What do you think about these?

[Tre Synful]

What's up everbody,
We just finished two new site designs. Please take a look and let me know what you think.

http://www.oevideoxxx.com

http://www.teentender.com

Any and all feedback is requested.

Peace Out,
Tre Synful

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Tre Synful

http://www.oevideoxxx.com

That's some pretty sick shit. I guess some people get off seeing a girl get slapped around during sex but I think it's offensive.

[DangerDave]

I think the tours look like bog standard "reality" template tours which off nothing to the surfer at all..

I also think the abuse of the model(even if with consent) in this video - http://oevideoxxx.com/tour_new/trailers/codywmv.wmv - is abbhorent and reflects badly on your program and dangerous for the entire industry.

DD

[Tre Synful]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

That's some pretty sick shit. I guess some people get off seeing a girl get slapped around during sex but I think it's offensive.

I hear you. It's difficult for me to watch some of the footage myself, but to each his own.

What about the design? Does the Grunge style look good on OEVideoXXX?

Thanks for all comments feedback.

Peace Out,
Tre Synful

[ladydesigner]

Originally Posted by Tre Synful

I hear you. It's difficult for me to watch some of the footage myself, but to each his own.

Well, I know what sponsor I'll be staying away from. That crap is just wrong - to each his own.

PS: That program name (OECash) kinda sounds familiar. I'm just sayin.... |confused|

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

I also think the abuse of the model(even if with consent) in this video - http://oevideoxxx.com/tour_new/trailers/codywmv.wmv - is abbhorent and reflects badly on your program and dangerous for the entire industry.

DD

I push mostly pretty hardcore stuff, stuff some people would never touch. I think most reviewers in my recip table would agree that my stuff is edgy to say the least. I preface my opinion with that so you know I'm not a guy that works with glamour content or something.

That being said, I completely agree with DangerDave. There's a fine line between sex and violence and that clip crossed it and nothing in that video looked consentual or enjoyed. I wouldn't touch that sponsor or that content with a ten foot pole.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Tre Synful

Thanks for all comments feedback.

Let's hope your cock rots off.

[Tre Synful]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Let's hope your cock rots off.

Chill out man. I just make the sites, not the content. Personally, it's not porn I enjoy either but to each his own.

Peace Out,
Tre Synful

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Tre Synful

Chill out man. I just make the sites, not the content. Personally, it's not porn I enjoy either but to each his own.

Peace Out,
Tre Synful

You are promoting a level of violence towards women that even my depraved friend Preacher finds disgusting. Hence, your cock must die.

[SheepGuy]

Well said UW. That was not acting, that was assault. And this scumbag wants advice on how to market it?|shot

[MrYum]

Okay...from the other posts, I wasn't even going to look. But, decided to check for myself and see what got others pissed off.

Which is...wtf is wrong with people

I've seen some pretty disgusting stuff in this business, but that's about the most vile, abusive and fucking WRONG vid I've run across. Beyond the legal ramifications (which you might as well put a bulls eye on your fuckin chest)...BEYOND that...wtf is the point of slapping a girl around like that??? This misogynistic shit just pisses me right the fuck off

Tre...you say you don't shoot this crap, but you're pushing it...building for it...wtf ever. If you work with shit, you're bound to get some one you...really bad choice of a company to work with.

Oh, and just for the record...and anyone reading this...submit that shit to my site and get an instant ride to the blacklist

wtf is wrong with people???

[jenni]

hmmm - I tried to see the video, but I got a 404 error - maybe that's a good thing

[jonnydoe]

404ed on me too. Must be pretty bad. The second vid was pretty hard. Nice work on the site but the content is not my cup of tea...

From Review at The Hun...the model has to look like they like it (which is probably impossible in this situation).

[Greenguy]

Since it's 404, I can't comment on the video itself - and by no means take this as me backing the guy that said "WHAT'S UP YNOT?!?" in the Welcome Thread - but you are on a very slippery slope when you start to comment on censoring what two consenting adults do.

[DangerDave]

I wasn't talking about censoring GG... I am talking about making wise business descisions.

The "selling" of such material is likely to draw the attention of authorities.. be it right or wrong.... As an industry that is constantly under scutiny and pressure...... IMO it is a an extremely poor business descision.

My personal view is that assaulting a woman during sex is 'sexual assault', and that doing what was depicted in the video to a woman(or any partner for that matter) is abhorrent, wrong and likely to be illegal in many countries.

DD

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

I wasn't talking about censoring GG... I am talking about making wise business descisions....

It seems like this thread already happened

I'll agree that it's bad as it does draw unwanted attention to the industry if you'll agree that they have the right to promote any sexual material between 2+ consenting adults.

[Tre Synful]

What's up All,
Thanks to all who took the time to reply to this thread.
It was intended to draw feedback on 2 site designs I just finished working on... That's it. It was not intended to;

1. Draw negative feedback based on what my client is shooting
2. Offend, shock or insult anybody

I've since brought the matter to the clients attention the scene has been disabled and is being dropped from the site. I do appreciate the feedback, both positive and negative.

Peace Out,
Tre Synful

[Preacher]

There's a difference between censoring and supporting. I personally wouldn't touch that content nor would I list it on my linklist, but they have as much right to push their content if it's consentual as I do to push a mine.

[Licker4U]

I think Tre wanted feedback on design, layout, sales text...the same things other site builders ask for. The only thing close to feedback was:

Originally Posted by DangerDave

I think the tours look like bog standard "reality" template tours which off nothing to the surfer at all..
DD

When I saw the first vid I almost became UW Jr. I forgot everyting on the site I had seen and couldn't go back and look at anything because of what was going on in my head. I'm not qualified to comment on site building but if anyone can get past the vids I'm sure Tre would appreciate comments on the site structure regardless of the content.

[Useless]

GG - if a bunch of experienced pornographers saw the video and all said "wow, that's bad", you've got realize that it wasn't run of the mill rough sex. I don't care how slippery the slope may be - some people cross the line and need be punched in the cock. We all have an internal trigger when we view this shit and we have to trust it, whether it goes off because the teen on a site looks too young or the level of violence toward a women is too much or too real.

Now, I never had any intention of making a single reply to this guy's thread because I thought it should have been dumped to the spam forum right from the start. He claims that he wants feedback, but all he really wants is attention brought to the programs new sites. Semi-clever spam.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

GG - if a bunch of experienced pornographers saw the video and all said "wow, that's bad", you've got realize that it wasn't run of the mill rough sex. I don't care how slippery the slope may be - some people cross the line and need be punched in the cock. We all have an internal trigger when we view this shit and we have to trust it, whether it goes off because the teen on a site looks too young or the level of violence toward a women is too much or too real...

Again, I didn't see it, but based on what I read about the slapping & very rough sex, would it have been looked at differently if she was in leather/latex with some rope bondage & instead of being slapped, her ass was being beat red with a horse bridal (sp) that was yielded by a leather clad stud in a Pulp Fiction gimp mask?

That being said, I doubt I'd list a site that had that content on it. LOR now has a "Reviewer Is Not Comfortable With Content" rejection reason for sites with very extreme content. I'm not endorsing this content, just their right to produce it.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...Now, I never had any intention of making a single reply to this guy's thread because I thought it should have been dumped to the spam forum right from the start. He claims that he wants feedback, but all he really wants is attention brought to the programs new sites. Semi-clever spam.

My initial reaction was the same thing until I saw how badly he was being beaten up

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Again, I didn't see it, but based on what I read about the slapping & very rough sex, would it have been looked at differently if she was in leather/latex with some rope bondage & instead of being slapped, her ass was being beat red with a horse bridal (sp) that was yielded by a leather clad stud in a Pulp Fiction gimp mask?

Actually, no I don't think it would have been taken any differently. While it's probably known that I'm more picky about this kind of content than many, this stuff was really bad. It didn't look consentual...hell, the girl was crying and appeared to want it to stop

[Jim]

It must be a different movie now because I didn't see anything that would trigger the more moral pornographers to chime in. And, everyone knows how I feel about consenting adults doing what they feel comes naturally to them.

As long as a site is legal and the adults participating in whatever they happen to do, I don't see a thing wrong with it.

Speaking of which...my wife tells me she tried to sleep assault me last night but I had taken a xanax before bed. It didn't work out too well for her.

As for being beat up, my very first girlfriend that actually had sex with me, turned out to be a little too kinky for me. It started with wanting to be fisted and soon went to "slap my face" and then, "harder, harder". I had to give up my very first sexual girlfriend. Some people just like pain during sex...what can you do? And, I would guess that it would convert very well with the right people.

[Simon]

First, I did like the grunge look of the tour.

Second...

There are very, very few video makers out there who can shoot something that absolutely appears non-consensual but know how to include the minutes of lead in and lead out that leaves you feeling like that you didn't just watch a crime in progress.

Unfortunately, this clip wasn't an example of one of those. Maybe if we saw the entire video it would be different, but from what I watched last night, before it went 404, I'd guess that it would only be more of the same.

I could say a lot in this thread about "consensual non-consent" and how we sometimes play out these scenes in the bdsm lifestyles. But that's not the point here. There are a lot of scenes I've been involved in which I'd never want to see on film. Some things just don't translate well to the screen, and in today's political climate it's a risky choice to include what will be perceived as violence against women even by experienced, professional adult webmasters.

I'd like to live in a world where as long as there's a document somewhere attesting to the age and the consent of all parties in a scene, then it's fine to show them doing just about anything that's legal. Unfortunately we're very far from that world.

[emmanuelle]

'Consenting adults' is a pretty subjective term. I can't tell you how many models give their 'consent' by signing a model release before a shoot, then have the shoot take a whole new turn than they had expected, or been led to expect. By that time, the girl just tells herself that she's already started, and only a couple of hours away from the promised payout, and grits her teeth. Even by the time she signs a closing addendum, she's not going to refuse to say what they want her to, when her paycheck is still in the producer's hand.

In far too many cases, she needs that payout more than she needs her dignity and self respect. Maybe she needs to pay her rent. Maybe she needs to hand it over to her 'boyfriend' to make him happy and avoid a confrontation that night. Maybe she needs a fix (and help), maybe she needs milk for her child.

'Needing' this check constitutes a certain level of duress, or at the very minimum, pressure to perform. Very few of these young women (or men) have the inner strength to stand up and walk out the door without that money. It's easier to continue than to say no sometimes.

While I agree that as an industry we need to protect ourselves by not tolerating producers who push the envelope repeatedly; industry aside, do we not have moral and ethical responsibilities as well? What goes on between two truly consenting adults behind closed doors cannot begin to compare with the situation on a set where money, strangers and apathy are involved. Just what kind of message are we sending to society by glamourizing violence against women and men. We love to bitch about the double standards in the regulation of violence vs the regulation of porn, yet we condone and even promote it.

I will be the first to admit that I think models can be a pain in the ass, and sometimes deserve their position at the bottom of the food chain in this industry. Without them though, we are all nothing. We need our models to be treated with dignity and respect so that in turn maybe they will treat themselves with the same. This can only be good for everyone.