conversions fell down in a disasterous way - Page 2

JustRobert · 2006-09-01, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomad

I was wondering, webmasters who make "1 to 3 sales a day" are you TGP owners or are you free site or TGP gallery submitters?

Do not know about the others but I submit galleries & freesites. Also own fake tgp and linklists plus there are the hubs as well.

I base everything around ccbill for it is my cake. All other programs are the icing to it. This month is below normal but here it is: 70 sales & 71 rebills. Makes me want to

sometimes. Love the rebills and greatful for the icing as well. But even with all this I know I suck at this and determined to do far better

nomad · 2006-09-01, 01:37 AM

So I assume you're making over 4K a month. Fuck I still don't know what I'm doing wrong in this biz

Yauhen · 2006-09-01, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomad

Hi,

I was wondering, webmasters who make "1 to 3 sales a day" are you TGP owners or are you free site or TGP gallery submitters?

Thanx,
Teebs

Neither. Mostly I handle review sites

Toby · 2006-09-01, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomad

I was wondering, webmasters who make "1 to 3 sales a day" are you TGP owners or are you free site or TGP gallery submitters?

I do a little more than "1 to 3 sales a day" as a niche TGP owner and occassional gallery submitter.

The keys, in my opinion, is being able to generate and filter traffic. And once you have that filtered traffic, knowing what that niche surfer is looking for and providing it.

One thing to keep in mind. Cutting your conversion ratio in half is the equivalent of doubling your traffic.

ronnie · 2006-09-01, 08:42 AM

Many people also leaving money on the table by not getting the most clicks out of their ads. 1% v.s 10% can be a huge difference. Course this thread is about conversions.

ronnie

Yauhen · 2006-09-01, 09:36 AM

While you guys still keep this thread alive, I'll try to set my point out once again. The reason why I started this thread was not 'sales', but 'conversions'.

I don't submit free sites or galleries, so all my traffic comes from SE. So, what I'm saying is that the attendance of my sites hasn't actually changed to the worse, but only grown after the last major update on Yahoo that I noticed in the middle of this month.

So, when some of you say that in August poeple are away from their computers due to some seasonal reasons', I feel this is not about the visitors of my sites. I get the same amount of visitors coming from SEs to my sites and I get the same amount of them that go on to visit sponsor sites, BUT the thing is that in the first half of August I made around 45 sales, and suddenly, starting from 17th, I have had almost NO sales (only 2), while the my site attendance stats as well as sponsor stats show slight increase rather than any decline. But nobody signs up.

That's what I was saying. Do you think it is a general practice? Any ideas?

BTW, is there any possibility that my visitors go on to sponsor sites, and their hits are tracked there, while their sign-ups are not?

nomad · 2006-09-01, 09:58 AM

Thanx for all the info everyone

Cheers!

Toby · 2006-09-01, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yauhen

BTW, is there any possibility that my visitors go on to sponsor sites, and their hits are tracked there, while their sign-ups are not?

This is always a possibility. How much it happens is a topic of much debate. If you're highly suspect that a specific sponsor is shaving sales, sign up yourself and confirm that it gets tracked.

Yauhen · 2006-09-01, 11:19 AM

I can't suspect any sponsor in particular. I promote 15 sponsors or so, and the situation is the same with all of them for me.

I just wonder if there can be any fault on my part. I'm not sophisticated in these things, but, for example, can the encryption of my pages (I recently changed it) effect anything and make any difference in this respect? I may have done something wrong, so I'm just trying to make sure it is not my fault.

One thing I can figure out, is that sponsor links on my sites work as good as they have always done, because sponsor stats show as many hits as they have always shown for me.

JustRobert · 2006-09-01, 11:26 AM

Yauhen,
Sorry to get off topic. As Toby & UW mentioned with shaving. Hard to say how bad it is or whether it is there at all.

Now I also believe that there is a correlation to what I mentioned earlier about sales being down, ratios or not. IMO the same people that may normally buy are doing that late summer vacation. Think about this, do you add out of the norm expenses a week or two before taking off on vacation? I know that I do not. I usually cut out movies, going out to dinner, etc if we are going to be dropping a couple grand on a quick trip. I want that to be memorable, then afterwards when I know I did not go way over budget its back to the frills. But thats just me.

I have said this before but I do not care about sponsor ratios. Every sponsor tracks them differently unless you only deal with one mega sponsor. The only ratio that matters to me is income versus expenses. Rebills do not factor into conversions but are a big part. Over 80% of the 71 I had last month at ccbill have rebilled for more than 3 months. Rather have 1:1500 with that then a 1:400 PPS. 1 person has rebilled 38 times now.

I have a feeling that you already know this. Above paragraph was more for newbies just starting out so they can think long term more than short term.

Papa · 2006-09-01, 12:40 PM

Very very bad
Worst month in years !!!
Stuff that was 1:500 or so are now 1:1500 !!!!

pornhitzman · 2006-09-02, 09:08 AM

July and August are the worst months of the year (at least for me). Let people get back to work/school and then take a look at your stats. I´m glad summer is over now, phew..

rickmercer · 2006-09-02, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornhitzman

July and August are the worst months of the year (at least for me). Let people get back to work/school and then take a look at your stats. I´m glad summer is over now, phew..

Aug best month so far this year...even got a conversion on the 31st which is a first for me. None on aug 31 2005 or 2004 (year started)

Papa · 2006-09-06, 02:57 PM

WTF'S goin' ?
2 months of very very bad ratios
Worst since i've been online and we're talking about late 96 here !

I'll shoot myself in the head if it stays like this or GET FUCKING WORST.

When you make money, your life style changes. So instead of paying 300$/month for a car, you go for a 600$ month car. Because you know that the money will come

When you make money, you get a bigger house. Because you know that the money will come

When you make money, you do lots of things, you go out, eat at restaurants, do some travelling YOU'RE HAVING A BALL

So what if the money isn't coming in, or it's not like it used too ?
Fuck the "having a ball part", you're stuck with house, car, motorbike name it name it.

What if you have fucking grey hair now and got kids close to 16 ?
What if you were a dumb ass and invested in stocks just before 9/11th ?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

And the asshole of the year award goes to.....

I forgot to say: IN NOMINATION FOR blahblahblahblah

lassiter · 2006-09-11, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornhitzman

July and August are the worst months of the year (at least for me). Let people get back to work/school and then take a look at your stats. I´m glad summer is over now, phew..

August was my worst month in a couple of years and so far September looks no better. Hoping for a turnaround soon. Traffic's down a bit compared to last year but not significantly so - it's the conversion rate that's bottomed out. I'm thinking that too many people have overextended credit cards right now.

JustRobert · 2006-09-11, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lassiter

I'm thinking that too many people have overextended credit cards right now.

I read a report last week that stated that americans have the worst debt ratios in its history at this time. This was spurred on by the events of 9/11. US govt after this horrible event when the market was tumbling pushed for people to spend to keep the economy alive. Pres even gave tax breaks, which effected the upperclass far more, as an incentive. First time in our history that there was tax breaks during time of war. Interest rates fell so people could afford bigger houses or pull equity and remodeled though many pissed away on vacations and depreciating assets like cars, bikes, etc... Many unfortunate souls signed up for adjustable rates so they could afford more at the time. Problem now is interest rates have gone up.

Financially a whole lot of people are in trouble and I would bet a good portion are those sweet loving porn buyers we all care about.

virgohippy · 2006-09-11, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustRobert

Financially a whole lot of people are in trouble and I would bet a good portion are those sweet loving porn buyers we all care about.

Maybe I should change my marketing tactics:

"You should buy my porn because the stress of figuring out how to pay for it is bad for your health. Relieve your stress and buy my porn! It'll make you feel good, and your health will improve."

JustRobert · 2006-09-11, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virgohippy

Maybe I should change my marketing tactics:

"You should buy my porn because the stress of figuring out how to pay for it is bad for your health. Relieve your stress and buy my porn! It'll make you feel good, and your health will improve."

Thats a fresh idea I think MML was trying to talk about at OTB before dropping the mic in the toilet

nomad · 2006-09-11, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virgohippy

Maybe I should change my marketing tactics:

"You should buy my porn because the stress of figuring out how to pay for it is bad for your health. Relieve your stress and buy my porn! It'll make you feel good, and your health will improve."

good one

MrYum · 2006-09-11, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virgohippy

Maybe I should change my marketing tactics:

"You should buy my porn because the stress of figuring out how to pay for it is bad for your health. Relieve your stress and buy my porn! It'll make you feel good, and your health will improve."

Virgo, you truly are a warped individual...I like that!

virgohippy · 2006-09-12, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrYum

Virgo, you truly are a warped individual...I like that!

Me?! No! I'm normal. It's everyone else who's warped.

BOSS · 2006-09-12, 06:11 AM

I hate to be that guy but... actually august turned out to be the best month of the summer for me

2006-09-01, 09:36 AM	#31
Yauhen They have the Internet on computers, now? Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 146	While you guys still keep this thread alive, I'll try to set my point out once again. The reason why I started this thread was not 'sales', but 'conversions'. I don't submit free sites or galleries, so all my traffic comes from SE. So, what I'm saying is that the attendance of my sites hasn't actually changed to the worse, but only grown after the last major update on Yahoo that I noticed in the middle of this month. So, when some of you say that in August poeple are away from their computers due to some seasonal reasons', I feel this is not about the visitors of my sites. I get the same amount of visitors coming from SEs to my sites and I get the same amount of them that go on to visit sponsor sites, BUT the thing is that in the first half of August I made around 45 sales, and suddenly, starting from 17th, I have had almost NO sales (only 2), while the my site attendance stats as well as sponsor stats show slight increase rather than any decline. But nobody signs up. That's what I was saying. Do you think it is a general practice? Any ideas? BTW, is there any possibility that my visitors go on to sponsor sites, and their hits are tracked there, while their sign-ups are not? __________________ Busty Porn Stars Cute Teen Sluts

2006-09-01, 11:19 AM	#34
Yauhen They have the Internet on computers, now? Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 146	I can't suspect any sponsor in particular. I promote 15 sponsors or so, and the situation is the same with all of them for me. I just wonder if there can be any fault on my part. I'm not sophisticated in these things, but, for example, can the encryption of my pages (I recently changed it) effect anything and make any difference in this respect? I may have done something wrong, so I'm just trying to make sure it is not my fault. One thing I can figure out, is that sponsor links on my sites work as good as they have always done, because sponsor stats show as many hits as they have always shown for me. __________________ Busty Porn Stars Cute Teen Sluts

2006-09-01, 11:26 AM	#35
JustRobert Bow Ties Are Cool Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: California Posts: 9,654	Yauhen, Sorry to get off topic. As Toby & UW mentioned with shaving. Hard to say how bad it is or whether it is there at all. Now I also believe that there is a correlation to what I mentioned earlier about sales being down, ratios or not. IMO the same people that may normally buy are doing that late summer vacation. Think about this, do you add out of the norm expenses a week or two before taking off on vacation? I know that I do not. I usually cut out movies, going out to dinner, etc if we are going to be dropping a couple grand on a quick trip. I want that to be memorable, then afterwards when I know I did not go way over budget its back to the frills. But thats just me. I have said this before but I do not care about sponsor ratios. Every sponsor tracks them differently unless you only deal with one mega sponsor. The only ratio that matters to me is income versus expenses. Rebills do not factor into conversions but are a big part. Over 80% of the 71 I had last month at ccbill have rebilled for more than 3 months. Rather have 1:1500 with that then a 1:400 PPS. 1 person has rebilled 38 times now. I have a feeling that you already know this. Above paragraph was more for newbies just starting out so they can think long term more than short term. __________________ Submit Your Galleries To The Erotic To Naughty Network!

2006-09-01, 12:40 PM	#36
Papa Kids are great, Appu. You can teach them to hate the things you hate and they practically raise themselves now-a-days, you know, with the internet and all Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 190	Very very bad Worst month in years !!! Stuff that was 1:500 or so are now 1:1500 !!!! __________________ Make 700$ per sale Deluxe Jap sex dolls

2006-09-02, 09:08 AM	#37
pornhitzman If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 247	July and August are the worst months of the year (at least for me). Let people get back to work/school and then take a look at your stats. I´m glad summer is over now, phew.. __________________ Post your freesites to Pornhitz Live Sex Linker

2006-09-01, 01:37 AM	#27
nomad Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 63	So I assume you're making over 4K a month. Fuck I still don't know what I'm doing wrong in this biz

2006-09-01, 08:42 AM	#30
ronnie Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Posts: 2,274	Many people also leaving money on the table by not getting the most clicks out of their ads. 1% v.s 10% can be a huge difference. Course this thread is about conversions. ronnie

2006-09-01, 09:58 AM	#32
nomad Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 63	Thanx for all the info everyone Cheers!

2006-09-06, 02:57 PM	#39
Papa Kids are great, Appu. You can teach them to hate the things you hate and they practically raise themselves now-a-days, you know, with the internet and all Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 190	WTF'S goin' ? 2 months of very very bad ratios Worst since i've been online and we're talking about late 96 here ! I'll shoot myself in the head if it stays like this or GET FUCKING WORST. When you make money, your life style changes. So instead of paying 300$/month for a car, you go for a 600$ month car. Because you know that the money will come When you make money, you get a bigger house. Because you know that the money will come When you make money, you do lots of things, you go out, eat at restaurants, do some travelling YOU'RE HAVING A BALL So what if the money isn't coming in, or it's not like it used too ? Fuck the "having a ball part", you're stuck with house, car, motorbike name it name it. What if you have fucking grey hair now and got kids close to 16 ? What if you were a dumb ass and invested in stocks just before 9/11th ? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha And the asshole of the year award goes to..... I forgot to say: IN NOMINATION FOR blahblahblahblah __________________ Make 700$ per sale Deluxe Jap sex dolls Last edited by Papa; 2006-09-06 at 03:00 PM..

2006-09-12, 06:11 AM	#47
BOSS Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montreal / Sparta Posts: 261	I hate to be that guy but... actually august turned out to be the best month of the summer for me __________________ Spartan Dollars =>Many Fetish Niches (FHSs, FHGs, Hosted FLVs, Page peels,RSS +)

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