Arylia Gallery Builder v2.0

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky

Man, you're really reaching aren't you?

You're the one reaching, you dumb fuck. MOST TGPs don't list galleries that run wide at 800x600. You don't even know the very basic rules of the game, yet you're building software to simply our lives? Fuck you.

[Doctor Sticky]

Thanks for the positive feedback Useless Warrior, way to live up to your name.

The funny part is I never disagreed that most TGPs don't list galleries that run wide at 800x600. I simply stated that is a very trivial reason for denying a gallery, and that you are catering to a dwindling portion of the market (11% according to the latest industry reports).

And to clarify - not that it matters because you guys obviously don't listen - what I meant by "reaching" is looking for some small reason that doesn't pertain to the original arguement just to avoid having to agree with anything I say or show you.

Alright, I am done posting here unless anyone has any questions about the actual function of the script.

Flame away friends!!

[Greenguy]

Doctor Sticky - here's the problem: you're posting on a board that is populated by webmasters that think programs that automatically create galleries are shit, that programs that strip content for webmasters are just an excuse to steal, that the problem with the current state of TGP's & galleries are scripts like yours, that auto submitting software sucks ass, that 800 wide can be viewed by 100% and that's how we make sites & galleries, that free hosts suck, that counters are scumbags, etc.

So when you come in here to our house & spam your wares, you should not be surprised that you're being based, because not too many people here will condone your program.

I'm sure that it's being well received on boards that are populated with TGP people & gallery makers, but here, it stinks on ice.

[Doctor Sticky]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Doctor Sticky - here's the problem: you're posting on a board that is populated by webmasters that think programs that automatically create galleries are shit, that programs that strip content for webmasters are just an excuse to steal, that the problem with the current state of TGP's & galleries are scripts like yours, that auto submitting software sucks ass, that 800 wide can be viewed by 100% and that's how we make sites & galleries, that free hosts suck, that counters are scumbags, etc.

That is good to know, Greenguy. You should put that exact message (warning) up on your register page in big bold print. Seriously. I wouldn't have posted about my heathen script if I had read that.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky

Alright, I am done posting here unless anyone has any questions about the actual function of the script.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky

That is good to know, Greenguy. You should put that exact message (warning) up on your register page in big bold print. Seriously. I wouldn't have posted about my heathen script if I had read that.

Maybe you should do some research before you post on board...like you advise your suers to do before they grab content from galleries

[fetish1]

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky

Alright, I am done posting here unless anyone has any questions about the actual function of the script.

Is that a promise???

[KCat]

Legitimate question - can the script be integrated into WordPress for blog entries?

I like to build TGP galleries by hand, but with blog entries, it's the same template over & over. Saving a few minutes on each would add up over time.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I'm sure that it's being well received on boards that are populated with TGP people & gallery makers, but here, it stinks on ice.

Actually, no tgp owner worth his salt would endorse a program like this. Currently TGPs are getting hammered with multi-submitters, auto-submit, auto partner account requests, cookie cutter crap templates, ripped FHG, over-used sponsor content, and just about everything else that screams crappy submits.

If it keeps up most tgps will either go partner only, paid submits, or the tgp owner will just build their own galleries. I shut down my main tgp to open submits because I was getting 1000 galleries a day and only around 80 were usable.

[kryptx]

It's obvious that few if any people here are interested in the script, but this is an interesting discussion. Try to consider the following not as a sales pitch but as a plea for sanity.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

here's the problem: you're posting on a board that is populated by webmasters that think programs that automatically create galleries are shit, that programs that strip content for webmasters are just an excuse to steal, that the problem with the current state of TGP's & galleries are scripts like yours, that auto submitting software sucks ass, that 800 wide can be viewed by 100% and that's how we make sites & galleries, that free hosts suck, that counters are scumbags, etc.

So when you come in here to our house & spam your wares, you should not be surprised that you're being based, because not too many people here will condone your program.

I'm sure that it's being well received on boards that are populated with TGP people & gallery makers, but here, it stinks on ice.

First, let's look at a few of the opinions you presented, because I think they are somewhat revealing:

• that the problem with the current state of TGP's & galleries are scripts like yours
• that auto submitting software sucks ass
• that free hosts suck

The rest of the complaints are objective, easy to understand, and fair opinions, but these three in particular are a bit ambiguous and even reflect a fair bit of ignorance (I realize that you weren't saying that you hold them necessarily, but bear with me because those that do are listening). Obviously Arylia in particular is neither auto submitting software nor a free host, but the fact that you feel these are attitudes that many of your members exhibit is interesting to me because it indicates a disregard for the content of the product itself and a judgment based instead on its purpose, which quite explains the reactions that Doctor Sticky is experiencing (as I'm sure you know). I can dig the free host criticism because it's essentially based on common sense, but if the members here do think categorically that "auto submitting software sucks ass" then I wonder -- is it that they actually tried the software and it doesn't work (and therefore sucks ass), or is it because they don't like the volume and types of submissions they personally receive on their own websites? The former should preclude people from reasonably criticizing a new unknown auto-submitter, and the latter seems more of an effect of some sort of cognitive bias (google "fundamental attribution error" for more on that). So if we were to really pick apart these objections it looks like we'd find that they are quite vacuous.

As for the first criticism on the list above -- what effect have "scripts like yours" (Arylia) had on TGPs that is undesirable? I understand that TGPs receive more submissions now than they used to, and I assume this is the "current state" that you are referring to (since we can demonstrate to you, and I will explain below, that Arylia in particular does not encourage sloppy templates). I also understand that it is inconvenient for you to implement an account system and that you'd rather not. But if your goal is for your site to be popular and profitable, you will want a lot of visitors. And having a lot of visitors would result in a lot of submissions, regardless of the existence or non-existence of any gallery builder or auto-submitter. So if your complaint is that scripts like ours forces you to implement the features that you need for your site to be popular, I'd suggest you just shut your site down now because dealing with that is just the first of many steps to being successful.

All of these objections notwithstanding, I think everything would be okay if everyone had come in to this post, saying "Gallery scripts are stupid, they're ruining the industry". I can appreciate that viewpoint, like I appreciate yours (even though we disagree) and I think your responses, greenguy, have been rather insightful in general and even somewhat entertaining. What's a little difficult is that people are criticizing the script for something it isn't:

• This script does not design your galleries.
• This script does not impose any minimum or maximum pixel width on galleries it produces.
• This script does not submit your galleries to other sites automatically.
• This script does not produced "canned" galleries that look like thousands of other galleries on the internet, unless the user builds their template that way (which they can do either with or without this script).

The purpose is simply to automate some of the boring and redundant tasks that all of us have had to do at one point or another. If we only had to "save 15-20 images" to run an adult site, this script would never have been written. That task must be carried out repeatedly and there's no good reason not to automate it.

Producing galleries that will be approved on TGPs will still take some time because you have to put effort into designing a sharp template and place each image. What you won't have to do is resize all of the thumbs by hand in Photoshop.

The bottom line here is that at some point you have to use some kind of software tool to simplify your work. You're not working with sheets of binary code when you manipulate images. But you can choose whether you use a text editor or a tool that's made for building web pages, and you can choose whether to use MS Paint, or a tool that's made for manipulating photographs, or a tool that's made for making picture galleries.

Arylia was designed simply to understand that you are building a gallery, to make thumbnails, to place them, to keep track of and properly display banners and linkcodes where you specify, and to make even manual thumbnail generation faster and easier. It's not your personal gallery designer, it's just an assistant. You still design the gallery -- it just builds it for you.

So we can disagree about a lot of things. You are welcome to think that the script will cause a great deal of evil and engender an environment of thievery and dishonesty between webmasters and their sponsors. And if you do think that, then I agree that it is reason enough for you to stay clear of it yourself, and not to recommend it to anyone. You are also welcome to think that it would not save you any time, or that it is too expensive, or that TGP owners will never buy it for this reason or that. But criticizing this script, or any script, for something that it isn't is simply ignorant.

[Surfn]

Ignorance on this board has pretty much been rampant the last week or so. Today is no exception.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Surfn

Ignorance on this board has pretty much been rampant the last week or so. Today is no exception.

Must be the eclipse

[kryptx]

Originally Posted by Surfn

Ignorance on this board has pretty much been rampant the last week or so. Today is no exception.

Thought you were done, chief!

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by kryptx

Thought you were done, chief!

I'm done trying to explain to hard headed asses but not done commenting.

[Greenguy]

That's one hell of a post Oddly enough, I think we agree on most of the topics & while I know that this script does not do any of the things that I ranted about, my goal was to give you guys an idea of what this board is about & what a majority of us don't like.

Your script is just one of a handful of steps that lazy & glory seeking "webmasters" can use to pump out & submit volumes of galleries in a very short time frame.

I'm sure the script is wonderful & helpful in the right hands, but then again, so are auto submitters, free hosts, counters, consoles, etc

SIDENOTE: I do very little with TGP's these days. I do still have a few, but they are private or "under the radar" for the most part. I haven't made/submitted a gallery in years...so maybe I'm not the best person to comment on any of this

[Simon]

Actually, yeah, it was one hell of a post. I read it last night, then read it again this morning. I had the same thought both times: "I bet this guy's smart enough to wish he hadn't made "ignorant" the last word in his post."

I'm wondering if this tool might have one application here. Now this is coming from a beginner when it comes to the operation of LLs and TGPs, but, if someone has their own TGP, particularly a private one, wouln't this program make it a bit easier to populate it with galleries built from your own pool of photography? Maybe with free sites too, it could build some matched pairs of galleries that would then need a good free site shell built around them.

Since you'd be both submitters and reviewer, you could make sure not to flood yourself with unusable galleries/sites. And if it really did save time and do good work, that would just leave more time free for working on other projects. But like I said, that part of the business is new to me, so anyone please feel free to point out what I'm missing here.

NOTE: I'm another one who writes page code in a text-editor because I don't like how the automated 'helper' programs build things for me. So I'd be more likely to keep making things by hand, one at a time. But I'm still interested in finding better ways to do things, if there actually are any.

[PR_Tom]

Ok I still stand by my first post

I like tools. I really like them! I make my own for petes sake because I like them so much. I've written scripts/apps to read a sites logo file, pulls out the primary colors from it, makes page colors and graphics elements of similar colors for me. Plus adds my images, text links, banners, keywords, alt text and links them all to my fake TGP and hub sites. Thats just how damn lazy I am I havent used it in a long time because of 2257. And I havent used it to create sites or galleries for submitting, although with the functionality and versatility (no static templates, all dynamic) I bet I could.

The one thing is simple. There is no good reason given (still IMHO, and I know opinions vary slightly!) to have the ability to pull content from a server other than the one on which the script resides, or your own hard drive.

Even I'm not that lazy, all I need to do is upload them while I go pee. I think it's is ripe for abuse, and the more we can reduce that, the better off we are as an industry. It's simple IMHO, and could not be more clear cut.

As a side note, I was contacted this morning about a gallery that is violating our TOS, and stealing someones copyrighted images What someone did was copy one of our FHG's, and replace the content with a solo models content and submitted it to TGP's.

Now I have to contact the affiliate and tell them to remove those images or I will terminate them. I'm telling you, I hate that part of my job, but people do it all the time. "We" (adult industry) do not need more people having easy access to that kind of theft, and that was all in my first post as well.

No I'm not saying they used your tool, I'm saying it's what we dont want to make easier for people to do.

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Ok I still stand by my first post

I like tools. I really like them! I make my own for petes sake because I like them so much. I've written scripts/apps to read a sites logo file, pulls out the primary colors from it, makes page colors and graphics elements of similar colors for me. Plus adds my images, text links, banners, keywords, alt text and links them all to my fake TGP and hub sites. Thats just how damn lazy I am I havent used it in a long time because of 2257. And I havent used it to create sites or galleries for submitting, although with the functionality and versatility (no static templates, all dynamic) I bet I could.

The one thing is simple. There is no good reason given (still IMHO, and I know opinions vary slightly!) to have the ability to pull content from a server other than the one on which the script resides, or your own hard drive.

Even I'm not that lazy, all I need to do is upload them while I go pee. I think it's is ripe for abuse, and the more we can reduce that, the better off we are as an industry. It's simple IMHO, and could not be more clear cut.

As a side note, I was contacted this morning about a gallery that is violating our TOS, and stealing someones copyrighted images What someone did was copy one of our FHG's, and replace the content with a solo models content and submitted it to TGP's.

Now I have to contact the affiliate and tell them to remove those images or I will terminate them. I'm telling you, I hate that part of my job, but people do it all the time. "We" (adult industry) do not need more people having easy access to that kind of theft, and that was all in my first post as well.

No I'm not saying they used your tool, I'm saying it's what we dont want to make easier for people to do.

We holds similar views on these issues

[kryptx]

Originally Posted by greenguy

Oddly enough, I think we agree on most of the topics & while I know that this script does not do any of the things that I ranted about, my goal was to give you guys an idea of what this board is about & what a majority of us don't like.

Your script is just one of a handful of steps that lazy & glory seeking "webmasters" can use to pump out & submit volumes of galleries in a very short time frame.

I'm sure the script is wonderful & helpful in the right hands, but then again, so are auto submitters, free hosts, counters, consoles, etc

I think we agree too. I directed my reply primarily to you because I wanted to address the opinions you presented, even though you are not being the actual purveyor thereof, and wanted to minimize the amount of offense taken as a result of my post.

Both my experience and Doctor Sticky's experience with adult webmasters has consistently indicated that they are lazy. Incredibly, mind-bogglingly lazy, with few exceptions. I think that's why they get into adult; it's the most money for the least work. Of course, we have not frequented these forums, and it's quite possible that this is where the non-lazy adult webmasters hang out. If that's the case, maybe we should spend some more time here! But I know people who create sites and then hire someone else to do the 1 hour of work per day necessary to run it.

This is why we don't think this script will ruin the industry. If there is a webmaster who works his ass off to build as many galleries as he can and submit them to dozens of sites, then that guy is motivated enough to learn a programming language and write his own script to automate it. In fact, the few non-lazy webmasters I've met are the ones that are least interested in our script because they already built the tools that do exactly what they need. And a lazy webmaster is just looking for the easiest way to make the bare minimum number of galleries that his visitors expect. He's not going to buy the script so that his 2 hours per day are more productive -- he's going to buy it to turn 2 hours into 30 minutes. I don't believe that any of our customers have built more than a few galleries per day and I don't expect that to change.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The one thing is simple. There is no good reason given (still IMHO, and I know opinions vary slightly!) to have the ability to pull content from a server other than the one on which the script resides, or your own hard drive.

Even I'm not that lazy, all I need to do is upload them while I go pee. I think it's is ripe for abuse, and the more we can reduce that, the better off we are as an industry. It's simple IMHO, and could not be more clear cut.

See above. I appreciate your opinion and I'm glad we can have a civil discussion. Unfortunately we see the same people two different ways, and I believe there are good reasons for the feature, so I'm not sure we'll see eye to eye.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

As a side note, I was contacted this morning about a gallery that is violating our TOS, and stealing someones copyrighted images What someone did was copy one of our FHG's, and replace the content with a solo models content and submitted it to TGP's.

If you do see someone using content from your FHGs without authorization in their own template, and you think Arylia might have been used, you can contact us and we will give him the same threat you will: stop violating our terms or lose your license.

I will PM you with more information about this.