"Political Influence of Adult Sites" and "Free Speech Coalition" pressure.

[Ms Naughty]

Possibilities for individual action:

1. Label existing sites with ICRA - and put info about that labelling on your pages so people know you're making an effort

2. Create your own page detailing how to block porn using a browser, giving info about labels and recommending Nanny software.

3. Create your own "Official Statement" page saying you believe in freedom of speech and are making an effort to keep children away from your sites.

4. Post about labelling/ COPA / political issues in your blog

5. Contribute your technical skills to help FSC set up a decent website

6. Contribute money to help create an advertising campaign about filtering - "A public service brought to you by the adult industry"

7. Write a letter to:
a. The newspaper
b. Your local politician
(this one is scary because it involves publicly sticking your neck out)

8. Think about what individual skills you have and volunteer to offer them, maybe one hour a week, to the FSC, or ACLU, or your lobby group of choice.

9. Think about ways to get our message out - to the politicians and the general public. It doesn't matter how good we are if no-one knows about it.

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

Think about what individual skills you have and volunteer to offer them, maybe one hour a week, to the FSC, or ACLU, or your lobby group of choice.

Good idea grandma,

I just emailed a letter to Tom offering my scripting skills, for whatever that's worth, to the FSC. In his response, he said "what will really be helpful is feedback from people in the industry regarding policies and projects that we are developing." Now, I'm off to do a little homework on what policies/projects he's referring to

[Ms Naughty]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

In his response, he said "what will really be helpful is feedback from people in the industry regarding policies and projects that we are developing." Now, I'm off to do a little homework on what policies/projects he's referring to

I'm doing my best not to be negative in this thread, but this one had me frowning. I'd love to give feedback, but on what? How does one find out about these policies and projects? Are they on the website? Are they only available to members via email?

Can you report back on your homework for us?

[Bill]

UW, I would say that porn has a ton of socially redeeming and even enlightening properties, and that we need to be talking about those redeeming properties.

I don't think we are trying to influence the opinion of the religiously anti-sex and the far right. It's the large middle group, who like a little occasional porn and are willing to believe it's healthy, relaxing, and invigorating, that we want to be talking to and convincing that censoring and outlawing porn is anti-constitutional and unhealthy.

Hell, I'd say for most men jerking off to images of strange pussy is the closest thing to transcendence that they are allowed to have, it reduces stress and anger, and it makes the world a better place.

I think we should be saying, "porn is good for people".

[KCat]

I'm absolutely baffled by the responses here. How can anyone argue that putting the porn least likely to offend in the spotlight wouldn't be the best course of action?

Of course all types of porn should be defended, but if you have the option of using porn created by college-educated, non drug addicted, non sexually abused women who have other career opportunities & still choose to create their own brand of personally enjoyable porn, who control all aspects of its creation & who profit directly from it, why the hell wouldn't you? It just seems like a no brainer to me.

I don't think Trixie or Furrygirl are saying that their brand of indie porn is superior or that the standard porn flicks don't have merit. I know I personally enjoy watching some rather raunchy stuff that a lot of women would consider degrading. But just because I enjoy it doesn't mean I should use it in an argument to defend porn!

[RawAlex]

Trixie, did you honestly read what you posted? Did you think it all the way through?

I like this the best:

judging from your posts, it's feels like a waste of time and energy to try to dialogue with some of you guys.

Would it be different if we were girls? If we had the other set of reproductive organs? Is it, in your mind, a waste of time to try to talk about the production of porn and being a "porn girl" to any guy? Or do you just have that restriction for TGP owners?

It just doesn't get any better than this.

Alex

[MadMax]

I believe we should continue fighting amongst ourselves whilst our detractors get more organized every day amidst their warm fuzzy glow of piety

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by MadMax

I believe we should continue fighting amongst ourselves whilst our detractors get more organized every day amidst their warm fuzzy glow of piety

It's often difficult to corral a herd of independent thinkers even when they are on the same side of the fence

[RawAlex]

Kcat, as Mr Blue said, I don't think it is about "most socially acceptable porn", because more than 50% of americans have watched or actively watch porn, but they would never admit it.

Start talking about freedom of speech, and the ACLU and all those other groups will form up behind you, supporting you to the very end.

I think this is more about not putting the WRONG foot forward. You do not want to give the enemies of porn more ammo to work from. While I support the freedom of speech for red sites, example, I also think that they would be fodder for the media and for the members of Congress, so I don't think that they are a good issue to fight on. Nor do I think that gagging sites, or bondage sites, or bukkakke sites would be good examples to use (and thus the people who operate them are not the best representitives to talk about porn, because we want the world to get the message, not to get lost in the person presenting it).

The sad fact is the best way in my mind to portray porn is with a simple guy meets girl, guy fucks girl site. Yes, it is walmart porn, but walmart porn is what the public is generally buying, and what they find socially acceptable. With social exceptance we are more likely to get the message out there, rather than starting a debate about the messanger.

Alex

[Useless]

Putting an air freshener in a shit house doesn't remove the fact that someone just shat there.

[KCat]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I think this is more about not putting the WRONG foot forward. You do not want to give the enemies of porn more ammo to work from. While I support the freedom of speech for red sites, example, I also think that they would be fodder for the media and for the members of Congress, so I don't think that they are a good issue to fight on. Nor do I think that gagging sites, or bondage sites, or bukkakke sites would be good examples to use (and thus the people who operate them are not the best representitives to talk about porn, because we want the world to get the message, not to get lost in the person presenting it).

I totally agree. Since the red sites were brought up again, it bears saying that no matter how intelligent & articulate the women are who run sites in that niche, that is not a place we want to go with this fight. John Q Public is not going to see red porn & say, "How wonderful that these women are celebrating their natural cycles!"

Like Mr. Blue said, I agree that the best course of action is focusing on how freedom of speech is being infringed upon, but I still think having a performer who creates her own content without being "degraded" would help. We're talking about infringing on her right to create the content & the public's right to view the content.

Does anyone watch the show Family Business? I think Adam Glasser does a fantastic job of challenging the stereotype of smarmy porn producer. He's relatable, he's likeable, he seems like a good dad & has a great relationship with his mom. And he treats the performers with respect.

More Adams & less Rob Blacks can only help this fight.

[Bill]

I've long ago given up trying to figure out what you guys are fighting about. All this yelling is making no sense at all to me.

You guys have all gone crazy, as far as I can tell. I can imagine what out FSC guests think of all this.

Next week, when the fire has died down, I plan on starting a new Free Speech Coalition thread in which we can get back to the political business at hand.

You are now returning to your regularly scheduled dark comedy.

[DJilla]

Jeesh! Ya know I have a handful of feminist friends, personally I like strong women, so I feel comfortable in saying this to you all; one common denominator that many of you seem to share is that you always rise to the slightest bait and are ready to fight. Then once you get started nothing else is important over winning your point, argument, whatever. On a board, this equates to hijacking a topic and in this case, one that’s kinda important. In a few sentences (with respect) let me say what I’ve told my friends when they get they’re nose bent out of shape at a party or whatever… “calm down”. You don’t have to put on battle dress over every little perceived slight or if you do then just start a thread to vent over. Try and focus on what we CAN agree to work towards together.

You girls(women)are a very important part of this dialogue and emerging movement of adult WM’s organizing themselves into some kind of united voice. Also, the more militant of you are important because of the fact that you ARE out there pushing the edges. The further you push the more likely it is that we’ll get a better mainstream compromise. Heck, the fact that TastyTrixie even HAS a manifesto is a credit to her sincerity. It’s more than a lot of WMs have bothered to accomplish so far. BUT, not everybody is going to dig you or your attitude. That comes with the territory. Being tough is not the same thing as being combative. We have certain missions in common. Stay cool, stay focused, stay here.

[MadMax]

Well, if we could return to the business at hand....

Kath from Klixxx has said that if we can get our shit together (my words not hers), she will guarantee this project a highlight feature at Klixxx.com to get the word out to the industry (no guarantee on a print magazine piece since that's JoeD's baby). She has also volunteered her services writing if she's needed, and would love to work with the GG&Jim crew since she hasn't had the time to post over here much lately.

We have the opportunity here to take the first steps in cutting the legs out from under one of the DOJ's biggest arguements against us...if we can get our shit together. We have the opportunity to get the word out to our colleagues with the help of Klixxx.com (yes, it may be terrifying, but no matter how much we bicker we are, in fact, all colleagues)

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Well, if we could return to the business at hand....

Kath from Klixxx has said that if we can get our shit together (my words not hers), she will guarantee this project a highlight feature at Klixxx.com

That's great! Good work. This is the kind of "good thing" that can happen when one person makes a move to reach out to their own contacts and works to get something done.

[KCat]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Well, if we could return to the business at hand....

Kath from Klixxx has said that if we can get our shit together (my words not hers), she will guarantee this project a highlight feature at Klixxx.com to get the word out to the industry (no guarantee on a print magazine piece since that's JoeD's baby). She has also volunteered her services writing if she's needed, and would love to work with the GG&Jim crew since she hasn't had the time to post over here much lately.

We have the opportunity here to take the first steps in cutting the legs out from under one of the DOJ's biggest arguements against us...if we can get our shit together. We have the opportunity to get the word out to our colleagues with the help of Klixxx.com (yes, it may be terrifying, but no matter how much we bicker we are, in fact, all colleagues)

Great news! I think healthy debate between colleagues is part of "getting our shit together", personally.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Well, if we could return to the business at hand....

Kath from Klixxx has said that if we can get our shit together (my words not hers), she will guarantee this project a highlight feature at Klixxx.com to get the word out to the industry (no guarantee on a print magazine piece since that's JoeD's baby). She has also volunteered her services writing if she's needed, and would love to work with the GG&Jim crew since she hasn't had the time to post over here much lately.

We have the opportunity here to take the first steps in cutting the legs out from under one of the DOJ's biggest arguements against us...if we can get our shit together. We have the opportunity to get the word out to our colleagues with the help of Klixxx.com (yes, it may be terrifying, but no matter how much we bicker we are, in fact, all colleagues)

Great stuff Max...that's definitely a step in the right direction

[Mr. Blue]

To Bill and MadMax, thanks for trying to get the thread back on track. Hopefully when the new thread gets started up we can keep it on track. This stuff is important and we should try and put our best foot forward.