What do you think about these?

[sue-fl]

Originally Posted by Simon

I could say a lot in this thread about "consensual non-consent" and how we sometimes play out these scenes in the bdsm lifestyles. But that's not the point here. There are a lot of scenes I've been involved in which I'd never want to see on film. Some things just don't translate well to the screen, and in today's political climate it's a risky choice to include what will be perceived as violence against women even by experienced, professional adult webmasters.

I'd like to live in a world where as long as there's a document somewhere attesting to the age and the consent of all parties in a scene, then it's fine to show them doing just about anything that's legal. Unfortunately we're very far from that world.

Thanks Simon, I love it when someone posts along the same lines as I'm thinking. And posts it so well

I did not see the video it was 404 on me also. I can think of quite a few scenes between my husband and I that would come across as totally opposite as what they are meant to be. Which may look painful or degrading to women but that is not the case at all it's all consensual.

Oh and I like the design and think it fits well with the content!

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Simon

...There are very, very few video makers out there who can shoot something that absolutely appears non-consensual but know how to include the minutes of lead in and lead out that leaves you feeling like that you didn't just watch a crime in progress...

I thought abot that while reading this thread last night & this morning & it is a very good point - I know I feel a sense of relief when I see those scenes, especially the after clips where everyone is smiling & happy.

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

...while I agree that as an industry we need to protect ourselves by not tolerating producers who push the envelope repeatedly; industry aside, do we not have moral and ethical responsibilities as well? What goes on between two truly consenting adults behind closed doors cannot begin to compare with the situation on a set where money, strangers and apathy are involved....

Why not?

And who draws the line & where do they draw it?

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Does everyone realize that we could have this exact same conversation with INSERT NICHE HERE THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE OR UNDERSTAND?

[DangerDave]

Originally Posted by Greenie

And who draws the line & where do they draw it?

GG, you don't promote Sc@t? Why is that?

DD

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

GG, you don't promote Sc@t? Why is that?

DD

There's a lot of material that I am not comfortable with - some I do promote & some I don't. I could care less if two people enjoy shitting or pissing to slapping or whipping or spitting or clamping or binding or sitting or bleeding to or on each other. But they do have the right to do it

Do you enjoy gay sex?

[MrYum]

Upon further review...and with a cooler head. (That vid really did piss me off...probably shouldn't have let it)

First off, a sincere thanks to those that posted their views in this thread. It did get me to step back from the initial anger and realize there are some women who genuinely enjoy and consent to that treatment.

While I personally still find that kind of behavior towards women reprehensible, that's my bag. If someone enjoys that at home...more power to em.

I suppose if the girl had come out at the end of the clip and said...'hey stud thanks for smacking me around and choking me', I 'might' have viewed it differently.

That said, I still think it's an absolutely horrible idea to be putting content like that online in todays legal environment...as it really plays into the hands of the right wing