what is the diffrence

Linkster · 2006-03-11, 05:43 PM

First off - I dont know why anyone would want to know what the PR (displayed anywhere!!!) of a page is (note I said page - and not site).
It keeps being bantered around as the bargaining chip for link trades etc and yet it is one of the smallest indicators of where a site will rank as far as Google is concerned. It certainly plays very little into how important Google thinks the site is since it is able to be manipulated so easily.
That said - the facts about PR are - the displayed PR on the toolbar is updated about every 3 months, the PR Google uses for its algorithm is updated almost every day and the best representation of a pages PR is in the Google directory listings - for example: http://www.google.com/Top/Adult/Comp...Sites/Variety/
Note the pages have a little bar to the left of each listing - if you view the source of the page you will find the code used to make those imgs - /images/pos.gif" width=11, height=4 The width goes from 1-40 and it is somewhere around a mathematical logmarithic base 7 number, not linear.
Interesting stuff but it still has so little to do with where a page ranks in the SE results pages, that as Bill said - it might as well go in the "no practical use" bin.

I also have always had a standing rule that says if you contact me for a link/traffic trade - you better not mention PR or I automatically say NO.

Halfdeck · 2006-03-11, 07:47 PM

First off, the title of this thread is "what's the difference" between live PR and toolbar PR, not "Will bigger PR help me rank higher in Google?", "will I get better linktrades using live PR?", or "Will knowing how live PR works make me any money?"

Bill posted that live PR was calculated by crunching numbers and resulted in a highly speculative PR, and I just said live PR isn't calculated at all by the script.

Anyway, here's one url Google spits out for those interested in stuff that won't make a dime

http://66.249.93.104/search?client=n...linkforsex.com

Bill · 2006-03-11, 08:11 PM

Well, halfdeck, your summary of how the tool works was better than mine, so I've stored it as my new snippet.

I've ended up deciding I must have stored that original summary from some earlier tool that did use the site: command (or however the tool would have gathered page data), and just never updated my definition for this most recent generation of tools.

Note that I still haven't researched for myself to be certain your explantion is accurate, because again, that kind of technical detail isn't something I concentrate on.

I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.

Halfdeck · 2006-03-11, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill

I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.

Bill, I'm definitely not making an assertion that live PR is Google's internal PR. Still, If you look at the url I just posted, it has 8bb92c8b3 as one of the query strings which is a security measure to make it difficult for people to access Google's database. Try looking up another domain with that URL and you'll find it won't work.

That hash was cracked long time ago by reverse engineering the Google toolbar from what I heard. I'm not sure the script I used to generate that url is even legal.

Bill · 2006-03-11, 09:56 PM

So, is the live pr tool doing something google would consider a violation of terms then?

Halfdeck · 2006-03-11, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

So, is the live pr tool doing something google would consider a violation of terms then?

I have no idea. The fact that there are no adsense ads or anything on that page should tell you something though.

Linkster · 2006-03-12, 07:24 AM

Halfdeck - that link that you posted is checking the stored text file that Google has for that url to get posted in the toolbar PR display - what makes that any different than just using the toolbar other than not putting cookies on ones own computer? That datacenter is one of the standard BD servers.
That xml is how Google transmits the text file to the toolbar and that has been around since 2002 and works as long as you know the checksum for your urls - it shouldnt be a problem using unless you are doing any auto queries.
Its interesting that they still serve the xml as they replaced that with a little text file some time back (a few years ago) to transmit the PR to the toolbar

Linkster · 2006-03-12, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Still, If you look at the url I just posted, it has 8bb92c8b3 as one of the query strings which is a security measure to make it difficult for people to access Google's database. .

That isnt a security measure - that is the checksum assigned to each url by google - you can get it by looking at the cookie google places on your computer when you use the toolbar

2006-03-11, 05:43 PM	#1
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	First off - I dont know why anyone would want to know what the PR (displayed anywhere!!!) of a page is (note I said page - and not site). It keeps being bantered around as the bargaining chip for link trades etc and yet it is one of the smallest indicators of where a site will rank as far as Google is concerned. It certainly plays very little into how important Google thinks the site is since it is able to be manipulated so easily. That said - the facts about PR are - the displayed PR on the toolbar is updated about every 3 months, the PR Google uses for its algorithm is updated almost every day and the best representation of a pages PR is in the Google directory listings - for example: http://www.google.com/Top/Adult/Comp...Sites/Variety/ Note the pages have a little bar to the left of each listing - if you view the source of the page you will find the code used to make those imgs - /images/pos.gif" width=11, height=4 The width goes from 1-40 and it is somewhere around a mathematical logmarithic base 7 number, not linear. Interesting stuff but it still has so little to do with where a page ranks in the SE results pages, that as Bill said - it might as well go in the "no practical use" bin. I also have always had a standing rule that says if you contact me for a link/traffic trade - you better not mention PR or I automatically say NO. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2006-03-11, 07:47 PM	#2
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	First off, the title of this thread is "what's the difference" between live PR and toolbar PR, not "Will bigger PR help me rank higher in Google?", "will I get better linktrades using live PR?", or "Will knowing how live PR works make me any money?" Bill posted that live PR was calculated by crunching numbers and resulted in a highly speculative PR, and I just said live PR isn't calculated at all by the script. Anyway, here's one url Google spits out for those interested in stuff that won't make a dime http://66.249.93.104/search?client=n...linkforsex.com __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2006-03-12, 07:24 AM	#7
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Halfdeck - that link that you posted is checking the stored text file that Google has for that url to get posted in the toolbar PR display - what makes that any different than just using the toolbar other than not putting cookies on ones own computer? That datacenter is one of the standard BD servers. That xml is how Google transmits the text file to the toolbar and that has been around since 2002 and works as long as you know the checksum for your urls - it shouldnt be a problem using unless you are doing any auto queries. Its interesting that they still serve the xml as they replaced that with a little text file some time back (a few years ago) to transmit the PR to the toolbar __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

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2006-03-11, 08:11 PM	#3
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Well, halfdeck, your summary of how the tool works was better than mine, so I've stored it as my new snippet. I've ended up deciding I must have stored that original summary from some earlier tool that did use the site: command (or however the tool would have gathered page data), and just never updated my definition for this most recent generation of tools. Note that I still haven't researched for myself to be certain your explantion is accurate, because again, that kind of technical detail isn't something I concentrate on. I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.

2006-03-11, 09:56 PM	#5
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	So, is the live pr tool doing something google would consider a violation of terms then?