Is there money in blogs?

[Halfdeck]

How would that work Bill?

It's not gonna work.

Cheap trackback links have very little weight SEO wise and if you get aggressive then the network becomes exposed. You need a link from a trusted site to rank high - I asked 3 bloggers link to a post of mine - one link from a TBPR 6 blog but it didn't have much impact. I asked a well-known SEO to link to me from the domain root of a few of his old, trusted sites and that boosted my ranking from 9th to 3rd.

A group of splogs linking to each other is not gonna outrank tens of thousands of recip links pointing to LLs. Why? Because you can only trump quantity with quality - so unless you're ready to publish 10,000 posts and trackback every one of them its not gonna happen. Now, you can build up link popularity that way, but higher PR just by itself won't translate into higher rankings. Plus if you have only a dozen bloggers swapping links the entire network will be flagged as spam or links devalued for excessive reciprocal linking, especially if you're blogging shit no one wants to link to in the first place. If you do it with a real blog, you're just going to piss off RSS subscribers. If you avoid that by linking less aggressively, you minimize your ROI.

[Bill]

It sure won't grab any top positions for good keywords.

But splogs and 99.4% of adult blogs ain't gonna do that anyway, and anybody who thinks they will is gonna be dissapointed.

Splogging and adult blogging isn't an "I'm gonna get TONS of great google traffic." strategy in the first place.

It's a long tail strategy, a low cost way to generate pages, each with a very small possibility of catching a surfer.

If you've already decided to create a few splogs, you should know this.

There are millions of "real" crappy blogs that never get a trackback, so it won't take a humongous effort to do enough trackbacking to lift an adult splog into the realm of shitty unimportant blogs that might get a longtail position.

Then, every adult blogger should have their "best" blogs, with the most original writing and flavor - and their own strategy for getting traffic to those "best" blogs. Those have an even better chance of getting longtail traffic, and could benefit from a few trackbacks too.

If your point is, there's no point in making splogs, you're right, there is no point, and everybody should stop.

If your point is, once you've made a splog, you should do nothing, stare vacantly into space, and dream about making a mainstream bizop blog and selling ad space on it, then go ahead, do it.

I imagine you already understand what's going to happen to a shitty little se domain with all the incomings pointing to the index alone.

[Halfdeck]

If your point is

My point is trackbacks are not gonna help you unless you do it en masse - and if you do do it en masse those links will be devalued. A bigger point is that at the end of the day, bending over backwards to please Google isn't going to win a blogger any brownie points. Build a blog for surfers - Google traffic is just cream on top. Lastly, if you want to build traffic off thousands of long tails publishing stuff no one is ever gonna bother reading, why not just buy a spam script? Even spending 30 minutes on chasing a low traffic long tail just for the sake of traffic to me is way too much work.

The real strength of a blog is what Karen said - getting organic links from sites like Fleshbot - sex blogs is probably the only "sector" in adult that's freely linking - and those are the type of links that will boost your rankings.

[stuveltje]

i am in for the money at my blog, but 2 sides here, i am building a blog make it work and have sales and sell the damn domain, thats why i only make sex story blogs, easy to make, copy and past and even for that i am to lazy to post everyday, my blog, i posted there last time in december or so, but people get back there because the other stuff i have there are updated automaticly, the sexstories, i have them purely for keywords for the ses....

[Halfdeck]

i have them purely for keywords for the ses....

You mean MSN

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

You mean MSN

hahahahaha i knew you would say that...but msn , google or yahoo it are all ses machines and i dont care where the traffic comes from as long it gives me sales))) HYaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Halfdecknever focus on one ses...because if you do and you get hit...your doomed

[Halfdeck]

i dont care where the traffic comes from as long it gives me sales

Hey, you gotta say the s word on a weekend just when I'm about to kick back and relax..What's up Stu for a sec you made me reach for my icq.

[Halfdeck]

BTW, all you splog owners gotta do is kill nofollow in the comments and then leave comments on each others blogs. Simple.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

why not just buy a spam script? ...getting organic links from sites like Fleshbot ....

Splogging is more ethically acceptable to me than a spam script. I have the rights to the content I'm using and making, I'm just using wordpress and and a few plugins to create long tail content without scraping and without creating near duplicate pages on the blog domain (unlike a spam script).

Since a splog has about the same chance of getting a link from fleshbot as I have of screwing a celebrity, it doesn't make any sense to talk about splogs trying to get links like that.

You've already said google can't tell the difference between no trustrank minor pages and notrustrank spam - splogs take advantage of that in the longtail.

I haven't been splogging for long but I'm fully in the black, and earnings can be expected to increase. I've gotten surfer comments on splogs, much to my surprise. I make the most signups on my anchor blogs, but the splogs are sending a nice stream of hits to the sponsors, and while it;s sometimes hard to tell where FHG sales came from, there are at least a couple I'm sure are from the splogs, and more that I think could well be.

But I'm totally with you on one thing, people shouldn't splog.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

BTW, all you splog owners gotta do is kill nofollow in the comments and then leave comments on each others blogs. Simple.

I must be missing something. That's certainly possible, I'm still not totally clear about the details of trackbacks, pingbacks, and that stuff.

Why is a comment better than a trackback?

[Halfdeck]

Bill, I don't know why you always seem to take what I say personally. When I say crap sites, I'm not talking about anyone's sites in particular.

You've already said google can't tell the difference between no trustrank minor pages and notrustrank spam

I said IF Google is using the TrustRank algo, then Google can't tell the difference between low PageRank quality pages and low PageRank spam. That makes longtail SERPs somewhat of a level playing field when your splog is only competing against spam/new sites with slim-to-none link profile, but I wouldn't say splogs have any kind of an edge. A splog page with a low link profile and no trusted IBLs is also no match for a page on a high TBPR site with links from places like Yahoo! Directory or DMOZ even if that page only mentions your target keyword somewhere on the bottom of the page.

But I'm totally with you on one thing, people shouldn't splog.

When did I say people shouldn't splog? Whatever floats your boat, man. I was arguing against using trackbacks as a deep linking strategy.

Why is a comment better than a trackback?

- Leaving a short comment takes less time than writing a post
- Leaving a comment on a nofollow-free blog gives you one way links, whereas with a trackback, linking is reciprocal.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Hey, you gotta say the s word on a weekend just when I'm about to kick back and relax..What's up Stu for a sec you made me reach for my icq.

grin i saw you popping up on icq, but i was just bugging the board and trying to a be a bit intelligent dutch chinese talking woman

[Allfetish]

I don't know yet. I put one up about three days ago with a few posts and I already received about 12 google referred hits. Hmm. One targeted google hit is worth anyhere from 10 - 100 times that amount in general tgp traffic or another such source as far as conversions often go.

If one did 100 blogs with 20 targeted hits/day from SEs, I could see that as being quite lucrative indeed.

[stfuvt]

very good thread
nice reading

[Halfdeck]

Another thing to consider:

If you're trackbacking/commenting or whatever between blog posts indexed in Google as supplemental results, those links won't mean shit.

[SaucyPanties]

Originally Posted by Bill

We could try doing a trackbacking club kind of thing, to increase the links coming to each other.

Boogie suggested that a while back. I had no idea of how one even did a trackback then, ha ha.

I have done this with a couple of people. A 300 word plus article including links to the other persons blog in questions but again, you really need to do it as an ABC link unless that is what you are suggesting? Five blog owners, each writes two articles about two of the other owners in the groups site?

I like the idea of Useless Warrior and Walrus, you just give them a front index page link and then submit articles which they link to. When and if Google start mixing it up again I feel sure that blogs with more links to their 'articles' will weigh heavier.

[JTandmisstee]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

I actually don't know if my blogs make money or not, I must admit, I haven't been tracking that. The main purpose reason I started them was to create search-engine friendly text and also to have something that was a little bit sticky and linkable, bringing traffic onto the linklists where I could then make sales.

I actually get a lot of good traffic into my sites from places that would not normally link to a porn site.

It also means you can create content that gets into the blogosphere.

That is how I was going to start out our blogs to bring traffic into the site and then send them off to our sponsors. I started looking at several blogs that were sucessfull and were making money and followed their lead. Turn out that I started posting pictures and doing a few comments about them or using text the sponsor used about the pics or a story maybe, I'm not the writer in the family the wife is much better than I am... she a published writer.
After search engines starting picking up the blog along with a small amount of pinning the blogs started getting a good quality of traffic.
What I mean by quality traffic is sales! see below response to Jim
I now have plans on bring two other domains in the blogging world one is being test now which is holding it's own and the other is getting off the planning board and about ready to start and linking each one to the other. If I could be the wife to do stories and etc... which is she really good at I believe all three domains will take off, at least that's what I hope for

Originally Posted by Jim

It seems that nobody really started blogging to get rich. And to do a real blog, it either has to be a labor of love or you just don't do it.

No I really didn't start out blogging to get rich...and to be honest haven't yet. Our main blog though along with another blog that's on a free hosting blog site both have sign ups each and every month...rebills too from two main sponsors another sponsor is converting as per sign up and thinking along the lines of going recurring on that one as well.
As far as the real blog...no non of them are a true real blog although some of my visitor seem to think so. I am one that's doing the posting for the most part the wife the proof reader since my writting skill stinks.
We have been married for so long that I know how my wife talks and thinks that I use a alias and post as a female using how my wife would talk or pharse things. I had a couple visitors email and ask if I go out with them...LOL....one even included a pic...LOL. Had one visitor that though I was the female of my best sponsor and wanted to date me etc....
On the real thing I did have one of the services that we ping post one of my postings as a real couples post.
It's a labor of love thing I guess reading and studing other blogs has really helped as wordpress says have fun with it and that's what I do have fun... along with talking with four other adult bloggers that have sucessfull blogs has really help too and expand on their ideas...to be honest I made more off the blog(s) than I ever did with free sites tgp's avs and LL's. Been a off and on again webmaster for the past ten years (remember greenie on another board when I started out) and going full time now.