Trade shows, why don't we let in the general public?

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

I'm curious now. Does anyone here "live the life"?

I had thought we were all just nerds sitting in front of our computers.

Except for Cleo and her tranny adventures, of course.

Yes I live the life. 55 married to a woman half my age who like threesomes with girls. Or is the "life" sitting in front of a computer"

I think I see the fear coming out and understand the resistance to meeting the public.

Yes some of us are not great communicators and would be best not meeting consumers. But do you really think they want to meet the geeks, they want to meet the girls and some of the people behind the camera.

I wouldn't attend such a show myself if there would be surfers. Why meet them? Aren't we making enough money and want more? My humble opinion is that successfully adult webmasters make enough and like this type of business mostly because of it's "private nature", the privacy that exists between the porn seller ( webmaster ) and the porn buyer ( the crowd ).

And also as someone mentioned earlier, surfers pretty much like buying porn online because of the privacy of the transaction.

So the reason we don't do it is we are all making enough money?

As for privacy, well no affiliates will be involved, those involved will the girls and the high profile sponsors.

grandma, there are any number of fools (especially younger) with a bit of money and a desire to be a "pimp" or a "playah" or whatever they are calling it this week. They live in their mom's basement but drive a leased mercedez with overpriced rims and wear oversized basketball shirts and "party madly". They really believe that they got the life. It is funny to spot them at shows, mostly because they are usually gone by the next show.

Alessandro, just like any business, I don't think it is YOU that the surfers would want to meet, but rather to be exposed to your product. So that would mean probably a decent booth, some booth bunnies, some give aways, promotional materials, CDs with free logins, whatever. I don't think a row of webmasters sitting in chairs signing autographs for the fans would bring in many people...

This sort of thing might start to happen if the programs ever feel that they can market themselves directly better than they can through the affiliate system.

Good post. The surfer will never want to meet the guys working the keyboards.

As for this topic...why on Earth would anyone want to meet the surfer in any capacity. I kind of think its like The Wizard from The Wizard of Oz, you don't want the surfer to see what's behind the curtain, because they'll most likely be disappointed.

Also the general hypocrisy of most of the surfers...I mean, they'll go buy porn memberships left and right, but they vote and publicly support fools that want to take that right away. So, how many porn surfers would actually show up? The porn industry in general is a dirty little pleasure porn surfers will only take in from the false anonymity of the net.

Please go to the AVN or Venus in Paris or Berlin and see how many line up to meet the stars.

Why would the surfer want to meet you? Don't know.

Why would you make a false statement like that Paul? Aren't you a legitimate business man that's above making false statements?

What on-line female personality gets 1/2 the attention that Jenna, Briana or Tera does?

I thought you were having a go at me. Then I read it again and see you're joking.

1. The show would be split into 2, one side for trade the other for consumers. Either by certain days or a barrier, both methods work.

2. The average affiliate and sponsor will never need to be confronted by a surfer, Heaven forbid such a terrifying thing. Only certain companies will do this. The surfer wants to meet the girls and celebrities not the geeks.

3. Who went to the last Vegas Internext? The show was dead, shows are becoming a place to meet and party. They will become less and less important in the future.

4. The industry needs to build it's profile with the consumer.

Anyone who has been to an Internet show with a mainstream porn show run in conjunction go over and see the numbers of people in the DVD show.

Meeting the public works when selling to them, what ever you sell to them.

[Greenguy]

Paul - you know what the problem is? You're asking this question on the wrong board. There are not a lot of program owners that are regular posters here on the board & of those, I can't think of too many that have a name/personality that surfers would want to meet. The one that I can think of that has a remote association to this board is jaYMan Cash & Raven Riley.

You've got to realize that you're asking a group of webmasters that, for the most part, work out of their house, building link lists & tgp's & free sites & galleries & helping/running the occasional paysite program where there is no big name associated to it.

You might get a favorable response over at Lightspeed's Solo Girl board, but in the end, I still think it's a stupid idea

[docholly]

Since Comdex folded here a couple of years ago, they have replaced the Adultdex with something called "Adultcon" which runs at the same time and across the street from the SEMA show, the automotive afterparts show. What is funny is to see the quick migration of girls that are holding hub caps in the SEMA show run in their 5" spiked heels across the street to the Rivera and be in their bikini in time to 'sign' autographs to the schmucks that pay 35.00 per person to see them.

Yes a case can be made that AVN is an adult extention of CES but truthfully AVN wants the 130K locked in audience that looks at digital widgets for 2 hours then rushes over to look at hot porn stars for the other 6. You can bet that a large % of those CES attendees rush home to their computers and google the name of the chick they just saw "in person" maybe join the website or maybe not, maybe buy a video, maybe not. And for the 10-20K whatever the exhibitor spent on their cost for the 3 days of AVN, think how much that money could have bought in google key words or other online advertising to meet the millions surfing the web.

....and if you mean by "in the life" that the people you associate with everyday in real time are also in the business count me in. I have no real life friends that aren't involved in the adult industry.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Paul - you know what the problem is? You're asking this question on the wrong board. There are not a lot of program owners that are regular posters here on the board & of those, I can't think of too many that have a name/personality that surfers would want to meet. The one that I can think of that has a remote association to this board is jaYMan Cash & Raven Riley.

You've got to realize that you're asking a group of webmasters that, for the most part, work out of their house, building link lists & tgp's & free sites & galleries & helping/running the occasional paysite program where there is no big name associated to it.

You might get a favorable response over at Lightspeed's Solo Girl board, but in the end, I still think it's a stupid idea

On this you have a point. In fact I think this is true of 99% of the industry. But I will let you buy me a beer when the 1% do it.

Lightspeed, Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, Private, Vivid, Wicked, Evil Angel, Girls Gone Wild, Paul Markham, Bang Bros are names that come to mind immediately.

Nothing wrong though with the 1,000 who work from home. I was this morning.

[Papa]

No surfers allowed !!!!!
Biz persons only. Anyways, some joesurfer's always get in here and there.

It should remain as it is.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

Only certain companies will do this. The surfer wants to meet the girls and celebrities not the geeks.

What about model safety? Have you ever read a forum that's attached to a solo girl site? I read one a day ago, it's attached to a solo girl site, the owner tossed a link to the forum for me to read...all I'm saying |shocking| there's no way a pornstar would want to meet up with their adoring public.

Secondly, most people buying porn memberships are doing so because of the anonymity of the net, however false that notion is, and it would be more cost effective to target these people in the medium that they feel comfortable in...the net.

[Toby]

I think the biggest point that hasn't been clearly stated in this thread is that there is a HUGE difference between adult models that only do online, and those that do production video for retail distribution. The latter are what most of us would consider to be Pornstars, public appearances is part of the job. The former may not be as comfortable being face to face with John Q, assuming that she's even a big enough name to draw attention.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

...Lightspeed, Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, Private, Vivid, Wicked, Evil Angel, Girls Gone Wild, Paul Markham, Bang Bros are names that come to mind immediately...

Most, if not all of those names are already at the big AVN show where the general public has access to them, so why would they want to put up another booth at a different convention at the same hotel/venue?

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Most, if not all of those names are already at the big AVN show where the general public has access to them, so why would they want to put up another booth at a different convention at the same hotel/venue?

10 out of 11 do..the other one

[Greenguy]

docholly & emma got me thinking about this & I have a theory.

AVN's AEE show in Vegas allows the general public to come to the show & Internext doesn't. I have no hard numbers, but I'd bet that the cost of getting a booth at the AEE show is a lot more than the cost of getting a booth at Internext.

I think someone wants to pay the Internext booth prices & get access to the general public that you get when you have buy booth at AEE