What internet content label do you think should be the standard and promoted as such?

[walrus]

Originally Posted by DJilla

BULLETIN!
I've found out that the official position of the FSC is to be against and fight ANY mandatory tagging standards.

WHY? Because mandatory tags could somewhere down the line allow the blocking of materials at the ISP level. Can you imagine a "Christian" or "Parents Network" ISP company starting up to address this perceived market need based on mandatory tagging?

...and that would be a bad thing? Why? As long as there is an available ISP in an area that does carry all content, I personally see no problem. That's what a free market is all about.

Second, this is a very bad sign and shows just how out of touch the FSC really is. They are trying to push us into a direction that I don't think anyone of us wants to go and thats with an AVS system.

Finally, let me say that I have lost all faith in the FSC as being someone to help us with this. According to Tom Hymes, he was going to ask for our input before anything went public.

Originally Posted by DJilla

Initially I was a bit skeptical of this but in the last twenty four hours I've completely changed my mind to be in agreement.

WHY? I know you've all heard on the news today that cable and phone companies are floating the idea of making Google/Yahoo et al pay for access to the subscribers. This is outrageous of course but take the possibilities to their logical conclusion and its not a pretty picture.

Things that make you go Hmmmmm!

Never going to happen. In fact, if the cable and phone companies push it, it could go just the opposite direction on them.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by walrus

Finally, let me say that I have lost all faith in the FSC as being someone to help us with this.

IMHO FSC is the only org that HAS been helping us and is our best bet for the future. I'm willing to check out other links to groups that are suggested though.

Originally Posted by walrus

According to Tom Hymes, he was going to ask for our input before anything went public.

Absolutely true, still going to happen. My update post was based on merely historical research I've been doing on past positions and activity.

Originally Posted by walrus

Never going to happen. In fact, if the cable and phone companies push it, it could go just the opposite direction on them.

Actually this is what I thought re: Public funded WiFi networks too. But its happened all over the USA. If you don't know what I'm talking about:

http://www.networkworld.com/columnis...hnson.html?prl

I use tags and I do like the elegance of the solution (I'm not too scared by all the AVS hyperbole probably should be though) tags are still a great idea for filters and responsible WM's should use them. I think the position is more clearly stated that the government should not use ADULT as a platform for restricting speech. Let mom and dad do it.

I'm truly interested in this fight from a libertarian point of view not just because I happen to peddle porn. I am loathe to give governments the easy ability to filter expression. I am very admiring of Chinese dissidents who are doing hard time for posting a msg about political corruption. The web has to be free and protected from encroachment by power brokers and I can only be proud that "adult" is on the leading edge of this fight. All you WM's are REALLY important to this an should be proud too. No matter what country your from I'm thinking you have a better chance with a free internet than one which will be modified real time by politics or religion.

[walrus]

Originally Posted by DJilla

IMHO FSC is the only org that HAS been helping us and is our best bet for the future. I'm willing to check out other links to groups that are suggested though.

Personally, I'd like to see this go somewhere back to where it started with Tommy's thread. What I had hoped would be the start of a "grass roots" movement. I'd like to see "us" do many of the things that I think we're looking toward the FSC to do.

I've seen in Tommy's thread people volunteer domain names and hosting. I'd take that a step further and I'd volunteer to setup a CMS and get it looking good. Also, setup RSS feeds for the blog and news sections and make sure they get submitted to all the news services and regularly pinged. But, I'm graphicly challenged so someone would need to volunteer to develop a logo and some banners.

The question is are there people willing to post their stories on the blog? Are there people willing to create articles for the news sections? Are there people willing to rebutt things like this http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28891 and the CNN report that came out saying don't surf porn when it was an e-mail attachment that spread the virus? Are there people willing to research where senators and congressmen in their home state stand on matters of importance to US and do write-ups that can be posted? Who's going to reach out on the other boards to get others involved? Is there someone who we trust to set up a fund for donations not only from webmasters but from surfers because in the end money is power?

I think we can go a long way to combatting a lot of the porn myth's if we are simply more visible. Put a human face to the "porn monger".

If we do some, or all of these things, then yes, we have some power. Otherwise, we can sit silent or help further the ambitions of the FSC who's stance to date, publicly is not in our best interest. I think we have the best chance of helping us!

But what the fuck do I know.