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I'm not banning all sponsors with pre-checks, just those sponsors that have them placed below the submit button.
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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Toby - be honest
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I don't really have much to offer here except that I am in agreement with Toby. Having the pre-checks below the submit button and/or below the fold is deceptive. The entire purpose of asterisks and fine print is for the purpose of deception, just like their placement on the page AND the fact that they are PRE-CHECKED in the first place. There's plenty of room for the true costs to be right there with the pre-checks and there's plenty of space for additional offers at the top of the form instead of below the submit button.
Professional marketers study advertising statistics. They know that HUGE amounts of surfers do not scroll below the fold for further information (only 10% did earlier in this decade) or read fine print. Sure, we webmasters realize how dangerous it is to place trust in sponsor programs, but a horny surfer doesn't know what we know, nor is he or she in their correct state of mind, at least not if we did our job correctly. ![]() Ok, I have to go to my telemarketing job now and see if I can sell some supplemental life insurance to senior citizens who aren't eligible for the benefits, but at least they can afford it. ![]()
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A few years back Ibill and a few AVS had this practice of doing the same thing. If I recall correctly they made the text with the pre-checks far smaller to make sure no one would have a chance of reading them. It's certainly a very questionable way of making money imho. I would never promote a sponsor if I knew they were playing such tricky games. |
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That'll teach you to leave your sister unattended.....
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Hey - I wanna put the "Enter" link above the LL recip table on all my Free Sites and make sure the table starts at say the 800th pixel from the top. Of course, all my adds will be within the first 768 pixels.
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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![]() BTW - I completely understand what everyone is saying, I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Consoles, on the other hand, pop regardless of any boxes being checked & that annoys the living shit out of me. The world of advertising & marketing lives off stupid people. If it's on sale 2 for $5, you'll buy 2 even if you only need 1, which costs $2.50. I do this EVERY time I go to the grocery store. Why? Because I'm a dummy. |
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Mean people suck, nice people swallow, are you mean or nice?
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I was thinking the same exact thing the other day when I started reading this thread. The reason recips have to be above the Enter link is because surfers don't look below the Enter link. When a purchaser gets to the purchase place I would think he stops scrolling. If a checked box is below where he makes his purchase it's the same as recips under the enter link and usually doesn't get seen.
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Trying is the first step towards failure
Join Date: Feb 2004
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I only wish we could have cancellation policies like AOL has ;-)
In all fairness, affiliates can choose who they promote. If they choose to not promote us because of pre-checked cross sales, I'll wish them well and tell them to go ahead and promote another sponsors. Those that love the checks they receive from us and the size of them as well as everything we offer are more than welcome to keep continuing to send us traffic. Everyone has the right to decide who they will conduct business and who they will conduct business with. No one should let people on a message board dictate to them how they should run their business. They need to decide for themselves and even though Toby and I probably disagree, at least he's willing to state publicly his intentions to pull links and really, let's see if he does. I would never tell anyone how to conduct business nor should anyone listen to me in such regards (unless they want to send to us and earn big checks ;-)). |
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Brazzers and AFF were already on my banned sponsor list for other unsundry activities, and I regularly decline submits promoting those sponsors. As I noted in a reply to this same topic on another board, I don't go on the war path often, but when I do I neither fight fair nor take any prisoners. |
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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I tell people how to conduct their business all the time & everyone loves me!
![]() Banning a sponsor is BIG, regardless of how big your site is. I've only done it twice: Epic Cash & Ultra Cash - and I think everyone can agree that I had VERY valid reasons for each. I completely understand what Toby's doing. I sometimes wish there was an option to turn it off & take a lower payout like programs do with consoles. But, this is a BIG part of the PPS business model & I'm a PPS kinda guy ![]() |
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Trying is the first step towards failure
Join Date: Feb 2004
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I understand what he's doing as well and truly do wish him well...I don't begrudge anyone conducting business the way they want. I also admire the fact he's arguing his point without resorting to name calling or anything like that. We could use more of that in this industry. |
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Epic Cash. Shit, I can type Epic Cash. Wasn't there a time when I couldn't type Epic Cash? I would just get **** **** or ********? Okay, I know I am bringing nothing to the thread here but I just wanted to say it.
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What can I do - I was born this way LOL
Join Date: Oct 2003
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I believe that the people who dont see them when joining and find out later will become a non joiner later
I've looked at some and most are visible... IMO if your worried about it, educate your surfers about it on your site on some pages of it, take care of your surfers and hopefully they will take care of you by keep joining your pay links cross sales are a way of life for the PPS programs, if they hide them then it is not acceptable... IMO it's far worse to have link trades with other sites that have those free join email sites that have aggressive popups on there tours |
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Twistys now has no-xsell link codes available for both their revshare and PPS programs, 60% vs 70% and $25 vs $30. They're in the process of adding FHG's with those same options. BosBucks have said that they now also have a no-xsell option, and OCCash have said they will be adding one too. It also appears that JuggCash (Brazzers et. al.) have now moved their pre-checks above the submit. Not sure if all the pre-check threads on the boards was the motivation or if perhaps a processor took them to task. Either way it's a step in the right direction, albeit a small one. |
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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Toby - before I forget, great topic & I love the anger.
It's also perfect timing for a long board discussion seeing as it's Monday. If this thread started on a Friday, no one would remember it Monday morning ![]() |
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I just showed a join page to my 22 year old son. I asked him if he were buying how he would go about it.
He looked at the sign up page that had one pre-checked box and one unchecked box. He looked the page over for a minute. “I thought you wouldn’t have to buy porn”? he said ![]() “Would you please throw me a bone here and pretend your buying it” I said He grabbed the mouse and unchecked the pre-checked box and checked the one that had been unchecked (it was less expensive) “I would probably get this one but not both” I asked him if he thought the pre-checked box was deceptive “No I can see it right there . . . but if it were unchecked I probably wouldn’t have noticed either of them” Let me add he was not coached and the boxes were in full view without scrolling at all. My take! There is a line between “suggestive selling” and “sneaky selling”
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From a similar discussion on another board. Reposted with the authors permission.
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I want to set the record straight - I thought the cop was a prostitute
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Visa and Mastercard are making too much money to pull out, and even if they did find out (I am almost 100% certain they already know) unless it is illegal activity, they have far bigger things to be worrying about.
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Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds!
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I agree that pre-checked boxes under the fold is shady at best. I would think that anyone who gets screwed by those has the sense to contact their CC company and get their money back. Next you would have a lot of charge backs and then the companies would stop - right? I wonder why this isn't happening - maybe not enough people fall for this trick?
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That'll teach you to leave your sister unattended.....
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I process just under $1,000,000 in credit cards annually in my mainstream businesses, and chargebacks are rare, but the merchant account companies hate them - they cost way more in time and effort than the CC companies will ever recover so if there truly were too many, we'd see a change in the rules. |
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Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds!
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That is just 1 industry in mainstream. You can also add in the millions made by each of the different publisher networks, such as clickbank, cj, roirocket and so on. Then there is the shitload that is made pushing Pharma & Replicas. There is also the multi million dollar field of mlm. Each with it's different areas. One example is payed info forums, with hundreds of thousands of members each paying $99 a month for access. - As for the Cb issue. A lot of high volume programs use Offshore MA's. They do this as the CB ratio is much higher then the USA level, which gives them more room to work. They also most likely rotate the joins through several MA's so that they don't burn them. As for customers that claim a CB, you'd be surprised to know that not every customer calls their bank. Most just move on. -N
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