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[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Even more important (if you offer rev share): Keep the sponsors once they convert. I have dropped several sponsors simply because they rarely manage to keep members beyond the first rebill (two things I think are the biggest causes of this: 1. The site is not as good as it looks from the tour. 2. Too few updates.

That is a big one too. In general if I see they do not rebill but they offer PPS (at least $25, but preferably $30 - $35) I will just switch to PPS and let them worry about the rebills. But not all sponsors offer PPS.

I recently started promoting some microniches and of course ran into many CCbill sponsors who are kind of small. They offer only revshare. Well I am seeing a 5% rebill rate. Average commission is about $14 per sale. So I look at this and I realize, "Hey. If these guys offered $30 PPS, I would be doubling my money." That is quite a difference in pocket change there for doing nothing different. If one or two of these guys switched to a reasonable PPS -- even $25 -- I would put their links at the top of the list in a heartbeat. A 5% rebill rate is totally unacceptable and I want to be able to get right around $30 average for each signup sent or I feel I am pissing away money.

(The above is a good hint for struggling newbies too I think. Sometimes watching this stuff and acting on it can mean more profit. In my case I could potentially double my money with a sponsor by switching to PPS - if it were available. Likewise sometimes with a sponsor that rebills well, you could do better by going revshare. But you have to keep track of the numbers first. )

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

....They offer only revshare. Well I am seeing a 5% rebill rate. Average commission is about $14 per sale. So I look at this and I realize, "Hey. If these guys offered $30 PPS, I would be doubling my money."......

I find that a GOOD rev share program ALWAYS makes more money than a good PPS program. So if I get a rev share sponsor who is not keeping members, I don't say "I can double my money using their PPS option", I say "I can QUADRUPLE my money by changing to a DIFFERENT sponsor who has a rev share program with good retention"

However, (info for "struggling newbies"):

1. Always remember, it could be your fault. If you are over selling a site (making it sound better than it is) people will join, then leave without re-billing (or worse, do a charge back).

2. If the problem is that you are over selling a site, switching to rev share is only a temporary fix. When the surfers you send do not re-bill, the sponsor will look at your site and either switch you to rev share, or simply cut you off (or shave your stats).

3. Speaking of shaving, if you are selling via rev share, and you see that you would be better off on PPS, do you really think your sponsor won't shave your sales? (Think about it, they charge $39.99 per sale, send you $35, costs are more than $5, so if they don't get re-bills they loose money. Sponsors are no stupid, at least those still in business aren't, if they are going to loose money on every sale you make, then they are not going to pay you for every sale you make.)

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by ecchi

I find that a GOOD rev share program ALWAYS makes more money than a good PPS program. So if I get a rev share sponsor who is not keeping members, I don't say "I can double my money using their PPS option", I say "I can QUADRUPLE my money by changing to a DIFFERENT sponsor who has a rev share program with good retention"

Unfortunately it is one of those micro niches where most sponsors run ccbill programs and none of them rebill too hot. But otherwise you are right, if the revshare program is good and you can trust them.

However, (info for "struggling newbies"):

1. Always remember, it could be your fault. If you are over selling a site (making it sound better than it is) people will join, then leave without re-billing (or worse, do a charge back).

2. If the problem is that you are over selling a site, switching to rev share is only a temporary fix. When the surfers you send do not re-bill, the sponsor will look at your site and either switch you to rev share, or simply cut you off (or shave your stats).

3. Speaking of shaving, if you are selling via rev share, and you see that you would be better off on PPS, do you really think your sponsor won't shave your sales? (Think about it, they charge $39.99 per sale, send you $35, costs are more than $5, so if they don't get re-bills they loose money. Sponsors are no stupid, at least those still in business aren't, if they are going to loose money on every sale you make, then they are not going to pay you for every sale you make.)

Good tips but if the sponsor would shave under any circumstances it is best to jump ship, period. When times get tough (like now) who do you think they will screw with in order to keep a bottomline? I don't want that. There are so many ways sponsors can screw affiliates (including with rebills) that trust is extremely important. I have seen quite a few that made certain sites revshare only while making other sites PPS only....and often times that says a lot right there (they realize which sites rebill well and are profitable on PPS for them and which ones aren't).

If they shave it isn't my fault. It is theres. As an example, for the ccbill programs in question most of the signups come from simple text links with the name of the site (little other sponsor specifc promotion other than hosted galleries). If they are thinking something is there that is not, then it is the sponsors fault entirely, not mine in that case.

Once they leave my site as long as I haven't promised them things which aren't true or am committing some sort of fraud, anything that happens from there is on the sponsor to me.