Jay and I have worked out the problem (all you drama enthusiasts read this thread)

Kush · 2004-01-02, 03:35 PM

For those of you that know Jay or me really well, you know that we are both stand-up guys who are good to our word. We have both spent a significant amount of time helping other people and we both follow good, ethical business practices.

So how is it that 2 different, stand-up guys who used to work together develope such a problem with each other? Three reasons 1) both of us made some silly, stupid mistakes 2) both of us have our ego and pride and (most importantly) 3) we're big competitors.

We spent the last half hour on the phone trying to figure out how all of this happened AND how to find a solution. Since we know we're both smart competitors, we check out each other's pages, and of course we will see what works for the other person. And both of us have modelled work after the other.

I think damage has been done to both of our reputations, and that is unfortunate. But I also think that Jay has suffered an unfair amount of damage from all this debauchery, and for that I am sorry. For what it's worth, I once again consider Jay a reputable person with which to do business.

And while we are both competitors, we are also now allies. In the future we will be working together more intensively on projects that will be mutually beneficial to both of us.

And to everyone else on GG & Jim, sorry to end all of the fun drama, but a peaceful resolution has been found. I will be deleting the controvesial threads as peace reigns once again

Cleo · 2004-01-02, 03:39 PM

I for one do not enjoy the drama and would much prefer that everyone got along.

Glad to hear that the tow of you have worked things out.

Kush · 2004-01-02, 03:39 PM

GreenGuy or Jim, will one of you kindly please delete this thread. Jay and I would really appreciate it.

thanks!

jennym · 2004-01-02, 03:43 PM

Great to hear guys!

eman · 2004-01-02, 04:11 PM

"'If you want the rainbow, you’ve gotta put up with the rain.’ Do you know which philosopher said that? Dolly Parton. And people say she’s just a big pair of tits."
(David Brent - The Office)

Tuna · 2004-01-02, 04:21 PM

cool. glad to see you both worked out your problems.

xxxjay · 2004-01-02, 05:46 PM

I am not a board reader, I am more of a board skimmer, so had I noticed any of Kush’s pervious posts – this would have all been squashed weeks ago. What I learned from our conversation, is Kush believed I was ignoring him. The fact is I didn’t even see his posts. I came back from spending New Years in New Orleans when I checked my email and took a quick glance at the boards, saw his post, and flew off the handle.

Fact is: messages were crossed, mistakes were made, egos clashed, and this all turned into an ugly mess.

For the record:

I AM NOT A CODE STEALER – I don’t go around and lift other people’s pages – I don’t need to. I did that intentionally to show him what it felt like to have your ideas stolen and used against you – what really set me off was that he had dropped my links. Like he said: he looks at my code, I look at his, and now everybody on GG&Jim is probably looking – lol. It retrospect, I was my own fault he got the ideas – because I posted them on the damn boards. Like an idiot, I invited his competition -- lesson learned.

KUSH IS NOT A LINK DROPPER – Yes, Kush did drop some link trades that we had set up. Do I think he did it on purpose: No. Honest mistakes do happen, since we are such close competitors I took I quite personally and felt like he was out to fuck me. I know plenty of other webmasters he’s set up trades with that he has honored- I believe what happened with me was an anomaly.

Kush is a younger dude, up and coming in the business, and should be here for a while. Because of his youth, he may also be lacking in etiquette – this problem could have been easily solved via ICQ or email without dragging my name through the mud and enlisting his friends to help with the dragging (wicked, keyser, boogie). Just because you posted it, does not mean I’ve read it. For that I am offended, but I have accepted his apologies, and will forget about it and move on.

Long and short: We are both trustworthy people that let the competition get the better us, and both of our allegations were greatly biased and presented out of context.

I big part of the appeal of GG and Jim is that, unlike some other big webmaster boards, where flames are the rule, a beef like this is the exception. I stay off the other boards because of this -- it is a waste of my time, and yours.

While we may continue to battle over the same turf, we have agreed to act like gentlemen instead of junior high school kids, and both would appreciate it greatly if the moderators of Greenguys and Jim would remove all the flames related to this subject – including my initial post.

Greenguy · 2004-01-02, 06:26 PM

1 - glad to see you guys worked this out.

2 - we never pull posts unless they are spam - besides, a little bit of piss is good for everybody

xxxjay · 2004-01-02, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
we never pull posts unless they are spam - besides, a little bit of piss is good for everybody

wll put - i'm gonna have to use that one in the future

plateman · 2004-01-02, 08:53 PM

Good to hear that kush and xxxjay

ps kush when you get time please dont forget about my email

thanks guys

Alphawolf · 2004-01-02, 09:20 PM

While I'm glad it is worked out- this would have made a KILLER Judge Judy episode!

Just Kidding- time for the group hug!

xxxjay · 2004-01-02, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alphawolf
While I'm glad it is worked out- this would have made a KILLER Judge Judy episode!

Dude - that's a great idea. Just for maximum effect we need to say that we've been fighting over:

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=midget+porn

Because midgets = entertainment

Cleo · 2004-01-02, 10:11 PM

I like midgets and all but find I can't eat a whole one at once.

Alphawolf · 2004-01-02, 10:32 PM

LOL. Too bad there's not an R rated "Judge Judy".

Midgets and Clowns scare the shit out of me.

They just ain't hooked up right.

Is it a category within fetish yet?

http://www.ClownFuckingMidgets.com

Wow- it's available. Bet it would get a mention on Jerry Springer and Howard Stern. Go ahead, Jay!

Kush · 2004-01-02, 10:46 PM

wow, there's even a yahoo category dedicated to midget porn!
http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Ec...eries/Midgets/

Boy has this thread taken a turn |rasta|

Wild_Unicorn · 2004-01-02, 10:52 PM

I've read through a little of this and it seems very deep and that each one of you have sure been throwing some shit around at each other.

It's good to see that you both have sorted your hassles out.
I didn't really want to comment on the other thread as..

1) I 'really' know that much about it.
2) I have good trades and associations with you both.

..and besides that I think you are both pretty cool to work with.

Stay safe!

Alphawolf · 2004-01-02, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kush
wow, there's even a yahoo category dedicated to midget porn!
http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Ec...eries/Midgets/

Boy has this thread taken a turn |rasta|

Oh my god. Dude...not only that- but:

http://www.honeybutts.com/clown-porn-sex/

I will be having some nightmares tonight.

xxxjay · 2004-01-03, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alphawolf
Oh my god. Dude...not only that- but:

http://www.honeybutts.com/clown-porn-sex/

I will be having some nightmares tonight.

Maybe the real nightmare is that this is one of Adult Check's "preferred" webmasters that din't get axed, so it must be selling memberships.

Once I get back from Vegas I will have to add a "Midget Clown Porn Category" to my linklist.

And yeah, between Springer, Stern, Dick Delicious, and writing for CJ I have enough access to the media to blow it up...

Build it and they will come.

lassiter · 2004-01-03, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleo
I for one do not enjoy the drama and would much prefer that everyone got along.

Glad to hear that the tow of you have worked things out.

Amen to that - congratulations Kush and Jay.

Freeway · 2004-01-03, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
besides, a little bit of piss is good for everybody

Yeps

JenC · 2004-01-03, 04:23 AM

That's really good that you two worked out your differences. I really thought Israel and Palestine were gonna be allies before you two would be.

Anyway congrats.......peace is always the best way.

Greenguy · 2004-01-03, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
Just for maximum effect we need to say that we've been fighting over:

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=midget+porn

Oh great - I suspose that Murray & I are next on the personal attack list?

amber438 · 2004-01-03, 09:42 AM

I'm glad u guys worked it out..
cause you are both good people..
now..on with my cold!!

Keyser Soze · 2004-01-03, 01:58 PM

Good to see you worked it out

Among you two you should be able to corner the entire reality SE market

urb · 2004-01-04, 02:17 PM

Glad to see that you guys have worked it out.

2004-01-02, 03:35 PM	#1
Kush Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 201	Jay and I have worked out the problem (all you drama enthusiasts read this thread) For those of you that know Jay or me really well, you know that we are both stand-up guys who are good to our word. We have both spent a significant amount of time helping other people and we both follow good, ethical business practices. So how is it that 2 different, stand-up guys who used to work together develope such a problem with each other? Three reasons 1) both of us made some silly, stupid mistakes 2) both of us have our ego and pride and (most importantly) 3) we're big competitors. We spent the last half hour on the phone trying to figure out how all of this happened AND how to find a solution. Since we know we're both smart competitors, we check out each other's pages, and of course we will see what works for the other person. And both of us have modelled work after the other. I think damage has been done to both of our reputations, and that is unfortunate. But I also think that Jay has suffered an unfair amount of damage from all this debauchery, and for that I am sorry. For what it's worth, I once again consider Jay a reputable person with which to do business. And while we are both competitors, we are also now allies. In the future we will be working together more intensively on projects that will be mutually beneficial to both of us. And to everyone else on GG & Jim, sorry to end all of the fun drama, but a peaceful resolution has been found. I will be deleting the controvesial threads as peace reigns once again __________________ 120x60 Max For Sig Files

2004-01-02, 03:39 PM	#2
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I for one do not enjoy the drama and would much prefer that everyone got along. Glad to hear that the tow of you have worked things out. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-01-02, 03:39 PM	#3
Kush Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 201	GreenGuy or Jim, will one of you kindly please delete this thread. Jay and I would really appreciate it. thanks! __________________ 120x60 Max For Sig Files

2004-01-02, 04:21 PM	#6
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2004-01-02, 05:46 PM	#7
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	I am not a board reader, I am more of a board skimmer, so had I noticed any of Kush’s pervious posts – this would have all been squashed weeks ago. What I learned from our conversation, is Kush believed I was ignoring him. The fact is I didn’t even see his posts. I came back from spending New Years in New Orleans when I checked my email and took a quick glance at the boards, saw his post, and flew off the handle. Fact is: messages were crossed, mistakes were made, egos clashed, and this all turned into an ugly mess. For the record: I AM NOT A CODE STEALER – I don’t go around and lift other people’s pages – I don’t need to. I did that intentionally to show him what it felt like to have your ideas stolen and used against you – what really set me off was that he had dropped my links. Like he said: he looks at my code, I look at his, and now everybody on GG&Jim is probably looking – lol. It retrospect, I was my own fault he got the ideas – because I posted them on the damn boards. Like an idiot, I invited his competition -- lesson learned. KUSH IS NOT A LINK DROPPER – Yes, Kush did drop some link trades that we had set up. Do I think he did it on purpose: No. Honest mistakes do happen, since we are such close competitors I took I quite personally and felt like he was out to fuck me. I know plenty of other webmasters he’s set up trades with that he has honored- I believe what happened with me was an anomaly. Kush is a younger dude, up and coming in the business, and should be here for a while. Because of his youth, he may also be lacking in etiquette – this problem could have been easily solved via ICQ or email without dragging my name through the mud and enlisting his friends to help with the dragging (wicked, keyser, boogie). Just because you posted it, does not mean I’ve read it. For that I am offended, but I have accepted his apologies, and will forget about it and move on. Long and short: We are both trustworthy people that let the competition get the better us, and both of our allegations were greatly biased and presented out of context. I big part of the appeal of GG and Jim is that, unlike some other big webmaster boards, where flames are the rule, a beef like this is the exception. I stay off the other boards because of this -- it is a waste of my time, and yours. While we may continue to battle over the same turf, we have agreed to act like gentlemen instead of junior high school kids, and both would appreciate it greatly if the moderators of Greenguys and Jim would remove all the flames related to this subject – including my initial post. __________________ Circle Of Violence Last edited by xxxjay; 2004-01-02 at 05:53 PM..

2004-01-02, 03:43 PM	#4
jennym You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the south Posts: 529	Great to hear guys!

2004-01-02, 04:11 PM	#5
eman Solipsists of the world unite Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: xxx axis Posts: 639	"'If you want the rainbow, you’ve gotta put up with the rain.’ Do you know which philosopher said that? Dolly Parton. And people say she’s just a big pair of tits." (David Brent - The Office)

2004-01-02, 06:26 PM	#8
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	1 - glad to see you guys worked this out. 2 - we never pull posts unless they are spam - besides, a little bit of piss is good for everybody __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-01-02, 08:53 PM	#10
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	Good to hear that kush and xxxjay ps kush when you get time please dont forget about my email thanks guys

2004-01-02, 09:20 PM	#11
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	While I'm glad it is worked out- this would have made a KILLER Judge Judy episode! Just Kidding- time for the group hug! __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2004-01-02, 10:11 PM	#13
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I like midgets and all but find I can't eat a whole one at once. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-01-02, 10:32 PM	#14
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	LOL. Too bad there's not an R rated "Judge Judy". Midgets and Clowns scare the shit out of me. They just ain't hooked up right. Is it a category within fetish yet? http://www.ClownFuckingMidgets.com Wow- it's available. Bet it would get a mention on Jerry Springer and Howard Stern. Go ahead, Jay! __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2004-01-02, 10:46 PM	#15
Kush Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 201	wow, there's even a yahoo category dedicated to midget porn! http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Ec...eries/Midgets/ Boy has this thread taken a turn \|rasta\| __________________ 120x60 Max For Sig Files

2004-01-02, 10:52 PM	#16
Wild_Unicorn I want to set the record straight - I thought the cop was a prostitute Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London Posts: 296	I've read through a little of this and it seems very deep and that each one of you have sure been throwing some shit around at each other. It's good to see that you both have sorted your hassles out. I didn't really want to comment on the other thread as.. 1) I 'really' know that much about it. 2) I have good trades and associations with you both. ..and besides that I think you are both pretty cool to work with. Stay safe! __________________ GET YOURSELF SOME CHEAP CONTENT EDGE CONTENT - BARGAIN SETS UNDER $5

2004-01-03, 04:23 AM	#21
JenC Stupid risks make life worth living Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Eastern Seaboard Posts: 387	That's really good that you two worked out your differences. I really thought Israel and Palestine were gonna be allies before you two would be. Anyway congrats.......peace is always the best way. __________________ THIS IS MY SIG - CLICK IT.

2004-01-03, 09:42 AM	#23
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2004-01-04, 02:17 PM	#25
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