"Political Influence of Adult Sites" and "Free Speech Coalition" pressure.

RawAlex · 2006-02-09, 09:35 AM

Kcat, as Mr Blue said, I don't think it is about "most socially acceptable porn", because more than 50% of americans have watched or actively watch porn, but they would never admit it.

Start talking about freedom of speech, and the ACLU and all those other groups will form up behind you, supporting you to the very end.

I think this is more about not putting the WRONG foot forward. You do not want to give the enemies of porn more ammo to work from. While I support the freedom of speech for red sites, example, I also think that they would be fodder for the media and for the members of Congress, so I don't think that they are a good issue to fight on. Nor do I think that gagging sites, or bondage sites, or bukkakke sites would be good examples to use (and thus the people who operate them are not the best representitives to talk about porn, because we want the world to get the message, not to get lost in the person presenting it).

The sad fact is the best way in my mind to portray porn is with a simple guy meets girl, guy fucks girl site. Yes, it is walmart porn, but walmart porn is what the public is generally buying, and what they find socially acceptable. With social exceptance we are more likely to get the message out there, rather than starting a debate about the messanger.

Alex

Useless · 2006-02-09, 10:39 AM

Putting an air freshener in a shit house doesn't remove the fact that someone just shat there.

KCat · 2006-02-09, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

I think this is more about not putting the WRONG foot forward. You do not want to give the enemies of porn more ammo to work from. While I support the freedom of speech for red sites, example, I also think that they would be fodder for the media and for the members of Congress, so I don't think that they are a good issue to fight on. Nor do I think that gagging sites, or bondage sites, or bukkakke sites would be good examples to use (and thus the people who operate them are not the best representitives to talk about porn, because we want the world to get the message, not to get lost in the person presenting it).

I totally agree. Since the red sites were brought up again, it bears saying that no matter how intelligent & articulate the women are who run sites in that niche, that is not a place we want to go with this fight. John Q Public is not going to see red porn & say, "How wonderful that these women are celebrating their natural cycles!"

Like Mr. Blue said, I agree that the best course of action is focusing on how freedom of speech is being infringed upon, but I still think having a performer who creates her own content without being "degraded" would help. We're talking about infringing on her right to create the content & the public's right to view the content.

Does anyone watch the show Family Business? I think Adam Glasser does a fantastic job of challenging the stereotype of smarmy porn producer. He's relatable, he's likeable, he seems like a good dad & has a great relationship with his mom. And he treats the performers with respect.

More Adams & less Rob Blacks can only help this fight.

Bill · 2006-02-09, 04:30 PM

I've long ago given up trying to figure out what you guys are fighting about. All this yelling is making no sense at all to me.

You guys have all gone crazy, as far as I can tell. I can imagine what out FSC guests think of all this.

Next week, when the fire has died down, I plan on starting a new Free Speech Coalition thread in which we can get back to the political business at hand.

You are now returning to your regularly scheduled dark comedy.

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2006-02-09, 09:35 AM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Kcat, as Mr Blue said, I don't think it is about "most socially acceptable porn", because more than 50% of americans have watched or actively watch porn, but they would never admit it. Start talking about freedom of speech, and the ACLU and all those other groups will form up behind you, supporting you to the very end. I think this is more about not putting the WRONG foot forward. You do not want to give the enemies of porn more ammo to work from. While I support the freedom of speech for red sites, example, I also think that they would be fodder for the media and for the members of Congress, so I don't think that they are a good issue to fight on. Nor do I think that gagging sites, or bondage sites, or bukkakke sites would be good examples to use (and thus the people who operate them are not the best representitives to talk about porn, because we want the world to get the message, not to get lost in the person presenting it). The sad fact is the best way in my mind to portray porn is with a simple guy meets girl, guy fucks girl site. Yes, it is walmart porn, but walmart porn is what the public is generally buying, and what they find socially acceptable. With social exceptance we are more likely to get the message out there, rather than starting a debate about the messanger. Alex

2006-02-09, 04:30 PM	#4
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I've long ago given up trying to figure out what you guys are fighting about. All this yelling is making no sense at all to me. You guys have all gone crazy, as far as I can tell. I can imagine what out FSC guests think of all this. Next week, when the fire has died down, I plan on starting a new Free Speech Coalition thread in which we can get back to the political business at hand. You are now returning to your regularly scheduled dark comedy.