Why now baned?

[Fonz]

Originally posted by skygsi

Or evere week change hosting becose someone see every where cheaters?
U a crazy?
Why good webmasters have so much trouble?

Most of us are the same host for years now. And guess what, no rape, incest or KP on those hosts.. try to connect the dots...

Maxline, your sites will still get listed.

[Tommy]

AdvancedHosters
your lying, its easy to tell who the cheaters are

the guys that ask for ip numbers, the guys that run nameserver scripts

I am sure you know but just dont care in fact after your posts I am postive of it

and banning your host does make a HUGE difference in cheaters

WEBMASTERS if your an hosnest webmaster and on one of these hosting companys ... your not getting listed ...and I mean anywhere ...and by paying these people you make yourself part of the problem
MOVE to another host ASAP

TGP - LL OWNERS
if you listing these 2 hosts your getting fucked. Block their ip ranges and your cheaters will drop


Hows that for cooperation

[koolkat]

While I am just getting back in the links game and haven't had the opportunity to get spammed yet with all these submissions, I figured I'd add my input to this.
From the submitters point, I understand that you don't have much control over what content other people on the same webhost host.
From the LL owners, I can see where getting a bunch of crap submission can get frustrating. It is hard enough to go through the legitimate traffic, let alone the mass of crap as well.

Unfortunatly, for the submitters, I have to side with the LL owners here. I have been using different webhosts for about 10 years now, and I have never been on one which would allow content such as rape, incest, kiddie porn, etc. If I found out they did, then I would be transferring my sites as quickly as possible, because I would hate to have someone say... "Hey, look at KoolKat, he hosts on that host that just got busted for hosting child porn, maybe he is doing it too!". For any host to condone it in the first place is a major issue! After all, they do have to set the accounts up, so seeing something like rape or incest in the URL should be a red flag!
I know there are a lot of legitimate hard working webmasters out there, but unfortunatly these bad ones are making it hard on you. You need to look out for yourself.
There are lots of legitimate web hosts out there that will allow adult content, and web hosting costs are getting lower and lower, so it isn't that hard to move hosts if needed.
For those of you who have been banned... I'm sure the other LL owners would consider removing you from their banned lists if you simply did what they asked. This is beneficial to everyone! Without the link lists, some of you would get very little traffic, but the link lists also need you, so it's not in their best interest to have to ban people. But in the same breath, there are thousands of webmasters trying to get listed, but a lot small number of lists that send huge amounts of traffic!
Overall submitters... it is in your best interest to listen to what these guys (and gals) are saying. You have the most to loose!

[skygsi]

Tommy say me honest host list.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Tommy
AdvancedHosters
your lying, its easy to tell who the cheaters are

the guys that ask for ip numbers, the guys that run nameserver scripts

I am sure you know but just dont care in fact after your posts I am postive of it

and banning your host does make a HUGE difference in cheaters

WEBMASTERS if your an hosnest webmaster and on one of these hosting companys ... your not getting listed ...and I mean anywhere ...and by paying these people you make yourself part of the problem
MOVE to another host ASAP

TGP - LL OWNERS
if you listing these 2 hosts your getting fucked. Block their ip ranges and your cheaters will drop


Hows that for cooperation

Tommy they can choose to be part of the solution or part of the problem. Clearly they have chosen to be part of the problem!

I join with you in asking others to block their IP ranges, NOW!

[selena]

After reading this thread, I have a question from a somewhat new submitters standpoint.

I believe it is the responsiblity of submitters to make sure they are on hosting services that are legit and respected within the community. I would not build a brick and mortar business in a horrible neighborhood with drive by shootings and crack houses, and then complain about lack of traffic into my store. Nor would I expect a large shiny store in a well-lit downtown area with plenty of foot traffic to want to be affiliated with me.

It's your business, it is your responsibility.

But I do understand the frustration on the part of honest submitters.

My question is this...how does a submitter...especially if they are new to the business...check on a host? I mean, I just stumbled onto Webair, and they have been great. But what if they weren't? How would I have known if they had all kinds of nefarious business practices? Especially since I knew zero about choose an adult host.

I know there is someplace you can go and see if a domain is banned, but is there a place you can see a list of hosts that are frowned upon in the adult community?

Can't you (meaning leading LL and TGP owners) establish some type of database or list of banned hosts, and link to it off your submit page? You wouldn't have to have an appeal process, just a simple listing. IE "Host XYZ banned by Link O Rama on 10/5/04 for hosting of questionable domains" or "Host TER banned by Tommy's on 10/7/03 for hosting redirect sites"

By doing that, you'd be offering a great service to honest webmasters who *want* to make sure they do everything to improve their chance of listings, including making the correct hosting decision. It would also give honest hosts a place to see what is going on on their servers that they might have missed.

Sure, you'd be making the information available to cheaters as well, and that might be a problem. I really don't know what kind of scripts or tools a host has available to keep less desirables from hosting on their servers. So the cheaters might well move to a now-respectable host, and ruin their reputation within the community. Or perhaps the host has every tool available to know these things, and can keep out cheaters.

And I know you guys/gals already have plenty to do. But you can't ban entire hosts often enough for it to be a major drag on your time. You'd just decide to institute the ban, would add it to the community list, and be done with it. No arguements, no why, just a "because I said so, here is the information, use it as you see fit" type of deal.

Just a thought or two from my not-awake-mind, and one that sympathises with both the owners, and the legit submitters.

[Ales]

My domen baned too! Tath's very kind of you!
I have stopped submit to some linksadmin LLs.

[swedguy]

Originally posted by selena
but is there a place you can see a list of hosts that are frowned upon in the adult community?

If a newbie has got that far that he want to submit to LL's and found LL's to submit, then it's probably very likely that he has found some webmaster boards.
Doing some research on the host you are looking into on couple of the biggest boards will give you a pretty good idea on who you are about to deal with.
If they don't find any good answers, it's just for them to post and ask what people think about hosting XYZ

[ponygirl]

This has been a particularly interesting thread, & I just had to get my 2 newbie cents in...

I found my hosting by looking at the recommendations from a respected board, and seeing which long time posters used that particular hosting service. It's easy to get good advice if you make sure you're getting it from trusted sources.

To me this is a business, and with any business, it is your responsibility to research it enough to make it work for you.

There is enough of an aura of "illegitimacy" about this business without others bringing it down even more, and honest people are just trying to make a living.

[koolkat]

Originally posted by selena
I know there is someplace you can go and see if a domain is banned, but is there a place you can see a list of hosts that are frowned upon in the adult community?

I don't think there is a specific place, but a lot of times the LL owners will place in their rules if a specific host is banned and will never stand a chance to be listed.

[RawAlex]

The biggest problem really comes down to organized groups of people who actively attempt to work to intentionally defraud link sites in order to obtain maximum traffic directly to their sponsors (or scams, depending on the person).

Even faced with the banning of a host, they will move elsewhere and do it again.

We cannot stop them from trying - we can just make it hard to do business, and make it hard for those hosts to stay in business when their honest clients leave them and move to cleaner hosting.

Alex

[DangerDave]

Originally posted by CelticTiger
Spot on DD. BTW DangerDave can you say if you're pleased with your choice on taking only partner only submissions? Has it decreased your workload significantly?

Without question my workload has decreased and in short I don't have to deal with cheaters, multi submitters, idiots, or fools at all.

Some people keep asking why I haven't opened up submissions again to the public... and this thread is the best argument.


Selena, we are not going to supply a lot of that information in public, as it only tells the "cheats" what we are up to. In order to stay on top of them we need to keep many things between ourselves.


Tommy is right when he says hosts are to blame for a lot of the crap. Hosts taking responsibility for the people they host breaking their own AUP/T+C, and not going outof their way to help cheats would be the simplest and quickest solution to all these problems.

There are plenty of hosts that aren't russian or eastern european, that can -and will - get themsleves banned before to long.

Webair is a decent host... BUT have a look at the "stolen domain" threads, or the big SE spammer s threads and see where the domains in question are hosted?

Conepuppy/Cyberwurx now hosts a number of domains stolen from legit webmasters, and a number of large spammers... yet their dont bother answering their abuse emails?

No host is without scammers... it is how they deal with them that is the thing that separates them from the "good" hosts...

DD

[Fonz]

Originally posted by Ales
My domen baned too! Tath's very kind of you!
I have stopped submit to some linksadmin LLs.

Maybe you should read this thread first
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=11604

[Greenguy]

Reading this thread gives me an uncontrolable urge to post on non-english speaking boards

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Reading this thread gives me an uncontrolable urge to post on non-english speaking boards

You too? I thought it was just me

[Tommy]

I would like to make it ABSOLUTLY clear when we are talking about cheaters

we are talking about viruses and spyware mostly trojans and of course geo dialers

this is not about crappy submits or 4 ads on a page or consoles
or removing recips or any of that small time bullshit

this stuff fucks up computers and when a surfer gets a virus from a tgp or LL they are never going back there

[koolkat]

Originally posted by Tommy
I would like to make it ABSOLUTLY clear when we are talking about cheaters

we are talking about viruses and spyware mostly trojans and of course geo dialers

this is not about crappy submits or 4 ads on a page or consoles
or removing recips or any of that small time bullshit

this stuff fucks up computers and when a surfer gets a virus from a tgp or LL they are never going back there

I am so glad for SP2 for Windows XP since it blocks this shit, and you can automatically tell that someone is trying to download stuff to your computer. You don't have to go through that pop up hell anymore trying to get the crap to close!

[Iceworld]

TO GG If YOU baned my domans, may I delete your recip links on all my free sites? What for to have your links on cheater host?

[Surfn]

He's asleep for the next several hours, but when he does get to the board he will probably say "Sure go ahead".

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Iceworld
TO GG If YOU baned my domans, may I delete your recip links on all my free sites? What for to have your links on cheater host?

Yes, you can extract all connections to me if you you want k.

[Cleo]

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[Iceworld]

I don't understand what is "if you you want k."
I do it only, after you delete my sites.

[Tornado]

Good Morning Sirs

I’m a CEO of hqhost hosting company. Will reply everyone and try to explain our company’s point of view. Please strive to read this letter up to its end and to give a sound reply.

As it was mentioned before our company is the largest one in Russian market segment. Main activity direction is a cooperation with russian customers but in spite of it there is a great number of foreign ones among them. Moreover our company is an owner of some more Hosting brands developing separately from hqhost. Our offices are located in three countries. Staff total number consists 30 persons. But along with capacity extension, decrease in price, support updating and other positive growth moments there are some negative ones. During last three years I’ve been regularly getting a large amount of complaints as for the sites content located on our servers. Someone cheats someone, someone starts to mail spam, someone locates banned material, someone installs trojans, someone cheats traffic and so on. It’s a negative growth side. The more growth is the more number of those who wish to earn money without any additional effort is. In other words the more ranges are the more variety of chaters is. Would like to note all our customers have identical nameservers. It means from the very beginning we were dependent on customers negative influence. It was our fundamental position. We have never created hundreds of DNS servers and at the same time have never strived to minimize cheaters visibility and keep them back in great quantity of nameservers and brands.

Maybe our trustfulness is our fault. But I don’t think so.

Dear Sirs,
Our conditions contain a ban at some particular things according to US laws. We undeviatingly obey them and react in case of some troubles emergence during one hour!!! I’D LIKE TO EMPHISIZE IT! Only a few US companies may boast of such a lawfullness. Most of serious US companies mail auto responds such as “bla bla bla we’re so busy and don’t disturb us”. I have a great experience of dealing with such negligent companies. I’ve never got any letter from dear GG, Tommy, Cleo. It’s quite possible I don’t remember exactly but probably there were no complaints from you. You know it’s so easy to yell you confront with a great variety of cheaters all the time; it’s so simple to blame someone for your personal fault. Is it so difficult for you to write a letter or to communicate by ICQ or to delete those things you consider as illegal ones? If some day you’ll have a deal with us further we’ll certainly settle all problems together.

Recently some customers have got into touch with me. They’ve said have been honestly working for many years; have been spending money for content, design, support/promotion. They ‘re consider you ‘re their business partners. Neither employers nor the “milch cow” but exactly your partners! They install links on your lists at the same time increasing your SE rating in this way. They’re making your surfers more loyal prompting them to use your service time and again. Certainly I talk about honest webmasters.

I understand all these actions are only for money earning. Unfortunately nowadays money is the only value for most people. But I think it’s absolutely wrong position. Many of your webmasters consider you are if not a friend but your business partner then. You’ve simply outraged their attitude and work. Your motivation was: “it’s my business so I’m a unique master of all the situation”. Maybe my mentality doesn’t allow me to understand the actual state of affairs; maybe my previous business experience testifies it’s a some kind of nonsense. It’s quite difficult to give a simple answer. One thing is clear to me: your behavior doesn’t honour you.

Now I’d like to discuss struggle methods with different kinds of cheaters; which way you can be saved from them in. Would like to notify the following: hosting ban, IP range ban, domains registrar ban, outgoing Ip and mail ban – all these methods are not productive at all. It means you spend time at ban installation but next day the same people compel you to do the same thing. You should buy domain. Is it a real problem nowadays? You should buy new hosting, new IP, proxy or VPN. Is it a great problem for you? Many of cheaters act in this way.
You’ll never settle your problem by such wrong methods. The only possible result will be the following: their troubles which will not pay your personal damages.
I’d like to emphasize: using unprodactive ban methods you are simply saved from some quantity of loyal webmasters. In other words many of honest masters have just gave up on your LL. Many of them will find a new hosting (it’s quite possible in our company – will choose new brand).
But I’m absolutely sure: none of cheaters will be done away. All of them will just remove to other unoccupied IP addresses. My advices are very accessible in realization. You can settle 99,9% of your problems by them.

1. Put telephone number in partners registration form. After registration dial this number and ask is there such a person really.
2. Put data about Credit Card in partner registration form. It may be start up fee or something else. $3-$5 for partner identification by credit card. 3. Two previous items can’t guarantee you a full satisfaction from your partner content and his methods of work. So you should to look through some part of sites. But their number will be rather lesser.

Moreover we can be your partners and can help you to expose cheaters. Towards this end you may use our hardware. Anyway we’re ready to offer you our support and profitable cooperation.

Many people have said hosting company is personally responsible for its customers. It’s quite possible in some separate cases but unfortunately it’s quite hard to realize. It takes a great number of server resourses to scan, for example, 80 G html at one word presence. The more banned words are the more server load is. But there is some thing to do in such a situation. It’s a technical way which we’ll strive to launch. It will be our share for common business.

I've heard only favourable reports about you. I'm sure we can settle any problem together. Hope some day when you'll see
ns0.hqhost.net
ns1.hqhost.net
You won't check galleries at all but will put in your list straight away.

All URL appeared in this topic will be tested at legality


Thank You

[Cleo]

I'm sorry but I didn't bother reading your post since I'm not a Sir and your post started off with "Good Morning Sirs".

Maybe now you would like to do a post for the female webmasters?



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[Surfn]

Tornado

Sounds like load of horse shit to me.