Pinging?

[JD]

Could someone tell me all I have to know about pinging in one easy lesson??

So pinging is when you publish a post on WP and it sends out 'pings' to certain sites to let them know your blog is updated yeh?

So I notice some of you guys say to turn off auto pinging in wordpress because you can get banned? Whats all this about, who bans you and why do they do this?

Do I need to turn off pinging on my blogs and manually ping???? And from what i understand now, if I use the post timestamp on wordpress I need to use a spacial ping plugin as wordpress wont ping when it puts those posts live?

thanks guys

[walrus]

Originally Posted by JD

Could someone tell me all I have to know about pinging in one easy lesson??

Maybe

Originally Posted by JD

So pinging is when you publish a post on WP and it sends out 'pings' to certain sites to let them know your blog is updated yeh?

Yep

Originally Posted by JD

So I notice some of you guys say to turn off auto pinging in wordpress because you can get banned? Whats all this about, who bans you and why do they do this?

This isn't something to be concerned about if your just doing a post or two a day. If your going crazy and posting a bunch, the services you ping tend to get a little cranky if you continually ping them before they have a chance to spider your blog and those services may or may not ban you. Or they will consider you a spammer and ban your for that. I have auto-ping enabled and have never had a problem.

Originally Posted by JD

Do I need to turn off pinging on my blogs and manually ping????

Depends on the above and how often you post. I don't know of a limit or if it actually exists but to be on the safe side I would do whatever it takes to ensure I didn't ping more than a few times a day

Originally Posted by JD

And from what i understand now, if I use the post timestamp on wordpress I need to use a spacial ping plugin as wordpress wont ping when it puts those posts live?

I personally wouldn't consider using timestamps on wordpress. There are still just too many issues with it to make it worth attempting, IMHO. I use a third party script to do future posts and since WP pings when a new post is entered into the database I still get things pinged. There was a post not to long ago which listed a number of third party options but I'm too lazy to go looking for it.

But you are correct, you do need a special plugin for pinging from time stamps.

Originally Posted by JD

thanks guys

Your welcome

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by walrus

I personally wouldn't consider using timestamps on wordpress. There are still just too many issues with it to make it worth attempting, IMHO. I use a third party script to do future posts and since WP pings when a new post is entered into the database I still get things pinged. There was a post not to long ago which listed a number of third party options but I'm too lazy to go looking for it.

You mean this?

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=36724

Reply #10

[walrus]

Originally Posted by virgohippy

You mean this?

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=36724

Reply #10

That would be the one!

[johnnybg]

I'm not sure about frequent pinging and bans on pinging services.

That's something I read somewhere and I want to be safe. I prefere to learn from other peoples mistakes, not my own.

I believe that banning frequent pingers is not logical. I mean, ping services are there just to be pinged. I also believe that spammy content will result in a ban. When frequent pings are mixed with spam content then you WILL get in trouble with ping services.

Then again I have no proof for anyting in this matter.

Some sources state that more than half pings from all blogs are so called "spings" or "spam pings". Since it is becoming a big problem I try to stay away from being interpreted as a "spinger".

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by johnnybg

I'm not sure about frequent pinging and bans on pinging services.

That's something I read somewhere and I want to be safe. I prefere to learn from other peoples mistakes, not my own.

I believe that banning frequent pingers is not logical. I mean, ping services are there just to be pinged. I also believe that spammy content will result in a ban. When frequent pings are mixed with spam content then you WILL get in trouble with ping services.

Then again I have no proof for anyting in this matter.

Some sources state that more than half pings from all blogs are so called "spings" or "spam pings". Since it is becoming a big problem I try to stay away from being interpreted as a "spinger".

The services that take pings are automated software, how can they check content? Even SE bots, can not really say what is spammy content. Not to mention, resouces being used or abused by over pinging.

Good content takes time to create. In my mind some one creating tons of content each day, (ping per post) is likely a spammer. Not perfect, but what else is there to go by?

[walrus]

Originally Posted by ronnie

The services that take pings are automated software, how can they check content? Even SE bots, can not really say what is spammy content. Not to mention, resouces being used or abused by over pinging.

Good content takes time to create. In my mind some one creating tons of content each day, (ping per post) is likely a spammer. Not perfect, but what else is there to go by?

Pingoat, one of the larger pinging services does have some type of algo that catchs spam blogs. Don't know how they do it and I know it's not 100% since it used to catch one of my sites that wasn't even adult and had no advertising on it but it's there and even made an API available for other service to use their blacklist.

They've lightened up on things a little bit and as long as your not using an auto-pinger you can get your blogs pinged even if it is spam.

[JD]

Thanks for the posts guys,

So does a ping go off after every post, so thereby if you are making a lot of posts a day, then it would be pinging too much, I think thats what you were getting at?

For update services in WP, I just have http://rpc.pingomatic.com/
What do you guys recommend, changing this setting, adding different ones? Do you guys have something different in there.

Walrus:
Ive been following your advice and writing down on paper notes etc., and I have noted I wont use that time stamp thing on wordpress due to the reasons you outlined. I have been thinking about that program you posted, and its one of those pages that I've seen heaps of times, the one page infomercial type thingy. Ive seen about a dozen of these kinds of pages all with different blog type programs and I didnt really know if they would be worthwhile, as they all look similiar. So did you find that yours was worth the hundred bucks nearly asking price? Does it do many other things besides just the remote posting?

Have you guys tried the email posting from wordpress thats built in?

The bottom line is, I dont want to login to multiple blogs and post in the wordpress interface, would rather, spend a day a week setting up my posts for the week ahead, instead of doing them each day. One of the things I thought about doing was making a text ocument and writing next weeks posts in there, then I just need to copy paste each day or something, I really am looking for automation, hence I like the look of that program walrus.
Sorry, I talk too much and ask too much ), I just realise there is mucho knowledge in here :-)
thanks again
JD

[walrus]

Originally Posted by JD

Thanks for the posts guys,

So does a ping go off after every post, so thereby if you are making a lot of posts a day, then it would be pinging too much, I think thats what you were getting at?

yes

Originally Posted by JD

For update services in WP, I just have http://rpc.pingomatic.com/
What do you guys recommend, changing this setting, adding different ones? Do you guys have something different in there.

I use pingomatic only. I tried pinging everyone and their uncle and watching my traffic stats they have not changed by just sticking to pingomatic. I dont see that every now and then one hit from a few places but at most it costs me 5-10 hits a month. I still get technorati, yahoo and google pinged which is where the majority of the traffic resides.

Originally Posted by JD

Walrus:
Ive been following your advice and writing down on paper notes etc., and I have noted I wont use that time stamp thing on wordpress due to the reasons you outlined. I have been thinking about that program you posted, and its one of those pages that I've seen heaps of times, the one page infomercial type thingy. Ive seen about a dozen of these kinds of pages all with different blog type programs and I didnt really know if they would be worthwhile, as they all look similiar. So did you find that yours was worth the hundred bucks nearly asking price? Does it do many other things besides just the remote posting?

You can use it for running complete blogging empire, blog script and all. I don't simply because I find that it is lacking in some aspects that can only be addressed by open architecture scripts like WP. I can't imagine building a blog with out the Ultimate Tag Warrior or Google site map plugins.

Is it worth the $100.00? My original thought after I purchased it and decided I couldn't use the blog script (I know others that do and are happy) was that it was a bad investment. But now I look at it and the ability to do automated timed posts to my WP blogs has allowed me to grow my personal blog empire by a factor of 4. Because my weekdays are very limited in time, but my weekends wide open, there is no way I could have expanded beyond 3-4 blogs.

So, it solves one of my problems and I am making more money so I guess I would have to say that it was worth it.

Originally Posted by JD

Have you guys tried the email posting from wordpress thats built in?

Nope, havent tried it

Originally Posted by JD

The bottom line is, I dont want to login to multiple blogs and post in the wordpress interface, would rather, spend a day a week setting up my posts for the week ahead, instead of doing them each day. One of the things I thought about doing was making a text ocument and writing next weeks posts in there, then I just need to copy paste each day or something, I really am looking for automation, hence I like the look of that program walrus.
Sorry, I talk too much and ask too much ), I just realise there is mucho knowledge in here :-)
thanks again
JD

Automation is the way to go. I post ahead 3 months at a time except for XXX Blog Maniac which I keep daily since it is much less a splog and more like a blog.

[JD]

Thanks again Walrus
Yeh, you know I've bought too many items over the years and havent used them effectively for one reason or another. I would probably be like you and still use WP instead of this, but the automated posting does sound like its worth it alone, just a few signups eh )
Do you use feedwordpress or anything similiar for snapping up RSS feeds into your blog? I have used that for one blog but I dont totally like it, as it is creating mirror content, and I suppose with your posts you do 3 months ahead, these would be custom personal posts, with a link to FHG type of thing?
I see that company that does the blog program also has a few other programs, have u tried any of those?
I will add those two plugins to my 'must have plugin' list :-)

When you make your blog empires etc. do you think its important to make your own themes or headers? I have found some nice themes and I wasnt going to go into changing the headers etc. is that ok you think? Or do you think they need some originality and need to be custom?
thanks again :-)

[walrus]

Originally Posted by JD

Thanks again Walrus
Yeh, you know I've bought too many items over the years and havent used them effectively for one reason or another. I would probably be like you and still use WP instead of this, but the automated posting does sound like its worth it alone, just a few signups eh )
Do you use feedwordpress or anything similiar for snapping up RSS feeds into your blog? I have used that for one blog but I dont totally like it, as it is creating mirror content, and I suppose with your posts you do 3 months ahead, these would be custom personal posts, with a link to FHG type of thing?
I see that company that does the blog program also has a few other programs, have u tried any of those?
I will add those two plugins to my 'must have plugin' list :-)

When you make your blog empires etc. do you think its important to make your own themes or headers? I have found some nice themes and I wasnt going to go into changing the headers etc. is that ok you think? Or do you think they need some originality and need to be custom?
thanks again :-)

I use wp-autoblog for my automated feed blogs. I personally think it is head and shoulders above feedwordpress.

I originally purchased Link Organizer and thought so much of the script that I decided to purchas Blog Organizer. I remain very happy with Link Organizer. I never worry about link exchanges anymore. Either my link stays up or their link comes down and I don't have to do anything in between. Link Organizer is probably the only script I've purchased from anywhere that I have absolutely no doubts about. Best investment I've made to date.

I also very seldom link to FHG's. My posts are typically a video and a couple links to the paysite. I figure if I can't write good enough text and give a 30 sec video with the post to make a sale then anything I do beyond that is simply giving away content.

I don't make my own themes but I do evaluate them as to ease of making my own header (which consists of a sponsor provided picture modified to make a nice looking header. I think you want the theme of the blog to work with the theme of the niche you are promoting. That can sometimes mean very different things and determines how I handle my thiemes.

[JD]

Thanks walrus, your very knowledgeable on blogs ))

I'm looking at wp-autoblog now, looks nice, have you had any trouble getting banned anywhere with it? I see on the comments on that site someone got banned from technorati, whydo you reckon that would be. I've heard a bit about this now (people getting banned various places), is there any tips for what to do as to NOT get banned anywhere ? lol
I kind of understand what you mean with the themes etc. Part of me thinks that the content is more important for some reason and if you have nice content, the right niche for the blog etc. it shouldnt really matter about the theme etc? I spent a few hours a while ago browsing all the themes, and because they all have their fancy 'artsy' headers and stuff, I didnt really think they would fit into an adult style blog, but I see that you just make your own header and slot it into the theme ;-)
So I suppose you just have to read the documentation about the theme and the header and work from there yeh?
cheers
JD

[walrus]

Originally Posted by JD

Thanks walrus, your very knowledgeable on blogs ))

I'm looking at wp-autoblog now, looks nice, have you had any trouble getting banned anywhere with it? I see on the comments on that site someone got banned from technorati, whydo you reckon that would be. I've heard a bit about this now (people getting banned various places), is there any tips for what to do as to NOT get banned anywhere ? lol
I kind of understand what you mean with the themes etc. Part of me thinks that the content is more important for some reason and if you have nice content, the right niche for the blog etc. it shouldnt really matter about the theme etc? I spent a few hours a while ago browsing all the themes, and because they all have their fancy 'artsy' headers and stuff, I didnt really think they would fit into an adult style blog, but I see that you just make your own header and slot it into the theme ;-)
So I suppose you just have to read the documentation about the theme and the header and work from there yeh?
cheers
JD

As for as I know I haven't been banned anywhere. My RSS feed blogs don't get as much technorati traffic as my hand made blogs but I assume that's because I pretty much let the RSS feed blogs run on auto=pilot and don't go in and edit them to make sure they get categorized and don't add tags to them.

As far as getting banned, I think you have to be pretty spammy and the aggregators feel they are being spamed to get banned. Anytime I've heard of anyone getting banned, looking at their site has always explained it to me and I would have rejected the blog if it would have been submitted to one of my directories.

The content is more important but if you have multiple blogs you want to make sure they do look different. Some themes are documented, most arent. You just have to dig around in the code long enough to figure it out. It isn't too hard usually.