder on the planet and we get nothing accomplished because of it.

Let's find people that represent the most avenues of porn. I don't care if it's a woman, a performer, a LL owner, a tgp owner, a tranny, just as long as its someone that will be effective...but we're not even at that stage yet. Let's get to that stage and then discuss it, calmly, without mudding the waters with other topics.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Not that I think all porn should have artistic, educational, or political merit, but it would be nice to show that pornography can be all of those things and would make people more sympathetic. That's just what I think. It's hard for me to find much socially redeeming content on a linklist or tgp, but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.

Do you even understand why men (by far the largest consumers of pornography) enjoy porn? If so, it doesn't come across very well. I've never met a man who sat around with his cock in one hand and his mouse in the other whose purpose was the journey toward social enlightenment. Maybe convincing yourself that you can make some sort of difference in the world with your particular brand of porn makes it easier for you to live in a society where most men and women outside of this business consider you nothing more than a hooker on film.

If you have such little respect for TGPs and Linkists, and have no need for their socially uninformed traffic, then you better update your affiliate program with a notice stating that you don't want to be promoted that way.

Someone better show me how the fuck "red porn" is socially redeeming, because most of us rank it down their with scat and fucking corpses.

EDIT - Maybe you'd like to report this post since I obviously don't agree with you on this particular issue. Go ahead, have me censored.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I've never met a man who sat around with his cock in one hand and his mouse in the other whose purpose was the journey toward social enlightenment.

Can you tell me more about the men you've met sitting around with their cocks in their hands? This is getting me hot . . . do you ever engage in mutual masturbation with these men? Pics please.

[Beaver Bob]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Can you tell me more about the men you've met sitting around with their cocks in their hands? This is getting me hot . . . do you ever engage in mutual masturbation with these men? Pics please.

I think he makes a pretty good point there and I think you are avoiding it by trying to be witty. |badidea|

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Can you tell me more about the men you've met sitting around with their cocks in their hands? This is getting me hot . . . do you ever engage in mutual masturbation with these men? Pics please.

Some friends and I sit together in a large circle and jerk each other off while discussing the abundance socially redeeming pornography we've stumbled upon as of late.

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Some friends and I sit together in a large circle and jerk each other off while discussing the abundance socially redeeming pornography we've stumbled upon as of late.

Say, if you don't mind, when attending one of those circle jerks knock Chop off your shoulder.

[Ms Naughty]

Could Greenie or someone post a few poll threads about various issues? (Or could someone tell me how to create a poll on this board, I'm buggered if I know how to do it)

The first one could be regarding labelling:

Poll: What label do you think should be the standard and promoted as such?
1. ICRA label (existing system)
2. A simple <content="adult"> meta tag
3. A more complex tag with varying content levels but still one that is just inserted in the html
4. A meta label combined with V-chip system
5. No label

Not sure if that's all the choices, but it's a start and would give us an idea of what people want. Perhaps this poll could be posted on other boards as well, to get a broader picture of people's opinions.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

Say, if you don't mind, when attending one of those circle jerks knock Chop off your shoulder.

I heard you were a voyeur. I guess that doesn't apply to 20 or so guys jerking off though, eh?

[MeatPounder]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Some friends and I sit together in a large circle and jerk each other off while discussing the abundance socially redeeming pornography we've stumbled upon as of late.

Emmanuelle will be pm'ing you shortly about a new niche site I'm sure