Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.

[plateman]

Originally Posted by Cleo

After wasting my time reading this whole thread I've come to the conclusion that AT and his GF must be in the top 10 tragically clueless posters to come to this board.

Yes I agree and if someone sells traffic and has paid tgp spots and builds free sites like that - something doesnt add up..

And if anyone was gonna buy traffic and reads this, would they still want to do biz with them ???

[MadMax]

Well, I'm gonna jump back in here for a moment. I was doing a drive by yesterday when I posted and didn't read the entire thread until just now. I had no idea this sort of train wreck was brewing, so I'll take a moment to add my 2 cents.

First off, I send decline emails because my script does it automatically. I add reasons and comments because that function is integrated into my script, and for certain types of declines I offer second chance reviews. I have time to do this because I get a few dozen submits a day as opposed to several hundred or several thousand. I'll always send out emails but if I get to the point where I'm reviewing hundreds of sites a day I'll stop giving reasons because I simply won't have time. If my script didn't automatically generate accept/decline emails I wouldn't send them out because I wouldn't have time. Frankly, as a whole I think my submitters would rather have me focusing on driving traffic than writing emails anyway.

You've managed to come in here and piss off a lot of people that I respect as colleagues. These are people who have treated me as a member of their community since day 1 when I had no listings and shit for traffic, and what's more you're doing it by trying to tell them how they should run their own sites. This makes no sense to me. These people wouldn't be successful if they didn't know what they're doing, and competition for listings wouldn't be fierce if they didn't send good traffic. What is the point of intentionally pissing on people who would be happy to do business with a more civilized person? I just don't get it.

I review sites based on the sites, and blacklist for my own reasons as everyone does. I wouldn't decline a site just because of something I read on a board (and wouldn't have time to keep up with the unbelievable spreadsheets and databases that would be required to do so), but like everyone else here a submit that breaks the rules gets declined. With me, since I can and do put reasons in decline emails, when I decline someone four times in a row for the same reason I blacklist, because if they can't be bothered to read my explanations I can't be bothered to keep giving them, simple as that.

I'd still list any site that follows the rules, but neither of you has done anything in this thread but hurt your reputations; and if you don't think reputation matters ask Jay Servido.

Well, I guess that was at least 4 cents.

[Tommy]

I would like to add that I did over react and I know my over reaction fueled the fire

[Cleo]

I don't think we over reacted all that much.

I've worked very hard to get where I am today and I still work very hard each day. I think of myself as a honest and ethical business woman and I'm proud of that.

Had this thread been titled Looking for LL that send out declines I would have ignored it but it was titled "Calling all honest linklist owners" so being a honest webmaster I clicked on it only to see that it implied not sending out decline e-mails meant that I am not honest and I took great offense to that as did others.

[RawAlex]

At the end of the day, suggesting that linksite owners who don't send out rejection mails are somehow dishonest really irks me.

How we each choose to run our businesses is up to us. I feel comfortable being in a fairly decent group of link and TGP owners that don't waste their time sending out rejection mails (and answering the inevitable overflow of returning "I didn't break the rules!" and "your an asshole" emails). It is about making sure we have enough time to handle everything we need to do in a day, without spending out time on unproductive activities. Yes, sending out rejection emails to about 99% of people is a waste of time. Either because people are NOT reading their emails, have no intention of changing their sites, or are cheating multisubmitters that are just looking for tips to make sure you accept their crap sites in the future. None of those people deserve my time or effort.

I clearly state in my rules:

We reserve the right to refuse listings and service to anyone. This is a private website. You can be declined, refused or have your listing removed for any reason. We reserve the right to blacklist domains, email addresses, hosts, and IP addresses without notice, and without notification. If you submit multiple sites that violate the rules, you domain(s) will be blacklisted without notice. We do NOT send decline messages. If your don't like it, get a lawyer and waste your money. :-)

Again, reading the rules will solve all your problems.

Additionally, I have clear links all over to this board, where anyone who doesn't get listed is more than welcome to post up their stuff and we can chat (not PMs, please... post in public, it's better for EVERYONE).

How any of this makes me dishonest or somehow a lesser link site owner is beyond me.

Alex

[pornrex]

In spite of the fact that this thread was a big shouting match to a degree, I still did learn quite a few things nonetheless.

If your a newbie, read the rules and follow them. Plain and simple. There's really nothing more to say and no other way about it.

Also, slinging insults and shit at the good folks of ANY board will get you nowhere. Your better off going for a walk or counting to 10 or even 1000 if you have to calm yourself down. Besides, expressing yourself angrily is not the answer to any dilemma.

There are gonna be webmasters and linklist operators/reviewers out there that play favorites or show nepotism to anyone they damn well please for whatever reason. That's a fact of life. That will never change no matter what your chosen profession.

Except for one thing: The "honest and ethical" webmasters know exactly who they are how they operate and to them I 'd like to express my gratitude. Talking about being ethical and honest is one thing. Practicing it, is quite another.


pornrex

[Jim]

pornrex, I agree with you on everything. Even I have submitted to Greenie and not gotten listed. Nah...just kidding. I submitted a full page ad once and it was listed But, anyone can get listed at almost any link list...just follow the rules. There is no secret handshake or club. But, of course, once link list owners get to know a submitter, they will get listed more often and usually quicker.

I knew this thread was going to be ugly

[BruceKelly]

Originally Posted by Jim

...I knew this thread was going to be ugly

Yep. post 24. enticed me into reading the whole damned thread.

[Thumbler]

Originally Posted by Jim

I knew this thread was going to be ugly

Yeah, but did you know it was going to get this ugly

[Wazza]

[Wazza]

Can I have a buddy Christ yet?

[Wazza]

|viking|

[RawAlex]

Let's say I see 10 submits from someone... all 10 of them are great sites and I accept them gladly. Trust me when I say I will look at that webmaster's stuff more favorably in the future. 10 bad ones, 100% rejected, and you know how I will feel about submit #11.

I want to list sites from good people trying to make an honest (for porn) buck... not people trying their damndest to screw the system.

Alex

[Thumbler]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I want to list sites from good people trying to make an honest (for porn) buck... not people trying their damndest to screw the system.

Alex, I've spent most of my internet life in mainstream, and in my opinion there is far more honesty in the porn business than there is in mainstream. I've never been screwed (yet) by a porn sponsor, but I have by mainstream sponsors

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by Thumbler

Alex, I've spent most of my internet life in mainstream, and in my opinion there is far more honesty in the porn business than there is in mainstream.

I've heard that from a lot of people who have been in mainstream.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Thumbler

Alex, I've spent most of my internet life in mainstream, and in my opinion there is far more honesty in the porn business than there is in mainstream. I've never been screwed (yet) by a porn sponsor, but I have by mainstream sponsors

Really? What mainstream business were you in?

I've been the complete opposite. As far as adult sponsors ago, I've had no problems (a few late payments, but no biggie).

But I've been scammed a few times here and there ever since I started in the adult business a couple years ago.

[Thumbler]

I've dabbled in quite a few different mainstream areas, at one time I had a big webmaster resource site and used to write a weekly newsletter for webmasters. I've also run a free stuff directory, in fact I still do but the site desperately needs updating. My main interests these days are personals and webcams, that's how I got involved in what I normally refer to as the adult entertainment industry

[RawAlex]

Thumbler, while I had only been gently screwed by a couple of sponsors (mostly those going out of business rapidly but still accepting traffic to their URLs), I can tell you that there are plenty of people out there willing to fuck you over in this business as quick as they can.

Alex

[Presmar]

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

If you're willing to honestly look at my freesite when I submit it to you and if you don't like it but are willing to be honest & send me an e-mail even if it says "fuck off" then this is what I will do for you. I will do this regardless of your size of how much traffic you send.

I send both accept and reject emails because I don't know how to turn the automation off...

[swedguy]

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

Ok, I don't have either one of you in my recip table. I will add you right now.

I take that back. Don't bother adding me. Thank you.

[Jel]

Wow. AST, don't bother adding my recips to any freesites you make.

[Cleo]

Wow this thread is still going… and getting uglier each day.

AdultASSHOLETraffic I don't think you have to worry anymore who is going to list as I doubt that anyone is going to do business with you at this point.

You have to be one of the most arrogant clueless people to have come to the board in a very long time. The only other person that comes to mind this clueless and arrogant is the one who said that they were going to sue us for not listing them.

[Adult Traffic]

Originally Posted by Cleo

AdultASSHOLETraffic

Cleo called me a name

Arrogant? Now that's an understatement. Clueless? Yea, I make my living being "clueless". And not by building freeesites or making sponsor sales either

Seriously, if you think I'm clueless then .. "get a clue" comes to mind.

You're still a brown noser and I'm not

[BruceKelly]

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

Cleo called me a name

Arrogant? Now that's an understatement. Clueless? Yea, I make my living being "clueless". And not by building freeesites or making sponsor sales either

Seriously, if you think I'm clueless then .. "get a clue" comes to mind.

You're still a brown noser and I'm not

Derrick Zoolander?... Drunk?

[MrNick]

I am dishonest I dont send email of aprove or delete is you dont log in to your acount

am a bitch, and I now that ..........