Question For Link List Owners & Reviewers About Blind Recip Links

[Silver Knight]

If the name of linklist is too long it's impossible to write it in the text of recip.

[kit]

Strict rules according recip texts cause the pattrens in google database and possible penalties. I think we (link site webmasters) must combat to gain more SE traffic in link sites niche.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

I have a contra example of massive blind links used by Link-O-Rama:...

You really are an idiot. Do you have any "amateur porn" on this page?:
http://www.penisbot.com/new-amateur-01.html
Or do you just have LINKS to amateur porn?

Originally Posted by kit

Strict rules according recip texts cause the pattrens in Google database and possible penalties. I think we (link site webmasters) must combat to gain more SE traffic in link sites niche.

Stop living your life based on what you THINK Google likes & doesn't like.

Did someone take away your #1 for "porn"? 2nd page now? Life sucks. Get used to it. (or explain why you think you deserve to be #1 for "porn" 24/7/365)

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Everyone look at Dare's example:
http://www.marks-links.com/example1.html
As well as this example I did of Preacher's page:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html
Do you really want the recip tables to look like this?

Please remember that when you take what I think are blind links out of the recip tables & surround them with 15 other links that I'd also consider blind, it changes the context of that one link.

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PS - I do love all the "12 total posts" people that come out when these threads pop up. The best so far is that the Link Lists name is too long

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Everyone look at Dare's example:
http://www.marks-links.com/example1.html
As well as this example I did of Preacher's page:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html
Do you really want the recip tables to look like this?

Even if I was to accept your definition of a blind link, which I assume involves the site's name being present, those recips STILL wouldn't bother me. I'd say, fine - they're blind. How is the surfer misled or harmed? What free site submitter is going to fret over the idea of sending surfers to PenisBot via the word Porn?

I don't think that Cum is Yummy is any more blind than PerveSpace. The name of a site tells me nothing that makes it not blind for a first time visitor. But keep in mind, I've never, ever, ever understood why Free Movie Trailers at Please Bang My Wife is considered not blind, but Free Movie Trailers of Wives Getting Fucked is, to many reviewers. As long as the surfer isn't being misled, I haven't an issue with which text other people use in their links.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

"Cum is Yummy"

[Bill]

So, no sense yet of an acceptable compromise?

We all have to start building mirrors if we want the same site accepted by both penisbot and linkorama?

[kit]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Stop living your life based on what you THINK Google likes & doesn't like.

Because this is a very search engines related business, I will base many things on what Google (Yahoo, MSN) likes & doesn't like.

I can't find serious difference between "BlaBla Porn" and "Porn" in recips table. Nobody click on text recips. The poll results show that many webmasters on this board agree with my point.

[koalaTalex]

GG: I don't think that only linklist owners and reviewers are affected by this issue so that's why people with few posts are coming out to express their opinions and you shouldn't shit on them because of how many posts they have. I have been reading this board since 2005 and just because I only started posting recently shouldn't mean my opinion doesn't count.

Kit & GG:
If the only solution we can come to for now is an unlinked PenisBot please just tell us that's it.

I just updated the PenisBot recips Kit's way and to do it over again once will be enough time spent without the fear that I will have to re-do a third, fourth, fifth time until a permanent solution is agreed upon.

I want both your traffic

[bluebrit]

My concern with the way LL recips are going at the moment (and i have submitted to other sites that already do what penisbot are implementing) Is that, If it's ok for the LL recip to be blind, you are only a step away from sponsor links being blind as well.

If you accept the fact that LL recips can be blind, does it follow that i could use the word PORN or SEX or MORE XXX as a link going straight to a sponsors free tour from a free site?

At the moment that would get you declined everywhere but with blind recips being actively used, how can the LL owners decline a site for blind linking to a sponsors porn without having double standards?

Personally i prefer to use the LL name purely so i can identify them at a glance and i think surfers like this option as well. I know that given a choice between a link saying PORN or one saying the name of the LL, as a surfer, i would click the named recip because i know before clicking it where i will land.

[NY Jester]

2 cents ==>> I feel, Average Joe porn surfer would much rather click a recognizable name with the link after (much like the compromised solutions Kit showed above) than just the Porn | Amateur Porn alone - I just think it is site branding. For myself, I agree with what DareTwo and KG said in regard to the recip tables being full of Porn | Amateur Porn links rather than a site name associated with it. I have no problem just linking to the word "porn" but for my FS"s I am using the alternative of adding the Unlinked name ahead of it.

[CaptainJSparrow]

I'm thinking that gg should have put a 3rd choice in his survey above called "Somewhat." Is it blind that the recip to my site targets both "cumshots" and "free porn videos" but does not mention the name Debauchery?

According to Kit, and I understand he is "technically speaking", my links are blind because I don't actually deliver cumshot pics or movies off of my server. According to gg, and I realize that he's just posing this for discussion, my links are blind because I don't mention the name "Debauchery" in my recip. Am I misleading the surfer? Probably not because my intent is that they come to my page, cumshots, and they can see both cumshot pics and cumshot videos by clicking on the links.

I changed my recips a while back because I used to list "debauchery.com" in them and I get a whopping 240 people per day, for being #1 for that term, from google.

I will say that gg has a good point here: http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

I'm also thinking as LL owners, we should make it as easy as possible to our free site submitters and they certainly should not have to choose sides. Faced with a situation as gg pointed out above, what's a submitter to do? Also, were that situation to become prevalent, google may discount all links in tables such as that.

I may change my links to the way I have the Amateur section linked on this page: http://debauchery.com/text-links.htm . I won't do this as a knee jerk reaction to this thread, meaning I want to ponder on it for a day or so, but changing my recips up in that way should not affect how google sees the anchor text and hyper-links to my pages.

Any thoughts on that?

CJS

[Bill]

Holy shit, it's a freekin recip war.

[DangerDave]

It's BLIND.. 100% BLIND and deceptive... and as Dare's example shows so clearly, it's a fucking minefield...

additionally.. wether you think is blind or not... it is defintitely not a Linklist Recip, which is what the front table is for.... A recip is a recip.... not a keyword link.

It is time free site builders stood up for themselves and stopped letting LL's hijack your front pages, with spammy keywords... Look at the density of keywords on your front pages now, and you will see why your sites never rank for anything.. The only thing Penisbot should/could demand of you in a recip is the site name and possibly a tag line. It is not your job to supply them with keyword relevance or text.

Category recips was the start, of alot of bullshit crowding your front page with spammy keywords, now "they" want to crowd your page with NOTHING BUT spammy keywords...

I would never ask you to do it, and if sites start arriving with this sort of "recip" they will be declined.

A recip is a recip, not a SE spam ticket for greedy LL's

DD

[Useless]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

It is time free site builders stood up for themselves...

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

I've always wished that there more people like me in the business. We really need more honest, yet semi-self-destructive webmasters who are willing to state their opinion, despite the possibility of a thorough lashing.

I hope someone remembers to bookmark this thread so that the next time I'm called a sheep because I'm backing the opinion of GG or DD I can refer back to it.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I thought of something yesterday afternoon & I have updated my example - this is where we are headed:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

That's the cleanest recip table I've seen in a long time. I may use that on my next free site.

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

exactly. How can we bite the hands that feed us?? This sucks, it's like 2 family members fighting. You love them both, so how can you take sides?

I may just go back to the old gif/table recips, that seems easier than trying to tiptoe through this minefield.

[grundic]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

I've always wished that there more people like me in the business. We really need more honest, yet semi-self-destructive webmasters who are willing to state their opinion, despite the possibility of a thorough lashing.

They have their own opinion!

But every time, when they say something about your LL (LOR, DD, .. etc) they become banned or put on shame!
Why?
Because they are newbies, they did'n know something that you know, or they just can't speak "Fucking English" as good as you can?

Lots of webmasters can be proud, that they can speak free in several languages, and such envious and selfish cocksucker like Greenguy has no right to judge them, because they tried to write some attractive and long description for gallery!

My opinion is that GG is too heated with think, that he is the God in this industry, and his super weapon - BAN for every fucking reason, makes webmasters to keep their own oppinions with themselves!


P.S.
About blind links:
Almost every LL have blind links at their recips like this:
"Indian Porn" , "Black Porn" "Free Porn" , "Teen Movies" .. etc
because if I wrote "Indian Porn" somewhere on my freesite and link it to Indian paysite full of indian free movie samples, this freesite will be declained by the most of you because of blind link.

So why "Indian Porn" can be written at recips, but on my freesite galleries can't be written?

[tyre71]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

Speaking for myself (as a submitter) I really could care less. If I disagree with a link list rules I simply take them off my submit list. There are tons of link list and plenty of places to get traffic.

As far as grundic post I really dont think shit throwing is really necessary. Greenie and kit can both do whatever they want with their linklist. They are the ones who put the work into them. It's their business. Greenie could have just said,"I wont accept sites with those recips anymore", but he didn't. He opened it up for debate.It's not like kit and greenie hadn't disagreed before. I remember the debate over penisbot asking for recips to porninspector.

Kit I really do understand what your trying to do. But I think it's a short sighted plan. It probably would work for a while. But what happens when google changes it algorithm? And if freesites start using these recips google may start dropping freesites from their index for being spammy. Now that may not seem like a big deal but a couple a search engine hits to each of hundreds of freesites start to add up.

My point is that everyone-link list and submitters have to do whats best for their particular business model. Maybe the focus should be on building sites that make surfers want to bookmark and link to.

Just my1/2 cent worth.

[kit]

Originally Posted by tyre71

Kit I really do understand what your trying to do. But I think it's a short sighted plan. It probably would work for a while. But what happens when google changes it algorithm? And if freesites start using these recips google may start dropping freesites from their index for being spammy. Now that may not seem like a big deal but a couple a search engine hits to each of hundreds of freesites start to add up.

Freesites already very spammy. Only TGP galleries is more spammy. Because of texts copying from one freesite to other. Not only recipe tables, but also all other texts.

Short $Keyword in reciprocal text is less spammy than long "MyLinkSite Free $Keyword Links".

Around one year ago I said: When Google decide that average freesite is a piece of spam, link sites business will ends. Looks like Google started to think so in 2007. I think so Not because I lost #1 "porn" position. Almost all link sites have been decreased in their SE rankings during this year.

[tyre71]

Originally Posted by kit

Freesites already very spammy. Only TGP galleries is more spammy. Because of texts copying from one freesite to other. Not only recipe tables, but also all other texts.

Short $Keyword in reciprocal text is less spammy than long "MyLinkSite Free $Keyword Links".

Kit what would you think of a straight link to your index?Do it old school. Wouldn't that be the least spammy method?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by kit

Around one year ago I said: When Google decide that average freesite is a piece of spam, link sites business will ends. Looks like Google started to think so in 2007. I think so Not because I lost #1 "porn" position. Almost all link sites have been decreased in their SE rankings during this year.

Now that's accurate enough.

But if you really believe this kit, you should reward webmasters who write unique changing text links. It's well known that it's easy for google to spot thousands of identical text links, and devalue them.

Your plan will only bring you a small short term advantage, then lead to an even faster and further collapse in the future.

But, about the immediate problem - How do you feel, kit, about people putting an unlinked "penisbot" in the text of the recip, so that it's not blind? Will your reviewers accept that? (excuse me if this has already been asked and answered)

[Greenguy]

I thought of something yesterday afternoon & I have updated my example - this is where we are headed:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

Extreme? You'd have thought that category recips were extreme 4 months before they were the norm as well.

[Cleo]

As a LL owner I see no benefit from category recips and have been offering a non category recip for sometime now.

As a site builder I get wet thinking of going back to non category recips with just one link per recip and not having to go hunting down category recips each time I build for a new niche and having a site root page 20+ outgoing links that is mostly due to the recip table.

[Silver Knight]

For example the domain of linklist is 4000freepornmovies.com and the name is "4000 Free Porn Movies". It says nothing so surfer even if we honestly write the name of linklist in recip.

[Silver Knight]

Greenie could have just said,"I wont accept sites with those recips anymore", but he didn't. He opened it up for debate.

If he would do that the other linklists would do the same with him.

[koalat]

I don't think it's a blind link at all. I'm just a submitter though, and I just follow the rules of each LL's I submit to.

My original plan was just to swap out GG's recip so that it wouldn't be on the same table as PenisBot because the simplest solution is usually the best one.

However, after reading this thread I realized that all sorts of other link list owners are probably in some sort of a kafuffle about this now and may be declining for having PenisBot's recip on the same table as their own which is just plain stupid IMO.

Doing a little bit of Google searching I noticed that Penisbot comes up pretty regularly for all sorts of adult terms, but many of the other LL's I submit to did not show up even by the 20th SERP.

Anyway, my opinion for what it's worth is that the link is not at all blind, the surfer is going to get 'porn' regardless of which link they click on even in GG's nightmare scenario.