What does it take to be lucrative in the freesite game nowadays? - Page 2

PR_Tom · 2005-10-14, 10:35 PM

It can be a tough business. There's people making money from free sites, the link pages of their own where they list them, the extra ads on such pages.. Their whole network of sites. I can see it in their stats, so I'm sure.
It's not just getting a free site to a link list though, it's building up from there.

There has to be a willingness to learn also, and attend the chats even if you think you know what you're doing and can do no wrong

The old "80/20/10" rule is in full force at all times. You can tell 10 people exactly what to do to make money, 8 wont do it for whatever reason (too hard, too much work, dont understand etc), 2 will try to apply it, and only 1 will succeed with it. So you have to be that 1 in 10 person and sprinkle on a little luck.

Try new things. Here's something that is a truism I guess.
"If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always gotten.".

So if you submit 10 freesites a week and get 1 sale a week and never change anything, then you'll get 1 sale a week for the rest of your life.

Try a new format, try a new sponsor, try a new site at your sponsor, try a new niche you've never tried before. Try a different content provider, try making your pics bigger. Try asking a link list owner what category gets the most raw hits. Try submitting to new link lists, try old link lists you never really tried. Try finding link lists with search engines. *ANYTHING* new!! Ever open photoshop to make a custom banner? Try it!!

You can most definitely make money from "just free sites" as long as that doesnt mean index, main, 2 galleries and submit. It's alot more than that.

plateman · 2005-10-15, 02:50 AM

great read guys and I got a little bummed out reading what bill said, but I see what I am doing now and know what needs to be done to go to the next level, I remember what linkster said a long time ago - it takes a min 1 year just to get the hang of this and a good buddy of mine who is making well over 50k a year didnt make hardly anything there first year.. I am going on my 3 year and started a LL just after 10 free sites built..

Is the LL doing as good as I want it to be - NO but that isnt no problem, start another one and target a specific SE,

dont waste a lot of time in a LL early on - build and build and you will soon see that free sites just dont generate a lot of traffic, so go to galleries...

IMO you need a 100k a day of traffic coming into a domain root all filtered out to your free sites and galleries to make a good income... you got to see those big traffic numbers to make bank..

the older LL owners by 5-10 years have the traffic that makes them decent money and with free sites and galleries they can make killer cash..

heck some people have 2 or 3 LL a bunch of smaller hubs and been subbing galleries everyday for years and know wich ones convert the best..

the question was just free sites, I know for a fact that you can make 8 to 9 hundred a month steady off of 100 SE friendly that gets se traffic - so do the math..

yes this biz is a lot of work and when you work for your self it is a lot of work..

Linkster · 2005-10-15, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

"If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always gotten.".

Tom - thats gotta be one of my favorite quotes of all time - and so very true! And it applies to everything in life - not just this biz - I used to have that and one other quote hanging on my wall of my office at the corporate job I worked for some time - and finally I "got it" and took the step getting into this full time

BTW - my other favorite quote was "you are either part of the steam roller or part of the road"

Bill · 2005-10-15, 12:56 PM

Funny thing, I started this debate thinking it would cheer people up, apparently it had the opposite effect.

So I reverse my position. Making a k a week is fairly easy in this business.

Me, I have to make a k a week just to make my nut. ("making the nut" means to cover business expenses, taxes, and basic living expenses - it's an old business expression) If I can do it, anyone should be able to do it, because, frankly, I don't work that hard.

So, everthing I was saying, I was just kidding. If you're not making 50k in a year, I'm sure you will be soon.

As I've always said, this is the best home-based business ever invented. I truly believe that.

So, like I said, I was just kidding.

Useless · 2005-10-15, 01:37 PM

I like the much more realistic approach to business than the motivational speaker approach. Most of us don't have the "if I can dream it, I can do it attitude" because we are realists. Being a realist doesn't mean were necesarily pessimistic either. We're just willing to acknowledge the known hurdles and toss in normal human behaviour. Most people aren't going to build 5-6 free sites per week and submit them. Why? It's bloody boring, that's why. Most of the shit we do is really fucking mundane. When I say that someone can't come along and make a living off of free sites, I'm not saying that it's entirely impossible. I'm saying that the average person couldn't. You'd need to be a mix of highly motivated and skilled. Most aren't.

ponygirl · 2005-10-15, 02:12 PM

nothing anyone else can say will discourage me. If I need to feel discouraged, I can do a fine job all by myself, thank you

the point to me is not 'can I get rich' doing this, it's can I make enough money to keep doing it ft, pay my personal bills & still have enough money left to put some back into it. So far, the answer has been yes, because to be honest, I really don't invest that much cash in it right now. Content & bandwidth is cheap, and I can see that freesites will provide me with enough to do what I want to do. A year from now, I will have more domains, more hubs, maybe get into more gallery posts, etc. whatever, but I won't be doing just freesites & expecting to be making 50k.
Most people here know that, I think.

It's a business. I didn't get into porn just cuz I like looking at naked people ya know

Being mean is not helpful, being realistic is. This discussion has been very helpful imo.

Halfdeck · 2005-10-15, 02:32 PM

As long as I see more sales the harder I work, I'll be happy in this biz. And no, I won't build free sites every damn day because that'll drive me crazy. Maybe I need to sit myself down and set up a well-oiled system where i can build free sites a day in 30 min flat, but that's another story.

Unlike working for a boss, there's no one in this biz telling you you're only gonna get paid X dollars an hour after working there for 20 years or you gotta come into work at Y am or get fired because you messed something up.

Realistic is good, but no one really knows what real is. 50 years ago, there was no Ebay or ipod or HDTV. You can either accept that, or change it.

Hmm... that all sounded like a motivational speaker approach

Here's a dose of reality: "Many are called, few are chosen."

MrYum · 2005-10-15, 02:46 PM

Very true...I've done the 'cranking out free sites' approach. Frankly, I pretty much burned myself out on it. It does get boring and tedious as hell after a while.

So, now I'm still lauching new free sites, but not on the 3/day scale I was doing for a while.

Yes, there is certainly money to be made in the business. The thing that keeps me going at it is I really figure as long as there are men on the planet...there will be porn

As has been alluded to already, it takes a wider approach than just free sites. It's actually one of the very cool things about this biz...there are lots of ways to generate traffic/revenue. And exploring some of those other avenues beyond just free sites also helps keep the burnout at bay to some extent.

The kinds of hours we work are certainly prime for burnout. I've been stuck in that mindset for the past few weeks, but think I've finally shaken it off and am ready to get jiggy with things again

mrenaud · 2005-10-15, 02:51 PM

It comes down to how motivated and driven one is. Either you do the things needed to be successful or you don't.

Of all the people I know who own successful businesses (there are a lot) not one of them got to where they are without a plan and working hard to execute that plan. There are no short cuts to success!

With that in mind I need to build some sites

Surfn · 2005-10-15, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponygirl

nothing anyone else can say will discourage me. If I need to feel discouraged, I can do a fine job all by myself, thank you

the point to me is not 'can I get rich' doing this, it's can I make enough money to keep doing it ft, pay my personal bills & still have enough money left to put some back into it. So far, the answer has been yes, because to be honest, I really don't invest that much cash in it right now. Content & bandwidth is cheap, and I can see that freesites will provide me with enough to do what I want to do. A year from now, I will have more domains, more hubs, maybe get into more gallery posts, etc. whatever, but I won't be doing just freesites & expecting to be making 50k.
Most people here know that, I think.

It's a business. I didn't get into porn just cuz I like looking at naked people ya know

Being mean is not helpful, being realistic is. This discussion has been very helpful imo.

You are on your way keep it up

ponygirl · 2005-10-16, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surfn

You are on your way keep it up

Thank you, Surfn - that's very encouraging
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Jel · 2005-10-16, 02:05 AM

I was going to post quite a long post, but it turned into a garbled mish-mash of shit, so instead:

Yes, I think you can make 50k a year from freesites. In your first year, starting from absolute scratch with no knowledge, no sales expertise, like many of us (myself for sure) started? Nope. In your second year? Yep.

BlackCrayon · 2005-10-16, 04:16 PM

i find writing down a schedule for yourself can help, or chop things up into days. make 7 free sites one day, use the galleries from the free sites to make galleries to submit the next. dedicate one day for SE work and another day for various other projects. its hard to keep up without someone on your ass but thats how it goes when you're self employed. i just gotta get used to working 8 hour days again. it still pisses me off how as the years pass we have to work harder for less income.

stfuvt · 2005-12-02, 12:13 PM

great info here

jds · 2005-12-02, 03:23 PM

Noob question : Could I see an exemple of a hub please ?

Surfn · 2005-12-02, 03:43 PM

Here ya go

jds · 2005-12-02, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surfn

Here ya go

It's not funny .... well actually it is

I was more waiting for this in fact but anyway

KG Gary · 2005-12-02, 04:45 PM

You folks are insane!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jds

Noob question : Could I see an exemple of a hub please ?

There's a few examples of what people consider to be hubs in this thread from a while back:
(I think it's still relevant two years on)
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ead.php?t=3130

Hope that helps.

Bill · 2005-12-02, 04:59 PM

Hubs can take a thousand different forms, from highly niched to very general, from a single full page ad to a thousand page fully developed search engine content site.

Here's an example of one of my hubs, which looks like a small linklist.

http://www.2freeporno.com/

I have a few dozen hubs of various types. When you are starting out, one will do perfectly fine.

It's basically a page or site on which you list your own domains, pages, freesites, gallerys, and whatever else you want. It can include reviews, full page ads, link exchanges with your friends, listings of your friends freesites (friends who list your freesites on their hub), articles you write, jokes, images to attract google images traffic, and whatever else you like.

The example I gave is a clean hub, no popups or tricks, but some people swear by dirty hubs that pop chains and are filled with blind links and traps.

The common practice is to include links to your hub on your freesites as part of your allowed links.

jds · 2005-12-02, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KG Gary

You folks are insane!

There's a few examples of what people consider to be hubs in this thread from a while back:
(I think it's still relevant two years on)
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ead.php?t=3130

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the link too. I'll read all that carefully

jds · 2005-12-02, 05:14 PM

Ok I get it, thanks bill that's appreciated

2005-10-14, 10:35 PM	#1
PR_Tom Nobody gets into heaven without a glowstick Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 423	It can be a tough business. There's people making money from free sites, the link pages of their own where they list them, the extra ads on such pages.. Their whole network of sites. I can see it in their stats, so I'm sure. It's not just getting a free site to a link list though, it's building up from there. There has to be a willingness to learn also, and attend the chats even if you think you know what you're doing and can do no wrong The old "80/20/10" rule is in full force at all times. You can tell 10 people exactly what to do to make money, 8 wont do it for whatever reason (too hard, too much work, dont understand etc), 2 will try to apply it, and only 1 will succeed with it. So you have to be that 1 in 10 person and sprinkle on a little luck. Try new things. Here's something that is a truism I guess. "If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always gotten.". So if you submit 10 freesites a week and get 1 sale a week and never change anything, then you'll get 1 sale a week for the rest of your life. Try a new format, try a new sponsor, try a new site at your sponsor, try a new niche you've never tried before. Try a different content provider, try making your pics bigger. Try asking a link list owner what category gets the most raw hits. Try submitting to new link lists, try old link lists you never really tried. Try finding link lists with search engines. ANYTHING new!! Ever open photoshop to make a custom banner? Try it!! You can most definitely make money from "just free sites" as long as that doesnt mean index, main, 2 galleries and submit. It's alot more than that. __________________ PimpRoll

2005-10-15, 02:50 AM	#2
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	great read guys and I got a little bummed out reading what bill said, but I see what I am doing now and know what needs to be done to go to the next level, I remember what linkster said a long time ago - it takes a min 1 year just to get the hang of this and a good buddy of mine who is making well over 50k a year didnt make hardly anything there first year.. I am going on my 3 year and started a LL just after 10 free sites built.. Is the LL doing as good as I want it to be - NO but that isnt no problem, start another one and target a specific SE, dont waste a lot of time in a LL early on - build and build and you will soon see that free sites just dont generate a lot of traffic, so go to galleries... IMO you need a 100k a day of traffic coming into a domain root all filtered out to your free sites and galleries to make a good income... you got to see those big traffic numbers to make bank.. the older LL owners by 5-10 years have the traffic that makes them decent money and with free sites and galleries they can make killer cash.. heck some people have 2 or 3 LL a bunch of smaller hubs and been subbing galleries everyday for years and know wich ones convert the best.. the question was just free sites, I know for a fact that you can make 8 to 9 hundred a month steady off of 100 SE friendly that gets se traffic - so do the math.. yes this biz is a lot of work and when you work for your self it is a lot of work.. __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2005-10-15, 01:37 PM	#5
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	I like the much more realistic approach to business than the motivational speaker approach. Most of us don't have the "if I can dream it, I can do it attitude" because we are realists. Being a realist doesn't mean were necesarily pessimistic either. We're just willing to acknowledge the known hurdles and toss in normal human behaviour. Most people aren't going to build 5-6 free sites per week and submit them. Why? It's bloody boring, that's why. Most of the shit we do is really fucking mundane. When I say that someone can't come along and make a living off of free sites, I'm not saying that it's entirely impossible. I'm saying that the average person couldn't. You'd need to be a mix of highly motivated and skilled. Most aren't. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-10-15, 02:12 PM	#6
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	nothing anyone else can say will discourage me. If I need to feel discouraged, I can do a fine job all by myself, thank you the point to me is not 'can I get rich' doing this, it's can I make enough money to keep doing it ft, pay my personal bills & still have enough money left to put some back into it. So far, the answer has been yes, because to be honest, I really don't invest that much cash in it right now. Content & bandwidth is cheap, and I can see that freesites will provide me with enough to do what I want to do. A year from now, I will have more domains, more hubs, maybe get into more gallery posts, etc. whatever, but I won't be doing just freesites & expecting to be making 50k. Most people here know that, I think. It's a business. I didn't get into porn just cuz I like looking at naked people ya know Being mean is not helpful, being realistic is. This discussion has been very helpful imo. __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources

2005-10-15, 02:32 PM	#7
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	As long as I see more sales the harder I work, I'll be happy in this biz. And no, I won't build free sites every damn day because that'll drive me crazy. Maybe I need to sit myself down and set up a well-oiled system where i can build free sites a day in 30 min flat, but that's another story. Unlike working for a boss, there's no one in this biz telling you you're only gonna get paid X dollars an hour after working there for 20 years or you gotta come into work at Y am or get fired because you messed something up. Realistic is good, but no one really knows what real is. 50 years ago, there was no Ebay or ipod or HDTV. You can either accept that, or change it. Hmm... that all sounded like a motivational speaker approach Here's a dose of reality: "Many are called, few are chosen." __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2005-10-15, 12:56 PM	#4
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Funny thing, I started this debate thinking it would cheer people up, apparently it had the opposite effect. So I reverse my position. Making a k a week is fairly easy in this business. Me, I have to make a k a week just to make my nut. ("making the nut" means to cover business expenses, taxes, and basic living expenses - it's an old business expression) If I can do it, anyone should be able to do it, because, frankly, I don't work that hard. So, everthing I was saying, I was just kidding. If you're not making 50k in a year, I'm sure you will be soon. As I've always said, this is the best home-based business ever invented. I truly believe that. So, like I said, I was just kidding.

2005-10-15, 02:46 PM	#8
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Very true...I've done the 'cranking out free sites' approach. Frankly, I pretty much burned myself out on it. It does get boring and tedious as hell after a while. So, now I'm still lauching new free sites, but not on the 3/day scale I was doing for a while. Yes, there is certainly money to be made in the business. The thing that keeps me going at it is I really figure as long as there are men on the planet...there will be porn As has been alluded to already, it takes a wider approach than just free sites. It's actually one of the very cool things about this biz...there are lots of ways to generate traffic/revenue. And exploring some of those other avenues beyond just free sites also helps keep the burnout at bay to some extent. The kinds of hours we work are certainly prime for burnout. I've been stuck in that mindset for the past few weeks, but think I've finally shaken it off and am ready to get jiggy with things again __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-10-15, 02:51 PM	#9
mrenaud If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 240	It comes down to how motivated and driven one is. Either you do the things needed to be successful or you don't. Of all the people I know who own successful businesses (there are a lot) not one of them got to where they are without a plan and working hard to execute that plan. There are no short cuts to success! With that in mind I need to build some sites

2005-10-16, 02:05 AM	#12
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	I was going to post quite a long post, but it turned into a garbled mish-mash of shit, so instead: Yes, I think you can make 50k a year from freesites. In your first year, starting from absolute scratch with no knowledge, no sales expertise, like many of us (myself for sure) started? Nope. In your second year? Yep.

2005-10-16, 04:16 PM	#13
BlackCrayon Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 20	i find writing down a schedule for yourself can help, or chop things up into days. make 7 free sites one day, use the galleries from the free sites to make galleries to submit the next. dedicate one day for SE work and another day for various other projects. its hard to keep up without someone on your ass but thats how it goes when you're self employed. i just gotta get used to working 8 hour days again. it still pisses me off how as the years pass we have to work harder for less income.

2005-12-02, 12:13 PM	#14
stfuvt My wife is not a doobie to be passed around! On our wedding day I promised to bogart her for life! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 278	great info here

2005-12-02, 03:23 PM	#15
jds Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 98	Noob question : Could I see an exemple of a hub please ?

2005-12-02, 03:43 PM	#16
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	Here ya go __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2005-12-02, 04:59 PM	#19
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Hubs can take a thousand different forms, from highly niched to very general, from a single full page ad to a thousand page fully developed search engine content site. Here's an example of one of my hubs, which looks like a small linklist. http://www.2freeporno.com/ I have a few dozen hubs of various types. When you are starting out, one will do perfectly fine. It's basically a page or site on which you list your own domains, pages, freesites, gallerys, and whatever else you want. It can include reviews, full page ads, link exchanges with your friends, listings of your friends freesites (friends who list your freesites on their hub), articles you write, jokes, images to attract google images traffic, and whatever else you like. The example I gave is a clean hub, no popups or tricks, but some people swear by dirty hubs that pop chains and are filled with blind links and traps. The common practice is to include links to your hub on your freesites as part of your allowed links.

2005-12-02, 05:14 PM	#21
jds Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 98	Ok I get it, thanks bill that's appreciated