The Official Who's Dissapointed With the last Google update thread - Page 2

xxxjay · 2003-11-24, 07:41 PM

Alphawolf - I think I had mentioned up somewhere earlier on this thread that I suspected that Google may be severing ties with DMOZ.

I'm sure there is a DMOZ editor or two that will read this and get pissed, but if you think about it - why would anyone spend time reviewing websites if they didn't have an interest at stake...like adding as many their own sites into it as possible.

I've even head of, since only DMOZ editors can approve other DMOZ editors, they will apply to themselves with another email address, approve themselves, and then be controling new cats.

The only way that whole thing could be done fairly is if they paid people that had no interest in the industry they are approving sites for - but then that's just yahoo...

Jezebel · 2003-11-24, 09:36 PM

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I'm sure there is a DMOZ editor or two that will read this and get pissed, but if you think about it - why would anyone spend time reviewing websites if they didn't have an interest at stake...like adding as many their own sites into it as possible.

That's an attitude that a lot of people share - particularly in the Adult industry. The answer to a question like "Why would anybody spend time at dmoz unless there was something in it for them?" can't be explained if someone has to ask the question in the first place. To be a (good) dmoz editor you have to be altruistic.

You know what bugs me about adult webmasters complaining about dmoz editors? Have you got any idea how hard some editors work to keep the Adult section clean from spamming and cheating webmasters and editors? The cleaner our section is for our surfers the better for you guys, as the non-cheating webmasters find their sites listed quicker as we deal with the spammers.

Why do I do it? I LOVE editing. Believe it or not, I really do like reviewing your submissions, sorting them into categories, writing descriptions - dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's. I'm a nerd, basically. I build ordinary porn sites yet I work all over Adult including the Shopping section, the Link Sites, TGP area, Software, Webmaster Resources. Outside of Adult I tend to work in Society but I've also worked in Shopping and Business and have the permissions necessary to work anywhere I like.

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I've even head of, since only DMOZ editors can approve other DMOZ editors, they will apply to themselves with another email address, approve themselves, and then be controling new cats.

|rasta| Since the only editors that can approve new applications are Category Moderators, Metas and Staff, why would anybody at this level need to set themselves up as another editor? Don't believe everything you hear.

Alphawolf · 2003-11-24, 09:38 PM

Jay,

Yeah- DMOZ is a PITA. A site of mine that was submitted 1 YEAR ago and confirmed to be in the correct category is still 'in the que'.

I'm not sure why Google would penalize people for being listed though- that makes no sense.

Hand checking without massive amounts of people and money is not very useful in Internet time.

I never really understood the hand check deal anyways. Once you are in the directory your site is in. They don't check it like once a month to make sure it's still the same- they couldn't.

So, a site that was submitted and accepted a couple years ago could be and probably *is* a totally different site today.

Unless the site is monitored every so often hand checking to get into a category means virtually nothing. At least, I don't understand the rational for it. <shrug>

Alphawolf · 2003-11-24, 09:48 PM

Jezebel,

>>>I'm a nerd, basically. I build ordinary porn sites yet I work all over Adult including the Shopping section, the Link Sites, TGP area, Software, Webmaster Resources. Outside of Adult I tend to work in Society but I've also worked in Shopping and Business and have the permissions necessary to work anywhere I like.<<<

Isn't an editor supposed to have *nothing* to do with the category they review?

Also, isn't it the case that any single domain is only allowed 2 listings- one in a category and one in Regional? Some sites have more than 2 listings.

Oh, well- I guess if you get through good adult sites, good for you.

Jezebel · 2003-11-24, 10:27 PM

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Isn't an editor supposed to have *nothing* to do with the category they review?

Where did you get that from? Applicants with experience in a category are welcome.

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Also, isn't it the case that any single domain is only allowed 2 listings- one in a category and one in Regional? Some sites have more than 2 listings.

Domain? You must mean site. There are some occasions where a site can be listed more than two times, particularly when it has a strong regional, national and international influence but that's not something I ever come across in the Adult/ section. If you've got a beef about sites that have more than two listings, send the URLs to me and I'll take a look at them.

Alphawolf · 2003-11-24, 10:45 PM

Jezebel,

Where did I get that? Dunno- I think in clicking around to become an editor and reading the initial application.

Rather not report any sites. best not to rock the boat.

Linkster · 2003-11-24, 11:04 PM

In defense of the adult side of DMOZ - and Im not on the staff there- Jezebel and a gaggle of others over there do a fantastic job - especially knowing that its all volunteer - and there are avenues to check a submit you've done to find out the status - Ive dont it myself recently and the response was immediate and helpful.

In the past there have been isolated instances (actually way in the past there were a heck of a lot) of people abusing their positions there - but that seems to have been weeded out pretty well on the adult side - the mainstream side I wont comment on

As far as the question about multiple domain entries - I know I have many domains with loads of listings - that comes with the territory of building free sites on the same domain - you can have as many sites as you want on a domain and each is considered separately for DMOZ - as they should be.

Ive seen a lot of bad entries get cleaned out of the adult side as well which in my experience has been good for the biz - the cat editors seem to take a good personal interest in their cats.

the original issue with the DMOZ directory and Google - I dont believe that Google has brought in a good RDF for a while - the results look like Google is trying to parse the database with filters that arent responding correctly - and unlike the past when they did all of this on a datacenter that nobody knew about before they made it live, so many know about all of the datacenters now that Google has given up trying to do it in the background and just lets whatever they have at the moment go live

I have to believe, and based on the hard results that appear on reloads, that the update of the directory, the PR update and a few other things are not done - and wont be for a few days.

Forgot - actually I believe the cat editors are encouraged to have experience in the category they are editing - and are allowed to add their own sites if they fit the cat.

dallasdeb · 2003-11-24, 11:05 PM

I applied to be a DMOZ editor in the 'For Women' category a few months ago and got accepted, in spite of the fact that my main area in the biz is 'For Women'. Since then I have applied for other categories and been accepted.

One of the main things I have noticed is how hard DMOZ editors actually work, the job is enormous and they have to contend with cheats, spammers and massive queues of sites waiting to get listed. If you are wondering why your sites take so long to get get listed, I would imagine its because there are too many sites and not enough editors to do the job.

Want to get your sites listed faster? Then apply to become an editor and do it yourself. But before you can do that you must clean up the sites in front of you. Cos if you cheat you will get thrown out. In spite of all the things you might read about DMOZ, the editors in charge keep a close eye on what is going on and editors who cheat dont last too long. And if you find a site that breaks the rules, report it and it WILL get checked out.

If you dont have the time or the inclination to become an editor then stop whingeing and let the editors that are there do their job.

xxxjay · 2003-11-24, 11:14 PM

It's a simple equation:

Having even one site in the category you are editing = bias

I doubt in the history of DMOZ there has never been a time when an editor has rejected his own site.

Linkster · 2003-11-24, 11:21 PM

Jay - Im not so sure if Id call it bias - I think Id call it a perk

and a well deserved one for taking the time to be a volunteer in my book
Now if they were to completely dominate a cat with just their sites thats a different game - and gets editors booted

dallasdeb · 2003-11-24, 11:26 PM

You know something XXXJay? Thats crap. Not only have I rejected my own site I have had to delist sites that belong to friends of mine in the biz!! You dont know what you are talking about.

My site did not fit the DMOZ guidelines and I was not willing to change it to comply so I flicked it. If I had listed sites that were not compliant I would have been kicked out on my ass by now

If you want to make a difference then become an editor and make a difference. If all you want to do is discredit the work of the editors that are working their butts off so that your sites can get listed (presuming of course they fall within the guidelines), then go and do it somewhere else.

xxxjay · 2003-11-25, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by dallasdeb
You know something XXXJay? Thats crap. Not only have I rejected my own site I have had to delist sites that belong to friends of mine in the biz!! You dont know what you are talking about.

My site did not fit the DMOZ guidelines and I was not willing to change it to comply so I flicked it. If I had listed sites that were not compliant I would have been kicked out on my ass by now

If you want to make a difference then become an editor and make a difference. If all you want to do is discredit the work of the editors that are working their butts off so that your sites can get listed (presuming of course they fall within the guidelines), then go and do it somewhere else.

God you DMOZ people are touchy. Ok, yeah really, I must be wrong nothing shady ever goes on at DMOZ...

NOT!

dallasdeb · 2003-11-25, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by xxxjay
God you DMOZ people are touchy.

I wonder why

Alphawolf · 2003-11-25, 12:53 AM

Regarding the multiple listings, I wasn't speaking of free domains.

Example- Salon.com has 689 DMOZ listings.

WMW used to have like 7 or 8, now just 4.

Mystique-magazine.com has 3.

It does make sense if a portion of the site is strong and suited for an additional category, it should be listed.

But a listing for like every other review someone does? Come on.

PlayBoy has 10 listings.

Reviews_and_Previews seems an often used category to create multiple listings.

PlayBoy has a PlayStation 2 listing:

http://directory.google.com/Top/Game...PlayStation_2/

So, if I do reviews of products, games, etc...on my site it will not be a problem to get listed eventually?

Adameve.com have 3 listings. Man, http://directory.google.com/Top/Adul...Opportunities/

Opportunities? Come on.

Why is it a site cannot get a legit listing for a Web Forum under the right category? Chats_and_Forums

Google has 76 listings.

Microsoft- 932 DMOZ listings. (Just 246 Y! listings)

Amazon- 334 listings (just 39 Y! listings)

Ivillage: DMOZ: 611 listings, Y! Directory: 126 listings

MapQuest: DMOZ: 1014 listings , Y! Directory: 8 listings

So, essentially, if I add an E-zine to my adult site with quality content I should get a listing for each and every review, right?

msn.com DMOZ: 2632 listings

Each movie review gets a listing.

If I have a section in a webforum or sub domain dediciated to Adult movie reviews, i can get a listing for each review?

If one just goes down the list of sites via PR:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...TF-8&q=http%3A

And checks dmoz listings they all have rediculous amounts of listings across the board for the most diverse categories. If PlayBoy can get a listing under PlayStation 2 category, would my site be able to?

Having a couple thousand links replicated 100's of times sure comes in handy.

Oddly, joe-schmoe sites gets scruntized for everything. What's the deal with that?

Linkster · 2003-11-25, 06:59 AM

AlphaWolf - actually anyone can do exactly the same thing those guys are doing - an example:
If I take a domain that has something to do with pornstars and I build the main site from the root - I can get that listed in DMOZ.
Now I take a directory and put up a little subsite about Jenna J and add two galleries of 10 pics - and then get that listed in the image galleries section of DMOZ - and can do that hundreds of times with different pornstars
Of course all the while every one of those little subsites has a link back to the main site and the main site has a good sitemap or contents page that lists each of those subsites - an easy way to naturally move page rank around and a good surf for the users
And DMOZ will list each of those subsites usually - I only say usually as sometimes you will run into someone else that has that picture set already on DMOZ

As far as the large sites like msn etc. - Im not sure if building a portal and submitting subpages on varying subjects would fly - but it sure seems to

I dont think DMOZ would have a leg to stand on if they declined your subtopics and not the msns

Very important to remember - their policies dont say anything against submitting multiple sites from the same domain

xxxjay · 2003-11-25, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Linkster
AlphaWolf - actually anyone can do exactly the same thing those guys are doing - an example:
If I take a domain that has something to do with pornstars and I build the main site from the root - I can get that listed in DMOZ.
Now I take a directory and put up a little subsite about Jenna J and add two galleries of 10 pics - and then get that listed in the image galleries section of DMOZ - and can do that hundreds of times with different pornstars
Of course all the while every one of those little subsites has a link back to the main site and the main site has a good sitemap or contents page that lists each of those subsites - an easy way to naturally move page rank around and a good surf for the users
And DMOZ will list each of those subsites usually - I only say usually as sometimes you will run into someone else that has that picture set already on DMOZ

As far as the large sites like msn etc. - Im not sure if building a portal and submitting subpages on varying subjects would fly - but it sure seems to I dont think DMOZ would have a leg to stand on if they declined your subtopics and not the msns

Very important to remember - their policies dont say anything against submitting multiple sites from the same domain

Right there with what you are saying is where 90% of the abuse in DMOZ lies in the sub-site listing shit.

Seems like i have to wait a year for a root listing and these subsites pop up right and left.

Linkster · 2003-11-25, 12:55 PM

Jay - have you tried posting on their board to find out why it hasnt been listed? Usually you'll get a response pretty quickly

Alphawolf · 2003-11-25, 01:09 PM

Linkster,

>>Jay - have you tried posting on their board to find out why it hasnt been listed? Usually you'll get a response pretty quickly<<

I have. Standard answer I get is that it's there. It's still sitting in the que with quite a few others. I ask for even a remote ETA like a month, 4 months less than 6 months...the answer is they can't provide any ETA at all.

I *did* get a regional listing within a couple weeks though.

I'd think as an editor I'd check out sites people post on resource zone because there''s far less chance it's a spam site if people are taking the time to follow up.

I do hope the adult side is more swift.

xxxjay · 2003-11-25, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Linkster
Jay - have you tried posting on their board to find out why it hasnt been listed? Usually you'll get a response pretty quickly

What's the url of the board?

Linkster · 2003-11-25, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by Alphawolf

I do hope the adult side is more swift.

My experience only - but yes a heck of a lot quicker

Alphawolf · 2003-11-25, 01:59 PM

Jay,

http://www.resource-zone.com/

urb · 2003-11-26, 04:31 AM

I keep posting this every time someone mentions Dmoz......

The Adult editors are loads faster than all the other Dmoz sections put together.

SomeCreep · 2003-11-26, 08:12 AM

This google update is unique. I see "news" and "health sites" coming up for certain adult keywords that were once flooded with legit adult website listings. Horrible update. I hope it doesnt stay this way.

GeorgeTH · 2003-11-26, 10:32 PM

I actually dared to write a complaint to Google today... (scary!)

Before the re-indexing I already faced heaps of sites ahead of mine spamming my site name! - now it's absolutely redicilous:
My site TropicHeat.com slipped to position 145 for 'tropicheat' - and almost all 144 results before are spamming my gallery headers (and the majority redirect to the same full-page NastyDollars ad), for "Tropic Heat" in two words it's even worse: position 717 - and almost 600 pages in front spam my name (which I have registered since 1999!) with re-direct porn sites or warez sites...
I'm publishing 'free porn series', and have done so since 1998 (can probably claim to be the first), and until the re-indexing my site was in the top 20 for 'porn series' (position #8 most of the time, position #1 was another of my sites [which I didn't deserve...LOL]), more importantly I know most sites who publish decent series or links to series, and before the re-indexing I thought all results in the top 40-50 were actually representing decent sites with no cheats or pop-up-redirection hell... Now: in the top 40 you won't find a single site offering a single uncensored porn series (you might find heaps of references to series written or filmed about the topic of child porn - but that's it).

So I sat down and pointed these things out in a letter to search-quality@google.com - the (automated) reply is at least promising:

Quote:

Thank you for writing to Google.

We read all of the email we receive and try to send personal responses to each message.

This note is just to let you know that we've received your letter, and you'll hear from us soon. We appreciate your taking the time t
contact us.

Thank you for using Google.

Regards,

The Google Team

I just thought somebody has to tell them they got it wrong...

Alphawolf · 2003-11-27, 12:30 AM

GeorgeTH,

>>I just thought somebody has to tell them they got it wrong...

There are a couple *1000* messages on webmasterworld.com telling them that every day.

Unless 25% of page 1 results are very much off topic the average surfer will just never know or care.

Lots of speculation from some very smart people, but it's all just that.

This is a radical change that caught a lot of people off guard and plenty of clean sites have been wiped from the results.

In the top two AdWords for phrases *all* companies were removed from the results where they had previously held the top spots.

Let's be honest- Google became a virtual monopoly and now they can do what they damn well please. Average surfers will continue to think Google is good unless drastically off-topic results are shown.

The only good thingis that once Y! swicthes to Ink a good chunk of the pie will be split up.

They have some really sophisticated, but immature technology via their purchase of Applied Semantics.

Nothing seems to make sense, and what is reported from one person is countered by others.

Even people who have been posting and reading there for 3 years are trying to gain a hold on the new results.

Probably the most disheartening posts are from people who were sqeeky clean and worked thier asses of playing by the rules and their sites have vanished from thier primary phrases. POOF.

If the results stick more than not- this is an entirely different animal that requires a very light touch of optimization as we know it and more natural linking only from related sites.

Themes.

The entire 'get links with anchor text in your phrase' is dead...if it sticks.

Someone reported some changing on a datacenter resembling pre Florida (as this update has been come to be known) results.

But I didn't see any changes last I checked around 7PM.

Then again it would be Google like to come out with some new filters/algo changes on a Holiday...

<shrug>

2003-11-24, 07:41 PM	#26
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	Alphawolf - I think I had mentioned up somewhere earlier on this thread that I suspected that Google may be severing ties with DMOZ. I'm sure there is a DMOZ editor or two that will read this and get pissed, but if you think about it - why would anyone spend time reviewing websites if they didn't have an interest at stake...like adding as many their own sites into it as possible. I've even head of, since only DMOZ editors can approve other DMOZ editors, they will apply to themselves with another email address, approve themselves, and then be controling new cats. The only way that whole thing could be done fairly is if they paid people that had no interest in the industry they are approving sites for - but then that's just yahoo... __________________ Circle Of Violence

2003-11-24, 09:38 PM	#28
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	Jay, Yeah- DMOZ is a PITA. A site of mine that was submitted 1 YEAR ago and confirmed to be in the correct category is still 'in the que'. I'm not sure why Google would penalize people for being listed though- that makes no sense. Hand checking without massive amounts of people and money is not very useful in Internet time. I never really understood the hand check deal anyways. Once you are in the directory your site is in. They don't check it like once a month to make sure it's still the same- they couldn't. So, a site that was submitted and accepted a couple years ago could be and probably is a totally different site today. Unless the site is monitored every so often hand checking to get into a category means virtually nothing. At least, I don't understand the rational for it. <shrug> __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2003-11-24, 09:48 PM	#29
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	Jezebel, >>>I'm a nerd, basically. I build ordinary porn sites yet I work all over Adult including the Shopping section, the Link Sites, TGP area, Software, Webmaster Resources. Outside of Adult I tend to work in Society but I've also worked in Shopping and Business and have the permissions necessary to work anywhere I like.<<< Isn't an editor supposed to have nothing to do with the category they review? Also, isn't it the case that any single domain is only allowed 2 listings- one in a category and one in Regional? Some sites have more than 2 listings. Oh, well- I guess if you get through good adult sites, good for you. __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2003-11-24, 10:45 PM	#31
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	Jezebel, Where did I get that? Dunno- I think in clicking around to become an editor and reading the initial application. Rather not report any sites. best not to rock the boat. __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2003-11-24, 11:04 PM	#32
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	In defense of the adult side of DMOZ - and Im not on the staff there- Jezebel and a gaggle of others over there do a fantastic job - especially knowing that its all volunteer - and there are avenues to check a submit you've done to find out the status - Ive dont it myself recently and the response was immediate and helpful. In the past there have been isolated instances (actually way in the past there were a heck of a lot) of people abusing their positions there - but that seems to have been weeded out pretty well on the adult side - the mainstream side I wont comment on As far as the question about multiple domain entries - I know I have many domains with loads of listings - that comes with the territory of building free sites on the same domain - you can have as many sites as you want on a domain and each is considered separately for DMOZ - as they should be. Ive seen a lot of bad entries get cleaned out of the adult side as well which in my experience has been good for the biz - the cat editors seem to take a good personal interest in their cats. the original issue with the DMOZ directory and Google - I dont believe that Google has brought in a good RDF for a while - the results look like Google is trying to parse the database with filters that arent responding correctly - and unlike the past when they did all of this on a datacenter that nobody knew about before they made it live, so many know about all of the datacenters now that Google has given up trying to do it in the background and just lets whatever they have at the moment go live I have to believe, and based on the hard results that appear on reloads, that the update of the directory, the PR update and a few other things are not done - and wont be for a few days. Forgot - actually I believe the cat editors are encouraged to have experience in the category they are editing - and are allowed to add their own sites if they fit the cat. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2003-11-24, 11:05 PM	#33
dallasdeb Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 207	I applied to be a DMOZ editor in the 'For Women' category a few months ago and got accepted, in spite of the fact that my main area in the biz is 'For Women'. Since then I have applied for other categories and been accepted. One of the main things I have noticed is how hard DMOZ editors actually work, the job is enormous and they have to contend with cheats, spammers and massive queues of sites waiting to get listed. If you are wondering why your sites take so long to get get listed, I would imagine its because there are too many sites and not enough editors to do the job. Want to get your sites listed faster? Then apply to become an editor and do it yourself. But before you can do that you must clean up the sites in front of you. Cos if you cheat you will get thrown out. In spite of all the things you might read about DMOZ, the editors in charge keep a close eye on what is going on and editors who cheat dont last too long. And if you find a site that breaks the rules, report it and it WILL get checked out. If you dont have the time or the inclination to become an editor then stop whingeing and let the editors that are there do their job. __________________ Link to our Free Hosted Sites and Galleries

2003-11-24, 11:14 PM	#34
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	It's a simple equation: Having even one site in the category you are editing = bias I doubt in the history of DMOZ there has never been a time when an editor has rejected his own site. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2003-11-24, 11:21 PM	#35
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Jay - Im not so sure if Id call it bias - I think Id call it a perk and a well deserved one for taking the time to be a volunteer in my book Now if they were to completely dominate a cat with just their sites thats a different game - and gets editors booted __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2003-11-24, 11:26 PM	#36
dallasdeb Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 207	You know something XXXJay? Thats crap. Not only have I rejected my own site I have had to delist sites that belong to friends of mine in the biz!! You dont know what you are talking about. My site did not fit the DMOZ guidelines and I was not willing to change it to comply so I flicked it. If I had listed sites that were not compliant I would have been kicked out on my ass by now If you want to make a difference then become an editor and make a difference. If all you want to do is discredit the work of the editors that are working their butts off so that your sites can get listed (presuming of course they fall within the guidelines), then go and do it somewhere else. __________________ Link to our Free Hosted Sites and Galleries

2003-11-25, 12:53 AM	#39
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	Regarding the multiple listings, I wasn't speaking of free domains. Example- Salon.com has 689 DMOZ listings. WMW used to have like 7 or 8, now just 4. Mystique-magazine.com has 3. It does make sense if a portion of the site is strong and suited for an additional category, it should be listed. But a listing for like every other review someone does? Come on. PlayBoy has 10 listings. Reviews_and_Previews seems an often used category to create multiple listings. PlayBoy has a PlayStation 2 listing: http://directory.google.com/Top/Game...PlayStation_2/ So, if I do reviews of products, games, etc...on my site it will not be a problem to get listed eventually? Adameve.com have 3 listings. Man, http://directory.google.com/Top/Adul...Opportunities/ Opportunities? Come on. Why is it a site cannot get a legit listing for a Web Forum under the right category? Chats_and_Forums Google has 76 listings. Microsoft- 932 DMOZ listings. (Just 246 Y! listings) Amazon- 334 listings (just 39 Y! listings) Ivillage: DMOZ: 611 listings, Y! Directory: 126 listings MapQuest: DMOZ: 1014 listings , Y! Directory: 8 listings So, essentially, if I add an E-zine to my adult site with quality content I should get a listing for each and every review, right? msn.com DMOZ: 2632 listings Each movie review gets a listing. If I have a section in a webforum or sub domain dediciated to Adult movie reviews, i can get a listing for each review? If one just goes down the list of sites via PR: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...TF-8&q=http%3A And checks dmoz listings they all have rediculous amounts of listings across the board for the most diverse categories. If PlayBoy can get a listing under PlayStation 2 category, would my site be able to? Having a couple thousand links replicated 100's of times sure comes in handy. Oddly, joe-schmoe sites gets scruntized for everything. What's the deal with that? __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today! Last edited by Alphawolf; 2003-11-25 at 01:14 AM..

2003-11-25, 06:59 AM	#40
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	AlphaWolf - actually anyone can do exactly the same thing those guys are doing - an example: If I take a domain that has something to do with pornstars and I build the main site from the root - I can get that listed in DMOZ. Now I take a directory and put up a little subsite about Jenna J and add two galleries of 10 pics - and then get that listed in the image galleries section of DMOZ - and can do that hundreds of times with different pornstars Of course all the while every one of those little subsites has a link back to the main site and the main site has a good sitemap or contents page that lists each of those subsites - an easy way to naturally move page rank around and a good surf for the users And DMOZ will list each of those subsites usually - I only say usually as sometimes you will run into someone else that has that picture set already on DMOZ As far as the large sites like msn etc. - Im not sure if building a portal and submitting subpages on varying subjects would fly - but it sure seems to I dont think DMOZ would have a leg to stand on if they declined your subtopics and not the msns Very important to remember - their policies dont say anything against submitting multiple sites from the same domain __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash Last edited by Linkster; 2003-11-25 at 07:24 AM..

2003-11-25, 12:55 PM	#42
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Jay - have you tried posting on their board to find out why it hasnt been listed? Usually you'll get a response pretty quickly __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2003-11-25, 01:09 PM	#43
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	Linkster, >>Jay - have you tried posting on their board to find out why it hasnt been listed? Usually you'll get a response pretty quickly<< I have. Standard answer I get is that it's there. It's still sitting in the que with quite a few others. I ask for even a remote ETA like a month, 4 months less than 6 months...the answer is they can't provide any ETA at all. I did get a regional listing within a couple weeks though. I'd think as an editor I'd check out sites people post on resource zone because there''s far less chance it's a spam site if people are taking the time to follow up. I do hope the adult side is more swift. __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2003-11-25, 01:59 PM	#46
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	Jay, http://www.resource-zone.com/ __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2003-11-26, 04:31 AM	#47
urb All the way from Room 101 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,557	I keep posting this every time someone mentions Dmoz...... The Adult editors are loads faster than all the other Dmoz sections put together. __________________

2003-11-26, 08:12 AM	#48
SomeCreep Operator! Give me the number for 911! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 139	This google update is unique. I see "news" and "health sites" coming up for certain adult keywords that were once flooded with legit adult website listings. Horrible update. I hope it doesnt stay this way. __________________ Are you promoting <a href="http://www.realitycash.com/track/MjM1MDoxNDo4/"> Reality Cash</a> yet? They convert very well.

2003-11-27, 12:30 AM	#50
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	GeorgeTH, >>I just thought somebody has to tell them they got it wrong... There are a couple 1000 messages on webmasterworld.com telling them that every day. Unless 25% of page 1 results are very much off topic the average surfer will just never know or care. Lots of speculation from some very smart people, but it's all just that. This is a radical change that caught a lot of people off guard and plenty of clean sites have been wiped from the results. In the top two AdWords for phrases all companies were removed from the results where they had previously held the top spots. Let's be honest- Google became a virtual monopoly and now they can do what they damn well please. Average surfers will continue to think Google is good unless drastically off-topic results are shown. The only good thingis that once Y! swicthes to Ink a good chunk of the pie will be split up. They have some really sophisticated, but immature technology via their purchase of Applied Semantics. Nothing seems to make sense, and what is reported from one person is countered by others. Even people who have been posting and reading there for 3 years are trying to gain a hold on the new results. Probably the most disheartening posts are from people who were sqeeky clean and worked thier asses of playing by the rules and their sites have vanished from thier primary phrases. POOF. If the results stick more than not- this is an entirely different animal that requires a very light touch of optimization as we know it and more natural linking only from related sites. Themes. The entire 'get links with anchor text in your phrase' is dead...if it sticks. Someone reported some changing on a datacenter resembling pre Florida (as this update has been come to be known) results. But I didn't see any changes last I checked around 7PM. Then again it would be Google like to come out with some new filters/algo changes on a Holiday... <shrug> __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!