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2007-04-11, 10:13 PM | #51 |
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Should we keep trades with categories that are listed in the supplemental index?
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2007-04-12, 01:08 PM | #52 | |
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Here are the golden rules of link trading, which you should all live by: 1. Never trade links with any page which doesn't appear in the first five results of a site:domain.com search. 2. Avoid link trades with domains which have a poor consonant:vowel ratio. Less than 3:1 is considered a questionable ratio by Google. 3. Domains with more than two consecutive vowels are improperly discriminated against by Google. (They are working on this, but for now, you shouldn't trade links with such domains.) 4. Google hates foreigners, and music by the band Foreigner, with the exception of Hot Blooded, though I don't know how that will help. 5. Any site with any page listed as supplemental is to be avoided, EVEN IF they appear to rank very well for quality search terms. 6. Avoid trading links with sites with a lower Alexa ranking than you. 7. Always trade links with domains whose index Page Rank, when added to yours, will be a combined total of "10." (Pay very close attention to this rule and verify the consistency of your trades' PR weekly.)
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2007-04-12, 01:24 PM | #53 | |
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2007-04-12, 01:34 PM | #54 |
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You should know that Google doesn't really like the song Hot Blooded.
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2007-04-12, 02:19 PM | #55 | |
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pornhitzman if you think my LL is a risk to your site, pull my links and that we be fine |
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2007-04-12, 02:29 PM | #56 |
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I think that google has made a mistake with your site and you'll probably get things back to normal after the next update.
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2007-04-12, 02:32 PM | #57 |
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And so we all slip further down the slippery slope of FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt).
Instead of cooperating to create the kind of linking that google is rewarding right now, we try to cut each other's throats in a vain attempt to save ourselves and be the last one standing, without even trying to understand what is actually happening. This is what the betrayal of linking trust leads to. When we most need each other, to create unique anchor text, to give each other one-way links, trusting that our partners will fairly give us one way links in return, and keep those links up no matter what happens, we betray each other. Instead of working on creating more unique and original content, structured the way google's algos now reward, we start an inquisition that takes us nowhere, based on bad information, bad models, and suspicion. Oh yeah, that's real smart. |
2007-04-12, 02:46 PM | #58 |
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Just so y'all know, I guess I'll now be spending the remainder of the day checking my index page trades - wondering who's pulled my links because they fear that some of my pr0 cat pages may rub stink onto their sites. Just what I wanted to do!
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2007-04-12, 04:38 PM | #59 |
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I'd just like to point out that this thread has no PR (not even a PR0)
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2007-04-12, 04:47 PM | #60 |
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... and I would like to point out that the abbreviation PR is used in medical circles - per rectum - eg: up you arse!
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2007-04-12, 05:08 PM | #61 | |
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BTW, I traded with Marc when his site was barely a month old...I would be willing to bet he had no PR. ....and I would like to point out that many people here think you are an arrogant, condescending prick who never "joins" a discussion, but simply degrades everyone you believe to be of inferior intelligence. |
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2007-04-12, 05:11 PM | #62 | |
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2007-04-12, 05:23 PM | #63 |
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man you guys blow shit up to beyond what it is worth
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2007-04-12, 05:30 PM | #64 |
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I am certainly not trying to blow things up. I believe I came in this thread very friendly and have pretty much remained that way. I was trying to have an adult conversation. Hoping to learn something from some of my much smarter peers *cough* Linkster *cough*, and trying to get some thoughts on what other people believed regarding what I posted. I also think that MANY people do not post in these types of threads because people like UW and DD act like assholes and it just isn't worth the aggravation.
If they don't believe in this "SEO hocus pocus crap" then why not do the mature thing and just not join the discussion? Sorry...kind of went off a little, but god damn...it's like dealing with my kids at work. |
2007-04-12, 05:31 PM | #65 |
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2007-04-12, 05:37 PM | #66 |
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2007-04-12, 05:41 PM | #67 | |
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Other than that it started occuring about 16 months ago, and tends to bobble, that is, it comes and goes. I have yet to hear a convincing argument that it represents a penalty. The bobble implies that it's a toolbar artifact. I have many interior pages on my domains that were zeroed out as part of this zeroing trend - including a large number of linked freesites. But in this latest tbpr update about half of them came back, many with higher pr than before. And I had done nothing to improve their linking. The same with category pages in my private linklists -odd patterns of pages losing pr, then getting it back. To make it personal to you, let me ask you, when your domains get hit with this strange tbpr bobbling, or maybe some other google phenomenon that we haven't seen yet, you're saying it's perfectly fine with you if all your link partners drop their links to you? You are reacting to this as if it were a penalty when there is no good evidence that it's a penalty. What it is evidence of, is that we are dealing with a NEW google. We need to study what it's rewarding and build and link with it's new preferences in mind. To do that, we need to cooperate. Build value for our surfers, work together to recreate our linking patterns, test new ideas, share knowledge, and trust each other to honor the linking deals we've made. Why do we need trust? Because it's clear that one-way links are what google rewards now. You can't do one-way linking in business if you don't trust that the people you give links to aren't going to secretly drop their links to you to vampirize your relevance. |
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2007-04-12, 05:50 PM | #68 | |
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2007-04-12, 06:01 PM | #69 | |
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First - I think I am far from having knee jerk reactions. I started the other thread over 2 months ago, have joined this discussion, and have not yet removed links. Second - I had a discussion at length with someone on ICQ last night about figuring out how to make Google happy. It still involved linking with people, but in different ways. I am not just abandoning all my link trades. BTW, I had that (and other) conversations on ICQ because people wanted a calm conversation with me instead of entering into this pissing contest. They contacted me. Third - I think if there is a problem with my site, and people drop it until that problem is fixed because they believe it harms them, then that would be a wise business decision. I have never lost PR on any of my internal pages, so I am very unfamiliar with what you are describing. That is why I started the original thread, and joined this one. I am always eager and willing to learn. |
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2007-04-12, 06:05 PM | #70 |
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Oh for the love of God we get it. Jesus Christ how does your wife put up with you? I swear I would probably stab you in your sleep.
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2007-04-12, 06:08 PM | #71 |
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I can't add much SEO science to the discussion (I don't spend much time on SEO boards, and as it has been pointed out elsewhere, unless you're employed by G it's only opinion anyway), but I can share what my LL has been through in the roughly 2 1/2 years it's been online.
It started out with all pages PR0 (naturally). Incrementally index went up to PR4 and almost all cat pages to PR3. Then suddenly ALL cat pages dropped to PR0. Some months later they were all back up to PR2/3. I just checked again and some pages are now PR3, the rest (most) are 0. Index/main page have remained stable. If Google is punishing me, they can't seem to make up their mind. This leads me to believe the G either 1. Don't have a clue, or 2. Are trying, but can't get it right, or 3. Are changing the rules faster then WMs can catch up, or 4. Any combination of the above. I try to stay informed of the most common-sense SEO "rules". I no longer aggressively pursue straight reciprocal trades with every Tom, Dick and Harry. I base my trades and whether or not I keep them up on the honesty of the webmaster and the quality of the site. That's about it. I'm off to check on my trades now (haven't done it in a looong time).
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2007-04-12, 06:14 PM | #72 |
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jennym we have a index trade and thats good
me and captainJ had index and category and I got pissed off that he dropped my cat links without even a message, so thats ok and if he would of said "man I think your no PR condition is affecting my ranking - I would of happily said take the links down and see what happens, and thats it....no hard feelings...we still have a index trade and these trades are years old he atleast could have asked what happened to my pages and I could have told him I added 15 category pages all at once and my other pages didnt carry over any PR juice or I think its a toolbar error... or the same thing thats happening to 1000s of other legit webmasters and I had category PR for years me and spaceman have index and category on one of his LL - thats ok and what bill was saying about his pages and free sites are doing the same thing as mine the people were gonna partner with in link trades should get togther and work out a new scheme that google likes... but pulling peoples links behind there back is plain wrong and I dont no why you two insulted DD? Last edited by plateman; 2007-04-12 at 06:21 PM.. |
2007-04-12, 06:33 PM | #73 | |
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As for DD, that is twice that I have seen in the last week he has jumped in a thread, not to have an adult conversation, but to degrade the person asking questions. The other thread is here Of course, he has pretty much always been like that, and I can't fucking stand him. It might be petty of me, but that is how I feel. This board is supposed to be a community where people can talk about various ideas, thoughts, and opinions. Instead, it has pretty much turned into a high school clique board where many people are afraid to post their honest thoughts and opinions for fear of being attacked. But, I digress..... |
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2007-04-12, 06:36 PM | #74 | |
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also with the recip style linking going to the way side, just think of all those free sites we have on our LL not giving us next to nothing back as far as linking power goes, you see 1000s of free sites that dropped PR and so did the passing of link juice age of site and one way linking from editoral sites that tell people how good our sites are and other factors is what is needed to do good in google, some seo experts say with the newer algo a LL around the age of my site has next to nothing of a chance of doing really really good in google right now IMO |
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2007-04-12, 06:46 PM | #75 | |
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That takes me into the network of sites of about a dozen of the biggest se builders here, including dean & jeff (and their network may include your se domains, if you have many domains beyond your primary ll), linkster, jay, gg & mml, and others. I saw interior pages that I beleived had pr zeroed out everywhere I went. Their was no-one who was immune to it. (I can't always be sure that interior zeros had been hit by this, that is, they might have been zeros before, but I have surfed all these folks sites multiple times over the years, I'm quite sure that I saw plenty of "main" pages off the index zeroed, plus all or most of the minor pages. on domain after domain.) Plus, of course, the small linklists and subsidiary sites of all the small linklist owners here, almost all or many of whom have had the interior zeros at some point, as has been discussed here a fair number of times in the past 16 months. So, if you haven't seen it, I don't know what to tell you. Go over your domains and friend's domains and look for it. It's happening as we speak. --- I gather you feel that your linklist offers such unique value to the surfers that you can afford to say "fuck you" to other webmasters, and you don't think you will gain the rep of a linkdropper from this. That's your position, that's your right. My position is that this is a dangerous road, and, to boot, it's not a solution to this problem. I'm not a linklist owner. If you guys want to start a linkdropping war it's not that big a deal to me. I am a linker, and for as long as I've been a linker, the general opinion has been that linkdropping is something only cheaters do. |
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