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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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In the case of snizzshare, I still find it hard to believe that someone that has a very popular Link List would encourage surfers to go to sites that are not in the same business model. |
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
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Don't get me wrong, I love linklists. There is a lot of great things about them. The recip links used to work wonders with the search engines and still do to some degree. The traffic filtering is great. Making the surfers work a little harder to get to the porn is great. However, ther fact is: Younger surfers are going to gravitate toward Web 2.0 type things that they know and, I fear, over time - linklists will just be the dirty magizine in their dad's closet. I, myself, would rather ride the crest of a wave than paddle feverishly trying to catch up.
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
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Internet! Is that thing still around?
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Wow this is some post!
I have to say, I support "responsible" tube sites. Allowing user-uploaded & non-2257'd content is not responsible.
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I want to set the record straight - I thought the cop was a prostitute
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I run wanktube.com and let me make a few comments.....
-It has been up for many months and traffic growth has been ... well amazing. Surfers want community based content on demand sites. Youtube and myspace aren't huge without reason. -We kill all videos that generate complaints even if we feel they are legit. -I took on expensive legal advice before starting this site, and we are not breaking any laws. -Ratios on wanktube have been better than any linklist traffic I have ever had, better than any tgp traffic I have ever had, and I even get better ratios that my ppc traffic. In a perfect world i would love to see little free content. I would love to go back to the days where we could throw up 20 poor quality free pics and rake in the sales, but unfortunately guys we are in a different era. We either adapt or die.
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Funny, some of these responses.
Anyway, I voted that I'm split on the issue. As a sponsor I obviously am not happy with the idea of buttloads of our video content being "shared" for free and on sites with heavy (and often unscrupulous) advertising or of having to compete with so much free porn, but we've had to resign ourselves to that being the reality and make sure that memberships provide content that surfers canNOT get for free (live cams, interaction, easy access to full archives, frequent updates, etc.). I've no idea why Useless thinks that sponsors don't already find their content used CONSTANTLY on sites with competing advertisements. We do, and we often pay upwards of 50% in sales to affiliates for putting it there (in blogs, review sites, picposts . . . pretty much everywhere unless someone uses our hosted promos).
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Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once
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I haven't read this thread but here are some of my off-the-cuff thoughts on why I'm against this:
1) There will NEVER be an adult version of YouTube. Unless you're talking about your neighbor videotaping himself and his wife go at it and uploading it for the world to see, what we have going on right now is not and never will be an adult version of YouTube. 2) The only site that gains from the traffic is the video hosting site. Submitters send them traffic that will never come back and paysite owners lose sales by helping create a site no one has to pay for.
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I want to set the record straight - I thought the cop was a prostitute
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The vast majority of us (and I am guilty as charged) depend on business models which fail to recognize these differences at all. That, if you like, is Web 1.0. The Emperor's Clothes are beginning to look decidely translucent, even for the minority who execute their chosen business models well, because supply and demand are closing and because Web 2.0 is moving in. Web 2.0 - in online porn terms - isn't only represented by adult versions of YouTube and MySpace, but also by torrent sites and sites such as "I Shot Myself" and "Suicide Girls". The internet is about interactivity. Interactivity between individuals and also interactivity between customer and product. If I order books from Amazon, the site will in future suggest books I might enjoy. If I rate movies at Netflix, other movies I might like are displayed. Interactivity on adult sites is largely restricted to dating and webcams, but the success of both those areas should be telling us something. Another consideration is that there are two fundamental marketing models in any kind of business: low-margin/high-volume and high-margin/low-volume. Ford vs Ferrari. These are not arbitrary choices dictated by producers/sellers (although some, such as champagne producers and diamond merchants, restrict their product to keep prices high). They are also a consequence of market reaction: while some people will buy PC's from independent stores and pay a higher price for the extra service and attention they perceive, most are willing to buy boxes as cheaply as possible. Online porn, by the very nature of the internet, should be a high-volume/low-margin business. There is a reluctance to accept that, because so many people still influential in the business, have enjoyed unrealistically high margins and obviously do not want to let them go. They are dwindling anyway, the snag is that the customer isn't seeing much benefit because increasing cost-of-sales and static/declining volumes are getting in the way. Affiliates are paid too much. Never mind newbie webmasters, most of whom begin with no relevant skills whatsoever. We have hundreds of "experienced" webmasters who have no more real skills or business knowledge than the day they started. Sure they learn how to improve their chances of getting a free-site listed in a links list or they buy a script and find out how to avoid the worst pitfalls of traffic trading. But mostly all they bring to the table is labor and labor is a cheap commodity. In a mature market the average affiliate would be damn lucky to make even $20 an hour. Agree or disagree, what does this have to do with free porn? In the 90's there were millions of people coming onto the internet, most of whom didn't even have easy, embarassment-free access to anything raunchier than H*stler. For a while at least, there wasn't a lot of free porn available except to the denizens of news groups, and most of what there was, was crap. Surely paysites and AVS programs offered more? They rarely did, but the hope produced a goldrush. Over the past 10 years we have done an excellent job of educating people that 9 times out of 10, sites will take their money and barely attempt to deliver what was promised, let alone anything substantially better than can be had for free. At the same time, the amount of free content has rocketed and the sites delivering it have become far easier to locate and use. If all you want to do is see pics of naked women or watch a movie of people f*cking, why pay for it is a very valid question. But we cannot put the lid back on free porn even if we want to. The problem anyway is not free porn per se, but the ridiculous idea that once people have checked to see what all the fuss is about, more than a relatively tiny percentage of the total will be willing to pay $30, $40 and even $50 a month to see more of the same. People will not pay for a Ferrari and be satisfied if they are delivered a Ford. That message has been delivered loud and clear in every market out there, yet somehow we still ignore it. Essentially we deliver what is cheap and easy for us to deliver and offer it at the prices we want to charge, not the prices that a mature market will bear. We are still, to an extent getting away with it, solely because it might be another 5 years before supply and demand are fully equalized. The fact remains that we are not adding value. IMO, within 5 years almost all non-interactive porn will be given away and only used to attract traffic. We will see the cost of hiring still photographers and licensing DVD's as no different than other industries view their marketing costs. We shall focus almost entirely on selling interactivity, with just a few specialist sites and those which genuinely deliver ease-of-use and top-quality content, able to charge for anything else. That interactivity will include live video, but we shall move away from bored models charged at high rates per hour, sitting idle for hours at a time, to something which Mr. Average can afford on a regular basis and we will present it imaginatively enough for him to want to do so. Solo models are also here to stay: not the kind of sites for which someone shot a couple of years' updates in a weekend, but the ones with real interaction between models and visitors. Nor is there any reason that principle needs to be restricted to solo models... Above all, we will be seeing Web 2.0 sites (btw I hate the term and a lot of it is marketing hype, but it is convenient shorthand) which let surfers interact with each other as well as the content. Adult dating sites will blur into adult community sites, some with a broad appeal and others much more specific. We shall effectively make content sharing legal, because instead of kidding ourselves we can shut it out, we will make it easy for members to share the content we are no longer trying to monetize. That will become just another aspect of interactivity. The lines will also blur between affiliate sites and sponsor sites because with both heading towards the community model and both giving a lot away, outwardly they will look very similar. That is also what will effectively raise the entry bar for new webmasters. It never can cost more than the price of a PC and an internet connection to want to be an adult webmaster, but the knowledge and investment needed to build sites with the potential to earn serious money in future, will increase dramatically. At the risk of getting even further off topic, I think we shall see other changes in the sponsor-affiliate relationship. Payments will more often become related to volume but also there will be more discrimination. The shotgun approach to attracting affiliates is increasingly expensive and less productive and even though many affiliates earn little or nothing for the majority of sponsors, their existence makes life more difficult for productive affiliates. So just as in other industries, we are going to see the top names becoming much more selective about their affiliates, both to reduce recruitment costs and to encourage those who can generate volume to join them on the promise of less competition. New webmasters will have to settle for new or otherwise struggling programs. More of the money now being spent on newbie recruitment, shows, etc., is going to go instead on affiliate development and practical support, because sponsors need to start taking control of their businesses, instead of merely hoping that a high profile will produce results. I haven't looked at the poll, but I would guess that 80%+ are opposed to adult versions of YouTube. If you want to be making money 5-10 years from now, instead of opposing YouTube, you should be embracing it and whatever is going to be coming next. The Web 2.0 developments of the past few years are just the beginning... |
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A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one!
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check out my new system
I make my blog post like this http://www.adailyfix.com/index.php/2...-the-foursome/ then instead of embedding a movie into the blog post, I started a tube site that I upload movie to, so you see an image like this  you click it and get taken to my tube site http://www.previewtheporn.com/view_v...5687be6106a3b8 so, basically I am getting my blog rolling, but also getting some traffic to the tube site....I am not allowing registration or any features to surfers, just view the video and that is it...and I am the only one that can upload videos is this an approved way of doing things? btw, the tube site is not completely done yet, i still gotta get it designed and themed and shit
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I do a lot of mainstream work and I am paid a fraction of what I am paid in adult. However the payouts to affiliates will only tone down once we manage to cut affiliates out of the business. This is a process which has already been started and the people who insert themselves between traffic sources and sponsors are becoming fewer and fewer.
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jayeff - I read your book...twice. Aside from my feeling that you could have made the same post 5 years ago, what'd you vote for in the poll?
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Every developing industry goes through the same phases. Those phases vary in length from one industry to the next and the signs saying hey, this is where we are now, are also different. But the direction and destination is ultimately the same. Market forces are implacable. That reality is what makes possible the study of subjects such as economics and business management. It's why accountants and stock analysts are able to determine the health of individual businesses. That may seem like an abstract consideration, but it isn't. It really doesn't matter where a train is when you get on it, nor which stations it will pass through en route. But to be wearing the right clothes when it reaches its destination, you need to know whether it is going to Florida or Alaska. There are lots of ways to make money and those with a talent for spotting bandwagons early and knowing when to jump off, can do very nicely by constantly operating short-term, as it were. But the internet is already demonstrating that as always, the really serious money is earned by those who anticipate future bandwagons. No-one could have forecast specifically that there would be a YouTube or a MySpace, but the nature of the internet in particular and business/marketing in general, dictated that there had to be something like them. Whether we welcome them or oppose them is irrelevant. They simply are. |
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Great question my friend but THEY would NOT exist if we didn't have the balls to be like Sinatra and do it our way. We did an it worked! Hell, Toyota sold more cars than GM last quarter because they refined their product. Fair competition is a good thing and though I c the point, to oppose anything on the web (save the obvious kid stuff which is as evil as brown corduroy) opposing any competition may inspire others to oppose US. And, Oh ya', keep in mind...we are really good @ what we do.
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Whoever u r, I like your argument!
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I didn't put my point very well before and it came off a little wrong. What I am suggesting is that the middle man is being cut out. Its the site owners with their traffic who are increasingly going straight to the sponsor, giving less traffic out to others for free, or asking submitters to start paying for a piece of the pie. Anyhow I am straying off topic ... sorry
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I think the threat is that most content you see on a paysite you can find free around the net anyway because 90% of it is plugged in.
Pick out any themed paysite and it will be exactly the same as any other only it will look different. To compete with free porn offer something more unique that people can't get for free. |
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