i need to nag

[stuveltje]

well i think i am done here ! Yep i am!

[GonZo]

Damn... I should come by here more often!

[Tommy]

Well its very clear to me who the theif is
its always the same story with shitbags
(it was my partner, my employee)

and I think calling his job in to it is fair game

[Opti]

Originally posted by Tommy
Well its very clear to me who the theif is
its always the same story with shitbags
(it was my partner, my employee)

and I think calling his job in to it is fair game

I don't really understand how the three of you let such a silly thing grow so far out of proportion.. sounds like you must of been buddies once upon a time.

But even if it is a little thing Kr8.. you are in power over there.. and she loves her position at ANS. To threaten her if she complained in public... and then to not even remove the page that she was worried about, makes me wonder why she didn't bitch to your boss weeks ago!

A kick up the ass might put your brain back in the right place again too!

[Kre8t0r]

Ok since everyone still wants to play I'll try to make THIS the last post....

Listen careful people!

The page was never given to me or Bratt by stu... I finally found the fucking thing when this thread started!!(Actually I thought she was ranting about someone else until she posted the link) That's why it wasn't removed. Is that not plain enough for you????

As far as the rest of the once upon a time shit, yes we were close at one time and I havent heard word one about this since it was settled a month ago... With NO FUCKING THREATS besides "not to be bringing false accusations public"...I was accused of copying a total site, all I was given was a root domain and I know damn well that was a totally original design! Not to mention anyone here wouldn't roll over and play dead while being attacked for something you didn't do!! Nothing to do with my job as she still has her Adviser tag even after the first round, (and still does) and kept all the personal link trades because in her words after ending this without a total war it was the "professional" thing to do.

You really need to get off the "my job" kick these sites have NO affiliation to the job she is speaking of in any way, never has... My boss in the sites in question is me dumbass!! We do build our own sites.

So if there was anyone to contact it was already done a month ago... BOSS = ME get it yet??

Stu has never been bothered at ANS in any way by me or anyone else. For her to make claims and not follow up on them to put out bullshit fires that start from her comments.. That's a real pro there isn't it?? And I am somehow the bad guy.... That's nice.

I have spent the last 6 years helping webmasters. Why? because I like to help people that need a helping hand in this game.

Opti your post started out as I feel this is a total waste of time over a simple mistake made by my other half. But ended with a classic keyboard warrior line of someone kicking me in the ass. I am fine in that department ty, but if I need one I'll be sure to let you know.

Now do what you will. I have explained all I need to here, if you doubt what I say, Believe who you want. I personally don't think this was worth the all out attack that came from this... I HOPE we are all clear now...

[stuveltje]

Originally posted by Kre8t0r
Ok since everyone still wants to play I'll try to make THIS the last post....

Listen careful people!

The page was never given to me or Bratt by stu... I finally found the fucking thing when this thread started!!(Actually I thought she was ranting about someone else until she posted the link) That's why it wasn't removed. Is that not plain enough for you????

As far as the rest of the once upon a time shit, yes we were close at one time and I havent heard word one about this since it was settled a month ago... With NO FUCKING THREATS besides "not to be bringing false accusations public"...I was accused of copying a total site, all I was given was a root domain and I know damn well that was a totally original design! Not to mention anyone here wouldn't roll over and play dead while being attacked for something you didn't do!! Nothing to do with my job as she still has her Adviser tag even after the first round, (and still does) and kept all the personal link trades because in her words after ending this without a total war it was the "professional" thing to do.

You really need to get off the "my job" kick these sites have NO affiliation to the job she is speaking of in any way, never has... My boss in the sites in question is me dumbass!! We do build our own sites.

So if there was anyone to contact it was already done a month ago... BOSS = ME get it yet??

Stu has never been bothered at ANS in any way by me or anyone else. And I am somehow the bad guy.... That's nice.

I have spent the last 6 years helping webmasters. Why? because I like to help people that need a helping hand in this game.

Opti your post started out as I feel this is a total waste of time over a simple mistake made by my other half. But ended with a classic keyboard warrior line of someone kicking me in the ass. I am fine in that department ty, but if I need one I'll be sure to let you know.

Now do what you will. I have explained all I need to here, if you doubt what I say, Believe who you want. I personally don't think this was worth the all out attack that came from this... I HOPE we are all clear now...

i dont understand which part you didnt get a month ago.but first this.
yes we where one day friends(see i mention it now), that started letts see about the time a couple of weeks after you got the job at ans,(i had my newbie tag thing before that because rowdy asked me if i wanted to be an advisior on newbie board) and it melt away the time i found things out, bad things,
and yes you copied the whole layout and if you read this thread very good you will see that the person who realy made that design has also been posting here, like i have told you a month ago, your layout was there august 2003 (which means your little testpage was also on the net that time) mine was there from the start netmaniak was on the net and yes i showed you THE URL a month ago but you kept yelling to me " you got no shit you got nothing" . And again(you didnt mention it in your last post, but i want this out of the air) we worked not closed together we didnt worked together at all, we talked on icq thats not working together, my work is totally different then bratts work and i work alone.

For her to make claims and not follow up on them to put out bullshit fires that start from her comments.. That's a real pro there isn't it?? [/b]

i never have said i am a pro!
But i have to say the way you handle the situation in this thread here you realy show how proffesional you are.

[Kezza]

I have a few things to say regarding all this... and I know that it is actually none of my business... except Stu is a collegue of mine and I totally respect her.

Copying anyone's sites, in any respect, is a very bad thing... getting ideas from others sites... well that is a different matter.

While, after several readings, I know I don't understand exactly what Kre8or is saying... I do find it strange that someone who is not a newbie (and I did assume that incorectly via icq to Bratt)... and I think 5 years in the adult industry has been mentioned (please correct me if I am wrong there) does not see that copying ANYTHING is wrong.

Did Stuvelte and Bratt work together in the past? I have no idea and do not care really... Has Stuvelte's site been compromised because it has been copied... probably... Did the copier know it was wrong... of course they did... (5 years is a long time to figure this all out)

Yes, Ingrid is my friend and a reviewer at our link lists... but she is also one of the most professional people we have ever met in this industry. She is imaginative and, yes, has some bizarre ideas... that really work for her... she is one of the unique webmasters that really do analyse their clients and gives them what they want... Is she successful... shit YEAH! A true professional and a true success.

I am always impressed that she achieves so much and English is her second language.

I remember well when Dan was setting the site up for her and she was a total newbie.

Having seen that cache in yahoo... and having heard of her discussions a few weeks back... (via icq messges being forwarded on) about the same issue... I am certainly not surprised that this thread exists, (my only surprise was she didnt post in the correct forum... but thankfully someone at GG&J moved it) It had to. No one sits back and lets their unique work be copied... do we??? No... we bitch on boards... report to hosts and sponsors... we try and rectify what is wrong... and copying (in any respect) is wrong.

Professional webmasters do not copy anything. And (sadly) if they do, they certainly do not upload them. .. they modify and make them their own. Meta tags are certainly not that difficult for a couple of webmasters who have been in the industry over 12 months. (or 5 years)

I dont know who Wasi is, or who Twiceshy is... but I would like to offer this friendly advice to them both: It is always good to back up a friend if you feel they are being attacked in an unfounded way... but it is also a good idea to have some substance to your posts. Have some strong facts to back up how you feel. I am sure people would read your posts with more compassion and understanding.

[Bratt]

I talked to stu the whole time this site was being built. I saw her metas and I do remember asking her about them and if the extra tags that I didn't have on my other sites at the time helped. She said they were good to have and I copied them. The page that she speaks of first is called test2 and was a page in progress. I had used another page from my site, copied her metas into it, and turned it into a new page on my site for links. It was never to be uploaded like that with the meta text not being replaced. When I had to do a total domain upload it got uploaded and I wasn't aware of it.

As I said above, I asked her about the metas and she said that the ones I didnt' have were good to have. When they were copied into that test page, the entire page was changed and uploaded. I had to do a total domain upload and obviously the test page got uploaded. When stu came to me a month ago and said that I copied her, I asked many times and all she would give me is the root domain. I had no idea at that time what she was talking about as the index page was fine and had been there for almost 3 years. She had link trades on it, she had seen it when I first went live with the site. I remember back during the summer, she was telling me that I should have a separate link page and I should call it 'sex links' and put it on my categories, so I built it. Obviously, using a test page from my computer and forgetting to change the metas on it. I even remember showing her the links page and she nor I noticed that I had mistakenly left her metas in the page. When it was mentioned in this thread the exact page she was referring to, I changed the metas. There is no test page on my computer or the server. I saw the yahoo cache and looked on the server for this test2.html and there is no such page. Stu has given my ideas throughout the time I have known her just as any webmasters share information. I have shown her most all of my work and this is the first and only time anything has been said and the part that is bothersome to me the most is that she has seen this site since the very beginning and that was 3 years ago. There was no mention then or anytime since about anything on this site being copied. The only thing copied were some meta tags that I didnt' have and that I had spoken to her about. That was done this past summer when I added the links page. This has been changed and taken care of. End of story. A mistake made, and fixed. Had I been aware of it prior to, or had I been told about the page it would have been taken care of then.

The only reason Kre8t0r came into this is because I was so upset that someone I considered a friend/co-worker turned on me like a rabid dog instead of telling me what was upsetting her. Instead she tells me part of it, and then posts rants. This has nothing to do with him. He did not build that page. The page in question was done after the site was finished and had been there three years.

The problem has been corrected, stu is done with this thread (see her post above)

[Bratt]

sorry, it posted twice

[stuveltje]

would give me is the root domain. I had no idea at that time what she was talking about as the index page was fine and had been there for almost 3 years.

oke on icq it was 2 years in this thread it sais 3 years your whois sais you have the domain since 16 jun 2003 and if you look in the waybackmachine you will see how your site looked in jun and the rest of the months. so you dont have that index for 3 years wayback machine proofs that, and i am still wondering why i am posting here

[stuveltje]

I saw the yahoo cache and looked on the server for this test2.html and there is no such page

the page was there and you removed it 5 minutes after i icq kre with the url and saying : you still saying you made the page.

Bratt its better you dont post further because you post things which arent true, now 3 years its easy to proof, and the layout, Dan posted,(he made that for me) btw He learned me this bizz and hell did i made him pull his hair out!
i told kre a month ago that i know the real person who made that design, but he didnt care, how stupid you can be to post you have the design for 3 years on the domain while its easy to check on your whoist of the domain and in the "way back machine" !That i was showing kre a month ago, but then he didnt care ... he showed me for real how he thought of his position and mine, well i showed him his position now...call me shit ...you will regret it ...do i think me an professional? No i am not , i dont know all and i am still learning after 3 years, thats bizz all about learing, do i have respect for people ...oh yes i am , i got my tag on newbie board because i care about newbies ( and remember the fact it was never mention in a newsletter that i was an advisor? why because i dont fucking care about the tag.. i told them i didnt want to be mention in the newsletter, i am not more then others and i liked to keep it that way), i still see myself as a newbie, so much to learn, i also know how hard it is for a newbie to post on a board, i was more then a year on the net before i dare to post on the board and someone had to convince me (or how you name that) i wouldnt get killed if i post, now thats what newbies at ans like about me i will be there if they get attacked at ans! but what i dont allow is cheaters and i am playing fair, if you accuse some one of stealing you post proof, i did, kre and you keep saying i never gave you proof and yes i did about 5 times, kre also mention to me in icq while we fighted , i may not dare to copie and past our conversation to others , well geuss what i did, because no one is going to tell me to do or not to do if i am right, alot have seen the proof a month ago already, and i dont have to hit up people on icq to post for me or to explain, hell i ask them not to post, you guys realy showed your professional way on this board!!! With this saying i am realy done! you know i have asked you to remove all the linkstrades i have with your and kres sites( and again a fact i never asked for the link trades you did, i have my own way to get a good position) and even kre would take my tag, that tag isnt important , what important is alot of people believe in me ..even you have a high position and i am nothing in a persons face...you may not copy or steal!!!!! I AM DONE !!!