Anyone here feel best qualified to be point man with the FSC?

[RawAlex]

DJilla: At the end of the day, the FSC is a global umbrella organization that by it's very nature cannot and will not represent the needs of the online world unless those needs match those of the video industry. We are still the bastard children, and we don't have the power with them to make it work out.

If I understand correctly, the elections within FSC are only for a limited number of positions, and the rest are by appointment or by "representitives from various parts of the industry". Even if the online people outnumber the video members 3 to 1, there would be no way to vote a more online friendly board.

We truly need an "online porn" organization that could work with FSC on things, but that would come to the forefront on issues directly related to the online world.

.kids is an idea I have pushed in the past, I think it is a great idea, but it also may put an unrealistic burden on content neutral sites (such as dictionary.com or whatever) to have a duplicate site because kids often access their site for information. I think that in the end both .XXX and .KIDS are misleading, because they fail to address the simple point:

The internet (like all of the world) is an adult place, and children are only safe when protected by their parents or guardians. It is a fact of the real world, and a fact of the net as well. Parents must take their responsilbities for how their children behave.

Alex

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

... We truly need an "online porn" organization that could work with FSC on things, but that would come to the forefront on issues directly related to the online world. ...

Does such an organization exist? If so let's support it. If not, then let's form one and make it work.

I think it is past time to shut up with a bunch of opinions and take some actions. How many threads have been started on this and how many retained their focus on the subject? Most often it ends up with bashing my government and my President. Yes since I am an American, Bush is my President for a few more years.

Speaking of opinions, Tommy came to the board with an ideal and some of the folks here with more opinions than assholes hijacked his thread and Tommy retrieved. I see that as a great lost to this cause - a respected member of the online community with a good ideal and because some folks had extra time on their hand he probably said 'bull shit let the sky fall."

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

Does such an organization exist? If so let's support it. If not, then let's form one and make it work.

I think it is past time to shut up with a bunch of opinions and take some actions. How many threads have been started on this and how many retained their focus on the subject? Most often it ends up with bashing my government and my President. Yes since I am an American, Bush is my President for a few more years.

Speaking of opinions, Tommy came to the board with an ideal and some of the folks here with more opinions than assholes hijacked his thread and Tommy retrieved. I see that as a great lost to this cause - a respected member of the online community with a good ideal and because some folks had extra time on their hand he probably said 'bull shit let the sky fall."

Good point

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

DJilla: At the end of the day, the FSC is a global umbrella organization that by it's very nature cannot and will not represent the needs of the online world unless those needs match those of the video industry. We are still the bastard children, and we don't have the power with them to make it work out.

If I understand correctly, the elections within FSC are only for a limited number of positions, and the rest are by appointment or by "representitives from various parts of the industry". Even if the online people outnumber the video members 3 to 1, there would be no way to vote a more online friendly board.

We truly need an "online porn" organization that could work with FSC on things, but that would come to the forefront on issues directly related to the online world.

.kids is an idea I have pushed in the past, I think it is a great idea, but it also may put an unrealistic burden on content neutral sites (such as dictionary.com or whatever) to have a duplicate site because kids often access their site for information. I think that in the end both .XXX and .KIDS are misleading, because they fail to address the simple point:

Alex

As usual I generally agree with your post. But from my perspective, I usually take the slow and plodding path towards success. Influence, control, acheievement is usualy made in increments and baby steps.
I've always found that it is easier to take over and turn around an existing entity, business, social group, etc. rather than reinvent a brand new one. FSC has done alot of the advance work and I think we could become a major factor within it over time. First step is to truly have someone on the inside. Even if he/she/they were initially ignored (which I really wonder about, maybe not) there is a path that can build with pressure. Again, I point out IMHO video stores/sales are dead, they just don't know it. Electronic delivery is inevitable and that's our domain (pun intended). We also could potentially muster a PR/news delivery system that would dwarf their current mainstream efforts. Starting a new org would be cool and why not? But again IMHO it would be way behind the curve and probably take much longer to come up to speed than we have to address the present issues. Best yet, do both.

Re: .kid, Having given this a lot of thought my strategy is first, this is something that we and the FSC can already agree on and a unifier. Second, regardless of the realities of parental responsibility, we HAVE to give parents something to work with. Third, it takes the pressure off us and puts it on filters, search, etc! Fourth, I think a .kid domain would turn out to be something truly wonderful. Finally, I don't give a whit about content neutral sites who might have to create duplicate sites. Too bad, comes with the teritory of the changing electronic frontier.

That still leaves the problem of warning pages. Naw, I can't imagine they stop anyone in their tracks with guilt or fear. But I use em and with the combo of .kid it puts the onus on "supervision" and not us.

Bottom line, I'll support everything those who are far more experienced than I say is a good idea.

[Chop Smith]

Did not want to start another thead but thought this was related to this one.

I was working on my2257records today and a light went on. Let's say that congress does pass some of the things they are considering, will it put the US adult webmasters out of business and open it wide for other webmasters in other countries.

For example, if congress requires age verification before hardcore images can be viewed the likely solution will be to have a one time charge paid with a credit card. Even, if the charge is $5 will surfers pay it to view US sites if they view UK sites free without age verification?

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

For example, if congress requires age verification before hardcore images can be viewed the likely solution will be to have a one time charge paid with a credit card. Even, if the charge is $5 will surfers pay it to view US sites if they view UK sites free without age verification?

Also remember that some First Amendment lawyers are trying to patent their own age verification system that does not require any credit card processing. It's based on the honor system which obviously is silly but if they can get it passed then they'll make a killing since they'll have the patent.