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2014-02-10, 10:53 AM | #1 | |||
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Google Issues Stern Warning to Affiliate Sites
From AVN Business News: Google Issues Stern Warning to Affiliate Sites
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If that's the case, then the question becomes: What will take the place of these tube sites in the rankings? My Answer: I know I'm not alone around here when I say that I hope Google goes back to liking our Link Lists & Free Sites, because I think most of them do fall into the class of sites/pages that "provide significant added benefits that would make a user want to visit this site in search results instead of the original source of the content" due to the unique descriptions that are used in the reviews (for LL's) and marketing (for FS's). I'll admit that I've yet to click on any of the external links in the article to areas in Google's Webmaster areas, but that's next on my list...right after my nap So what are everyone's thoughts on this? Can anyone add any new info? Links to helpful sites/pages on this topic? This article is over a week old, so this may not be new news to some of you, but seeing as I haven't seen any posts about it, I thought I'd start a discussion |
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2014-02-10, 10:56 AM | #2 |
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2014-02-10, 12:14 PM | #3 | |
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What will take their place? Probably more links to category and individual video pages on the BIG tube sites. Not only are those the pages where real surfers are sharing links to, but the big tubes are aggressively buying links to specific cat and video player pages. In my way of thinking, if any of us ever hope to reclaim good SE positions, it won't be due to other sites falling in the rankings. Those positions will just get grabbed up by the guys who are spending lots of cash on link building, media buys, social influences and every other way to wind up in those SE positions we all covet. I can wish it was different, but the other hand will fill up first. :-|
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2014-02-10, 12:38 PM | #4 |
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Tubes are not going anywhere, just like tgp's did not go anywhere. They may lose some traffic "IF" search results drop but they will still hold onto the vast majority of traffic because millions of daily visitors will remember their site.
Here lies the problem imo: 'Does this site provide significant added benefits that would make a user want to visit this site in search results instead of the original source of the content?' Yes, because it's FREE It always seems the same people who complain about no jobs visit sites with stolen content, illegal downloads, etc... I keep saying what goes around comes around and I have been seeing other sites popping up in top positions where tubes use to be. The sites I have seen are like circle jerk tgp's but somewhat updated. So, could LL's make a comeback? Sure, why not. But I think the freesite model needs to change from the 4 page to ??? and quality probably needs to come back versus mass production (something I am guilty of as well) where rules need to be tightened up and changed to go with a new freesite format. The hardest part is accepting change and making those changes when LL's don't finacially make enough to cover the increase in review time to insure quality listings. |
2014-02-10, 01:11 PM | #5 |
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I wish I could be more optimistic but I don't think it will have a great impact.
From Google's point of view, stolen material that appears on the bigger tubes is the original source since they wouldn't know the true, full length originals are behind pay walls. Sites that scrape or embed tube material may be punished but the biggest tubes and their SEO rankings will remain intact. In cases where they received DMCA notices, Google said they were going to punish sites in their rankings but we all know nothing happened about that. Frankly, Google will do whatever will bring in the most ad revenue. Damn us all! |
2014-02-11, 05:34 AM | #6 |
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I saw this story last week and even witnessed some impact from some of my merchants.
There is pros and cons here to this story, but for some they make a solid living on legitimate stuff. I know there are also others out there that are distributing pirated content and they are also killing it for legit content producers... Damned if you do, damned if you don't... |
2014-02-11, 06:58 AM | #7 |
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Yes Jason is right, the legitimate people could get killed from this much like link list owners were years ago when google gave all of the traffic to stealing pirated tube sutes. Let's face it, when ALL the tubes strated they used stolen content. Many run legit now but it wasn't always like that.
I see this as either nothing will happen or the small guys will get killed again. I doubt google will drop the big boys from their listings as the small tubes usually "scrape" their videos from xvideos, xhamster and the other ones. They could get bigger which is a scary thought. Google is and always will be the biggest pirate site on the internet since they link to it ALL |
2014-02-11, 10:26 AM | #8 |
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I would think (and hope) that us freesite builders are making them appear as part of a larger network as opposed to a stand-alone 4 page site by linking to the main pages of each from a hub page on the index/main page of the domain, where the surfer would have already seen a warning page.
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2014-02-11, 12:43 PM | #9 | |
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APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE FOR THE LONG POST TO THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE TO READ.
CLIFF NOTES: LAZY BASTARDS CAN JUST READ THE FIXES AND PS. Quote:
1. That "larger network" mentioned must be more than a page with a lot of links to other index pages of free sites on that domain. Otherwise that kind of thin content prevents the hub from gaining much traction, even with incoming links from good quality link list pages. And having a large network of interlinked old-style one-page hubs like that will also work against you. THE FIX: The old one-page hub concept needs to evolve into sites with much more depth of content that focuses on the category/niche of that hub. Redevelopment can turn those potential bad neighborhoods into nice destinations. But unless submitters grow their hubs into something besides a thin portal site, linking to them or deep-linking to their free sites' index pages just turns the link list into a directory of neighborhoods Big G suggests that you detour around. Which leads to the second problem... 2. The other problem is that most of the free site and link list world is still using the 20th century reciprocal links model. Not only is that dated, I believe it can now be considered dangerous. The damage you may have seen done by the Penguins, the Pandas and the recent Hummingbird are just the start. All the Big G has to do is tweak a bit of code and the current "you must link to me to be listed" model can be added to the other link schemes that they're now penalizing. Here's the thing...if we're only thinking of the BIG tube sites as our enemies, and not looking at them with a microscope to find out what makes them so successful, we're ignoring a source of valuable information. We talk about how the "pirate" sites built their traffic by letting users submit whatever they wanted with no controls in place to verify ownership of the videos. (Okay, yes, some also used other means to get lots of videos online quickly at first...but I hope we all know by now that was mostly only needed to achieve a certain critical mass, a point when there were enough users and enough content online for the organic growth process to become a serious factor when you add in big link and media buys, social likes, etc.). Anyway, we can talk about all the other details of those terrible BIG tubes later, but right now my point is that there's something those tubes did *not* do when they were starting to grow from nothing to huge...and something they still don't today. They don't ask users/submitters to link back to their tube site when they submit a video. And if a content partner submits a video the BIG tube will give a couple of text links and sometimes a banner link back to the submitter. So the tube site may link to the submitter's site (in the case of content partners), but the submitter is never asked to link to the tube site. Okay, we can assume that the guys who run those big tubes never heard of the reciprocal link model in use by TGPs, Link Lists, Directories and other similar listing sites. Or we can assume they did know and even thought about ways to use it themselves. Personally I'm going with the second assumption. Then the question becomes, why didn't they want the millions of reciprocal links they could have by asking for links like TGPs, LLs and others do? Sure, we can say it's because the users didn't have a website where they were hosting the video and from where they could also link to the tube site. But that's too easy an answer isn't it? I mean, all they had to do was tell the submitter that a requirement is that they have to go post the tube site's URL of the video on a surfer board, forum, or somewhere else online. So, the largest, most heavily trafficked porn sites ever in existence do not use reciprocal linking. And it would seem that they do that by choice. While we periodically just have discussions about whether there might be some other ways to do reciprocal links. Like maybe a link from the home page of the site instead? Or maybe this or maybe that. And to add to the misery, many of us are still doing link trades. Some even do straight A-B trades. Not that A-B-C or A-B-C-D-whatever are much better. It's the patterns that the latest algorithms detect, not just the links themselves. So we wind up with a lot of sites linking to each other in several ways that are clearly against the webmaster guidelines of the very SE that we're trying to influence in a positive way, and then we commiserate with each other over the fact that the SERPs are being dominated in ways we don't think is fair. THE FIX: Throw away the old reciprocal links model. Completely. Don't tweak it, eliminate it. Instead, ask your submitters nicely to help you get them more traffic and signups by linking to you however they want, from wherever they want, using any URL and anchor text they wish. Yes, in any way they can come up with...*except* from the domain they're submitting to you and *not* using the name of your site. Actively ask surfers to do the same thing, although of course without those unnecessary restrictions. And in both cases, ask them to link often and deep. Add some "If You Like It, Link It" text and/or graphics to your pages. Make getting those kinds of links your priority and you'll not only wind up with more links, but also much more valuable ones and ones that you don't have to worry about being seen as part of a link scheme. -- That's all from me for now, gotta get back to work, but I wanted to get some of those thoughts out so maybe we can start talking about them and, I hope, making some changes that will help everyone. P.S. One other thing the BIG tubes are doing that I don't see most anyone here doing...they collect email addresses of their surfers and then mail them newsletters. Why doesn't every Link List, pic post site, hub, etc have an email collector on each page? Do you folks know how much money you're leaving on the table? Did you never hear the phrase "The Money is in The List?"
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2014-02-11, 06:38 PM | #11 |
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Nice post Simon!
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2014-02-12, 10:41 AM | #12 | ||||
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For those who've been studying what the latest mathematical algorithms the Big G is using seem to be doing, certain things seem to be increasing in importance. Yes, many of the traditional ways to acquire links are being penalized. But it's how those links are being identified that's more interesting. Which is why I wanted to clarify that while it used to be important to rank for your site name, and then later to rank for your specific chosen keywords/phrases, on today's playing field it's incredibly important that your link profile looks as "natural" as possible (in the Big G's eyes I mean), and tracking and managing your link velocity correctly plays into it too. I won't go into the deeper details right now, but in very general terms a Natural Link Profile will be split into four main segments. The site name anchors are only one of those segments, or no more than around 25% of your total inbound links. The other 75% should be a carefully managed mixture of naked URLs, junk/surfer anchors ("click here"), and a certain amount of phrases which are a variation of the site name used in combination with a word or phrase that's semantically related to its primary keywords/phrases (but are *not* the actual words/phrases). Please notice, I did not say that any of the links should be the old-style keyword-rich anchor text. The value of those dropped with the first Penguin back in 2012, and there have been four Penguins that followed, right up to October of last year. The first couple looked mostly at your home page, but later ones looked deeper. If your sites use too much (in their eyes) exact-match anchor text, you probably suffered some loss in the SERPs. Bottom line: If you want to rank better but you already have more than 25% of your inbound links using your site name or your primary keywords/phrases, you need to work on your link profile and make it as natural looking as you can. Keeping in mind that the Big G believes that, in their perfect world, links to your site are added because your site is valuable and popular. So they expect to see not only what they believe is a proper mix of anchors and URLs, but they also expect more links to be added more often as time moves forwards ("link velocity"). I want to mention here that managing incoming links is something that the BIG tubes do very well. They have buyers with strict guidelines adding new links all of the time. One of the reasons for their rapid and huge growth is that they understood what the multiple Panda and Penguin updates and the Social Signals update were doing and took advantage of the opportunity to gain even better SERPs and traffic by managing their link building (buying) like it was media buying. Okay...the majority of board readers probably don't have a big budget for ad buys or link acquisition. Even if you have those things in your operating budget, it's almost certainly not an amount that begins to compare to what the major players are spending today. So if we're not going to be able to outspend your way to the top, at least we can stop sabotaging ourselves by continuing to do the things that worked so very well in the past but are now doing the exact opposite. And that's why I said "Throw away the old reciprocal links model. Completely. Don't tweak it, eliminate it." Every time a LL/TGP or other submission site insists that a webmaster links back to them using the exact same supplied text from the very URL being submitted...somewhere a big tube owner profits just a little more. And the bigger your site is, and the more submissions you get each day, the more that owner profits. I hope that clarifies what I meant. .
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2014-02-12, 10:59 AM | #13 |
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Simon any tips on adding email collecters to a site? I'd like to but have no idea what to do really.
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2014-02-12, 12:16 PM | #14 |
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The linking structure...I find it funny how today part of a normal linking structure is what was once called blind linking. Shit, and if you did that you were called a no good piece of shit blind linking spamming son of a bitch that needs to be whipped...and that's just what UW said I've started to mix up back links in my own stuff but there is a part of me that feels G will come out one day and say all those click here type of links or the keyword links are BS and the only links of importance are links that are exact domain match because if your site is important real people will link to you by your name, blah blah blah. You never know what type of change is going to come from G. Especially when their ad revenue goes up every time they do these big updates. |
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What I suggest is getting a copy of Dada Mail. There's a free version that has a limit of 3 mailing lists, and 1,000 subscribers per list. Once you go past that point you can upgrade without any lost data or need to re-enter anything. The pricing is extremely reasonable for the feature set. http://dadamailproject.com/ I've used it for many years so let me know if you have questions or need a hand with something. Quote:
You can choose not to believe it, but the G has figured out some things by spidering the entire Internet non-stop for years. Those blind links are part of what you must have in order for your link profile to be judged natural. Their montrously huge data set has shown them that most "real people" (not professional webmasters/site owners) will link from their home pages, profiles, or wherever, using things like "click here," "more," "visit this website," "check this out," "you gotta see this," and other terms that we (the PROFESSIONALS) dismiss as spammy blind links. Well, guess what, the Big G thinks a lot more of the opinons of those real people. So it actually values those links a lot more than most people realize. BONUS: Here's one other thing that most people either don't know or have heard but still avoid doing because they can't quite bring themselve to believe it or do it. Let me ask, how often do you think most people here ask someone to link to their site using the rel=NOFOLLOW attribute in the link? With the way that many people insist on getting a specific text and URL combination in the link, I'm guessing not many would want to negate that with an attribute in the link telling the search engines not to follow or give any weight to that link. Well, for those who don't know or don't want to believe...you *need* to have at least 2% nofollow links just to look like the average site which isn't trying to manipulate search rankings. And actually, many sites that rank high for their keywords will have nofollow on 5%, 10%, or even 15% of their inbound links. Why? Because sites that are actually popular with real people will get linked to from places like forums, blog comments, Facebook, Twitter, and many other places which automatically add nofollow to the links. Takeaway: Add enough nofollow links to get to at least that 2% number, and potentially use nofollow to help dilute your exact match keyword links by having it added to some of them too. Okay, you must be tired of reading...'cause I'm tired of writing.
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I agree
I agree I agree NO WAIT! But, when what you think should work doesn't, sometimes it's best to do the complete opposite. I like this discussion But hockey is on & distracting me so I will return, reread, and rereply (That's not a word?!) |
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2014-02-17, 06:12 AM | #18 |
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2014-02-17, 11:36 AM | #19 |
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So have I.
Simon's posts have been great and even thou I have (like most of you) read the G warnings he has talked about I have somewhat ignored them or changing hubs and sites has slowly been pushed down the to do list. Mostly because there has been flashes of the "they are getting liked again" that stops the changes. |
2014-02-17, 11:55 AM | #20 |
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2014-02-17, 09:22 PM | #21 |
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Precisely! Have you done your keyword research lately? You'll see what the top ranking adult sites are, and none of it has anything to do with substance. You'll find on pages 2 or sooner, the criminals and file sharing sites, the pirates and everyone else that generally not us.
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2014-02-18, 10:57 PM | #22 |
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Great thread! Not sure if it was this issue or my Google honeymoon period was up.
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You see, you're supposed to build sites with content that visitors want to see and for which they're willing to spend time on your site. But you also have to understand that this goal is in direct opposition to the concept of wanting to get them to your sponsor's tour as quickly as possible. Further, unless you're selling advertising on your site or BUILDING A LIST, then it may not be in your best interest to keep the visitor on your site too long. The first step must be strategy. Only then can the tactics be evaluated. Decide why each of your sites exists. Do you have sites where you're trying to build longer time on site, longer time on page, and more pages per visitor? Have you considered that unless you're selling advertising on your site or BUILDING A LIST, you're spending a good part of every work day working against your own interests? Quote:
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And yes, content is definitely needed on that page/site if you ever want it to get any SE traffic. But you also want to think about how the Big G will view your incoming link profile. Unless I'm looking at the wrong site, having almost 60K incoming links from only 9 domains (on only 7 different IPs) isn't going to do you any good. Plus too many links with your exact match domain (EMD), which is no longer a good idea (in fact it's been a bad idea since at least September 2012 when Google rolled out (admitted to) its EMD update). And now the obligatory... Hockey! Olympics! Snow! Ice! Go USA! |macho_guy_ice_dancing_smilie|
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