Are These New Piece Of Shit Options Now Standard In NATS?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by DamnQ

....DO SOME INVESTIGATION & DISCOVER THE PROBLEM...

I think you're missing the point here as well - a lot of us have done our own investigating & most (if not all) of the time, the problem involves a program using NATS.

If most of us see that our ratios & income drop when a program moves to NATS......

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I think you're missing the point here as well - a lot of us have done our own investigating & most (if not all) of the time, the problem involves a program using NATS.

If most of us see that our ratios & income drop when a program moves to NATS......

Whether it's the software itself, or the room for fucking up the software allows, the trend still forces a decision.

[shunga]

Originally Posted by Greenie

If most of us see that our ratios & income drop when a program moves to NATS......

GG, the point is, most affiliates using NATS *can't* see a real drop in ratios, otherwise NATS would be a dead duck, and it would have been a dead duck long ago.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by shunga

GG, the point is, most affiliates using NATS *can't* see a real drop in ratios, otherwise NATS would be a dead duck, and it would have been a dead duck long ago.

You wanna read thru this thread again, especially the posts by Danger Dave & Preacher.

I do have a stats run of 20 NATS programs with pre & post totals, but I'm waiting on one more person to get me their stats before I post it.

[shunga]

Originally Posted by Greenie

You wanna read thru this thread again, especially the posts by Danger Dave & Preacher.

I do have a stats run of 20 NATS programs with pre & post totals, but I'm waiting on one more person to get me their stats before I post it.

The point remains that if ratios were so bad across the board, NATS would not be as used as it is. And it isn't popular with sponsors because it gives them tools to shave affiliates, either.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by shunga

The point remains that if ratios were so bad across the board, NATS would not be as used as it is. And it isn't popular with sponsors because it gives them tools to shave affiliates, either.

I agree. Affiliates are all just a bunch of ignorant, whining wannabees with nothing better to do than bitch and moan. NATS is perfect and sponsors would never even consider shaving. You heard it from me first.

[shunga]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I agree. Affiliates are all just a bunch of ignorant, whining wannabees with nothing better to do than bitch and moan. NATS is perfect and sponsors would never even consider shaving. You heard it from me first.

Well, I don't know how you could agree with something I never said, but aside from that, I don't think NATS is perfect, and neither do I think CCBill are perfect. What I would like to see is more constructive input to address issues and concerns. That would benefit everyone.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by shunga

The point remains that if ratios were so bad across the board, NATS would not be as used as it is. And it isn't popular with sponsors because it gives them tools to shave affiliates, either.

Youre right - its not popular because of that - its popular because its cheap - any idiot can start a program using it without ever doing any programming on the back end(which unfortunately a lot do)
Also - comparing it to ccbill isnt a real comparison tool as they are two different things - while ccbill does give a few tools to look at it is not an an affilate program software standalone - it is a processor that gives a few tools and thats it - apples and oranges.
As far as the shaving - while it may not have anything built in - any monkey programmer can take care of that pretty easily - just like any other program out there - not saying its the programs fault - its just people are people - and if it can be done they are going to do it.

Ya know a long time ago someone in this industry (I think it was around 1999 or so) called me on the phone cause I had made a post at another board about one program back then that I had caught shaving - and he said real simple - why point out just one program? - they all shave - you just have to figure out how much and figure that into your biz model