LL Submitters: Please check your sites in Mozilla/FireFox! - Page 2

tickler · 2005-04-09, 12:42 AM

I had one post that was rejected because it didn't work in FireFox.

So after getting Firefox, and looking at the pages, the dumbass program was defaulting table colors to white, not my page background color. And of course white text on white background don't work too good.

venturi · 2005-04-09, 03:45 AM

Ok, here's my take on some of the dissenting opinions expressed so far.

There are a couple ways to look at browsers in your stats.
1) What Browser are they, the surfer, using. This is good thinking. Know thy surfer (spelled CUSTOMER) and make your sites work with their browser. Thinking that only the newbie surfer sheep running on MS IE are your only viable customers is just plain ignorant. There are hundreds of thousands, probably millions, of horny surfers with open wallets that just plain hate MS IE. Maybe they come from the old Netscape school and when it became Mozilla they kept with it rather than going IE. New to the web doesn't mean open wallets anymore. Your BEST customers are likely more savy surfers that Know What They Want. Just because they "only" represent 10% to 25% of your customer base are you willing to throw them out? If so, PLEASE, PLEASE send them to my sites.

2. What Version of a given browser are your surfers using. If you see MS IE v4 or older or Netscape 4.x or older then Yes these surfers are likely not viable customers. The reason being if they aren't willing to keep current, at all, with their OS and accompanying software on their own computer(s) then they probably aren't worth the time it would take to create a marketing campaign for them - even IF they could view your sites to begin with.

As a business owner I am hesitant to disregard even 5% of my potential customer base - that's 1 out of every 20 people that visit my store! Imagine if BestBuy were to based upon some archaic algorithm of demographics it ignored every redhead that entered their stores. It's hard enough to get good ratios without self-imposing limitations on your own prospective profits.

JanTM · 2005-04-09, 11:02 AM

UW,
I have no disdain for you... I just don't agree with the reasons for using Firefox that most people have.
I work with online porn as all of you do... and I have no - or very very few - problems with IE.
Sure IE was unstable and what not in the past - no argument there. But that was then. That was we had Netscape as a serious alternative.

Mr. Blue,
No I do not work for M$... but if they offer me a well paid job I'm game

The point I was trying to make in my previous post was: "Don't invent problems that may not be there".
Its not about ignoring red-heads. Its about time management and the 80/20 rule.

In the interest of not looking like a complete jerk I actually just downloaded Firefox and installed it. So far all my sites look exactly like they are supposed to. So it appears I don't have a problem.
But lets imagine that my free sites were looking off or some colors were screwed up. Would I then spend the time to go back and correct them all because <2% "might" have a problem seeing them?
My answer is: no way

stuveltje · 2005-04-09, 01:57 PM

what i see that some banners of mine dont appear in firefoxs but then i use alt tags and text under my banners and those will be seen in firefoxs, i still use ie, and most of my surfers are, so i keep it with ie...kick my ass i dont care

Mishi · 2005-04-10, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by stuveltje

what i see that some banners of mine dont appear in firefoxs but then i use alt tags and text under my banners and those will be seen in firefoxs, i still use ie, and most of my surfers are, so i keep it with ie...kick my ass i dont care

See, to me, that's like saying, "I paid for ads in The New York Times and the Village Voice. My ads don't show up in the Voice, but that's okay, the Times will cover it."

You're letting people look at your galleries and sites, for free, without seeing your advertising. I know you well enough, Stu, to assume you're using plenty of text, so the loss of a banner or two may not actually be a big deal for you. But I still can't condone suggesting that anyone just blow off a large potential revenue source.

As I mentioned before - and this is directed at everybody who doesn't want to "optimize for all browsers" - if your sites work in Mozilla browsers, they probably will work in most browsers. Aim for the highest common denominator, not the lowest.

In case people aren't aware, FireFox is free.

2005-04-09, 12:42 AM	#1
tickler If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,177	I had one post that was rejected because it didn't work in FireFox. So after getting Firefox, and looking at the pages, the dumbass program was defaulting table colors to white, not my page background color. And of course white text on white background don't work too good. __________________ Latina Twins, Solo, NN, Hardcore Latin Teen Cash

2005-04-09, 03:45 AM	#2
venturi No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: An Oasis atop a High Desert Mesa Posts: 282	Ok, here's my take on some of the dissenting opinions expressed so far. There are a couple ways to look at browsers in your stats. 1) What Browser are they, the surfer, using. This is good thinking. Know thy surfer (spelled CUSTOMER) and make your sites work with their browser. Thinking that only the newbie surfer sheep running on MS IE are your only viable customers is just plain ignorant. There are hundreds of thousands, probably millions, of horny surfers with open wallets that just plain hate MS IE. Maybe they come from the old Netscape school and when it became Mozilla they kept with it rather than going IE. New to the web doesn't mean open wallets anymore. Your BEST customers are likely more savy surfers that Know What They Want. Just because they "only" represent 10% to 25% of your customer base are you willing to throw them out? If so, PLEASE, PLEASE send them to my sites. 2. What Version of a given browser are your surfers using. If you see MS IE v4 or older or Netscape 4.x or older then Yes these surfers are likely not viable customers. The reason being if they aren't willing to keep current, at all, with their OS and accompanying software on their own computer(s) then they probably aren't worth the time it would take to create a marketing campaign for them - even IF they could view your sites to begin with. As a business owner I am hesitant to disregard even 5% of my potential customer base - that's 1 out of every 20 people that visit my store! Imagine if BestBuy were to based upon some archaic algorithm of demographics it ignored every redhead that entered their stores. It's hard enough to get good ratios without self-imposing limitations on your own prospective profits. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2005-04-09, 11:02 AM	#3
JanTM Hello, is this President Clinton? Good! I figured if anyone knew where to get some tang it would be you Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 446	UW, I have no disdain for you... I just don't agree with the reasons for using Firefox that most people have. I work with online porn as all of you do... and I have no - or very very few - problems with IE. Sure IE was unstable and what not in the past - no argument there. But that was then. That was we had Netscape as a serious alternative. Mr. Blue, No I do not work for M$... but if they offer me a well paid job I'm game The point I was trying to make in my previous post was: "Don't invent problems that may not be there". Its not about ignoring red-heads. Its about time management and the 80/20 rule. In the interest of not looking like a complete jerk I actually just downloaded Firefox and installed it. So far all my sites look exactly like they are supposed to. So it appears I don't have a problem. But lets imagine that my free sites were looking off or some colors were screwed up. Would I then spend the time to go back and correct them all because <2% "might" have a problem seeing them? My answer is: no way __________________ Tittius Maximus - Retired

2005-04-09, 01:57 PM	#4
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	what i see that some banners of mine dont appear in firefoxs but then i use alt tags and text under my banners and those will be seen in firefoxs, i still use ie, and most of my surfers are, so i keep it with ie...kick my ass i dont care __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit