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RawAlex · 2005-11-19, 12:37 PM

Gonzo, while agree with on most of your points taken on an individual case basis, the reality is a "whole ball of wax". In this ball of wax is a girl doing extreme bondage, soliciting for clients (for acts that most straight people would feel are at least somewhat sexual in nature, hence the revealing constumes, nudity, and the like), and a webmaster program that sends traffic into the mix from porn sites.

Nothing can be taken without context, and the context says "this is a porn site where the girl solicites for clients at $300 an hour, and then requires they are donations not fees". If this was above board, she would take the $300 as a hourly rate and not play games. By playing the old hooker game "it's not a price for sex, it's a donation to show appreciation for me", she puts herself in the same game.

Her traffic comes from porn. She acts like a hooker. She operates a "sexual" business receiving clients in a residential neighborhood. When she gets caught, she doesn't run to the S&M people for support, but tries to claim "porn webmaster" and tries to get the support of our industry.

Except for a webmaster program that cuts the webmasters out of the most profitable part of the business (the donations) she has little or nothing to do with our industry.

Oh yeah, while canaries are good, enough dead canaries can really stink a place up... especially when you didn't put them there to start with.

Alex

GonZo · 2005-11-19, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Gonzo, while agree with on most of your points taken on an individual case basis, the reality is a "whole ball of wax". In this ball of wax is a girl doing extreme bondage, soliciting for clients (for acts that most straight people would feel are at least somewhat sexual in nature, hence the revealing constumes, nudity, and the like), and a webmaster program that sends traffic into the mix from porn sites.

Nothing can be taken without context, and the context says "this is a porn site where the girl solicites for clients at $300 an hour, and then requires they are donations not fees". If this was above board, she would take the $300 as a hourly rate and not play games. By playing the old hooker game "it's not a price for sex, it's a donation to show appreciation for me", she puts herself in the same game.

Her traffic comes from porn. She acts like a hooker. She operates a "sexual" business receiving clients in a residential neighborhood. When she gets caught, she doesn't run to the S&M people for support, but tries to claim "porn webmaster" and tries to get the support of our industry.

Except for a webmaster program that cuts the webmasters out of the most profitable part of the business (the donations) she has little or nothing to do with our industry.

Oh yeah, while canaries are good, enough dead canaries can really stink a place up... especially when you didn't put them there to start with.

Alex

It doesnt matter...according to the 1st Amendment shes entitled to have that site up.

If shes pimping her ass on the side / which she says shes not/ thats an entirely different issue and Im sure that forensic van will get to the bottom of it.

It doesnt matter to me if shes hiding behind it...a ball of wax or a pile of dead birds. If the evidence concludes that shes a hooker then Im sure thats what she will be convicted of.

We have another saying in the US its "innocent until proven guilty". Right now shes just under investigation.

Anyone that knows me will tell you that I have a very vocal distaste for the scammers and thieves in this industry. Hell I just chimed in on a Zoo thread to call shaving what it really is....STEALING!

I agree with you, Tommy and Green Guy that it reflects bad on the entire industry BUT if she wasnt selling sex [like she says] then the only thing shes guilty of is bad business ethics.

Im shocked Im debating the legislation and enforcement of morality with someone else in this business.

Some of yall need to accept it like Tommy said.... we are all PORNOGRAPHERS! Your fooling yourself if you think anything else.

Yall are going to keep on and Ill come back into the B2B side of this business and it wont be pretty. hahaah

Hammer · 2005-11-19, 12:59 PM

You may want to look up the word 'employee' in the dictionary Bob, because if you were 'employed' by that company to do any of the work -- whether you received benefits and they took out your taxes and you punched in on a clock or you worked for them strictly on a freelance basis -- you were employed by them. The point is not whether or not you consider yourself an employee, the point is that you slammed their work and if I ran that company, I'd be more than a little upset by it.

Beaver Bob · 2005-11-19, 01:01 PM

I'll find out soon enough

I dont think he'll be too upset tho.

GonZo · 2005-11-19, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaver Bob

I'll find out soon enough

I dont think he'll be too upset tho.

Speaking of errors in business ethics....

Hammer · 2005-11-19, 01:08 PM

There's not really any such thing as legal porn because it all comes down to a particular community's stand on obscenity, but there is somewhat legal porn, absolutely illegal porn and everything in between. If you deal in 'extreme' porn, you're playing a lot closer to the illegal fence and chances are a lot better that someone from the other side can reach over and grab you.

RawAlex · 2005-11-19, 01:35 PM

Gonzo, it is like any undesirable part of our business. Spammers and toolbar jerks are technically a "part of our business", but like a cancerous growth, I don't have to be happy about having it and I sure would like to find a way to get rid of it.

Would wal-mart look good if it allowed people to sell crack in the entrance way to their stores because, well, they are also in the retail business?

Would the police tolerate a drive thru mcdonalds that also sold smack? Again, they are both retail businesses.

The answer is no. I was able to go to this girl's site, and within seconds figure out the entire concept. If she was doing things that were clear legal and without issue, she wouldn't ask for "donations" but would set an hourly rate like any other professional and likely even collect local sales taxes as required. She chose the words, she chose the approach, and she chose the method. I report only what I see. What I saw was someone working "off the books", taking cash donation only because if she took payments for her work, she would be charged with solicitation without delay (at least in her own mind). Crime is often about intent, and not reality.

At the end of the day, claiming to be a poor downtrodden, abuse by the man, screwed over by the cops "webmistress" isn't holding much water.

She runs an incall dungeon in a residential neighborhood. She thought that sneaking it in with the city as a "photo studio" would keep them from looking.

She runs what appears to be an incall sexual services situation in a residential neighborhood. (I use appears to represent what her neighbors would think, not what "enlightened porn webmasters might think).

She appears to solicite for prostitution or sexual situations online.

As a side note, if she is charging money to people and then put their images on the net, she is likely doing it without an enforcable model release. The basis of a model release is one of work and recompense. Since the model is both working and paying to be there, the potential is that the model releases are not enforceable because the models did not receive compensation for their appearance (and a whipping that you paid for isn't compensation).

I think the funniest part is that she appears surprised that the police showed up.

Alex

weirdharold · 2005-11-19, 01:53 PM

I am often amazed by how those who should be most prepared to stand up for others rights... attack from a supposed superior position... forgetting that what they are now doing was at one time considered to be completely illegal!

The way the governments are regulating all aspects of our lives... removing control of our very basic rights from us... and forming a "one world point of law"....

We all need to take advantage of each and every opportunity to speak out for the protection of the 1st Amendment and even each of the basic rights of each individual to make their own decisions to control their own lives!

GonZo · 2005-11-19, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weirdharold

I am often amazed by how those who should be most prepared to stand up for others rights... attack from a supposed superior position... forgetting that what they are now doing was at one time considered to be completely illegal!

The way the governments are regulating all aspects of our lives... removing control of our very basic rights from us... and forming a "one world point of law"....

We all need to take advantage of each and every opportunity to speak out for the protection of the 1st Amendment and even each of the basic rights of each individual to make their own decisions to control their own lives!

You said it much better than I did Harold!
Amen!!

Greenguy · 2005-11-19, 02:04 PM

BLESS AMERICA

GonZo · 2005-11-19, 01:54 PM

Sometimes I wonder if your in the same business I am Alex....

What I find even more interesting is the sudden silence.
I see the "Empress" logged in.

How about an update?
Been charged with anything yet?
I can only figure shes logged in via other means like a cellphone or shes at Kinkos alaConfucy since all her gear got confiscated.

Or were you seeking more than advice?

juggernaut · 2005-11-19, 02:06 PM

I'm jumping you here. I dont know your story. I was not there. But from what you posted something is not correct. You stated that you were in the house when the cops came in. Then you stated that you pulled up to the house and a van was in your driveway and from what I gather they were already in your house. Better calm down, get a lawyer and get your facts on point.

RawAlex · 2005-11-19, 02:08 PM

1st amendment arguments in the US have reached the level of, well, stupid. It has come down to a series of bizarre absolutes (everything must be free or nothing is free).

What you guys tend to forget is that looking at this whole situation, the girl was running a commercial dungeon in a residential neighborhood. I am sorry, but freedom or not, I won't want a whiphouse next door to mine. I don't want my children exposed to it, and I don't think that an commercial (receiving clinets) adult business should operate in a residential neighborhood.

Does the 1st amendment give her the right to lower the living standards of her neighborhood? Does it give her the right potentially expose her chosen lifestyle to children around that area? To bring people into the neighborhood that might find children tasty? Think hard.

More over, I think it is sad to have her come here and cry for support. It doesn't have anything to do with her online activities (otherwise her website would likely be toasted as well). It isn't our fight.

Bill · 2005-11-19, 02:26 PM

Alex, it's not that 'cut and dried', not here in the states at least.

Literally, every person involved in any aspect of the porn biz here in the US could face a police bustdown of the door.

We have friends who are doing actual porn production, holding cameras and shooting sex, in their houses or their friends houses, and any of those good folks good hear the pounding on the door.

Cam girls, photogs and videogs, even little page builders like me could face the gloved fist and the handcuffs.

EmpressM on her contact page does seem to be soliciting - but any one of us could also be arrested if the local cops and prosecutors get a wild hair up their butt.

RawAlex · 2005-11-19, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

Alex, it's not that 'cut and dried', not here in the states at least.

Literally, every person involved in any aspect of the porn biz here in the US could face a police bustdown of the door.

We have friends who are doing actual porn production, holding cameras and shooting sex, in their houses or their friends houses, and any of those good folks good hear the pounding on the door.

Cam girls, photogs and videogs, even little page builders like me could face the gloved fist and the handcuffs.

EmpressM on her contact page does seem to be soliciting - but any one of us could also be arrested if the local cops and prosecutors get a wild hair up their butt.

Bill, if she was but a camgirl sitting at home making movies by herself, then yes, I would be saying "our community should stand up". Realistically, this is a mistress running a public bondage dungeon in a residential neighborhood and that is a different kettle of fish.

The straight and normal porn industry is pretty much established and existing, and has so for more than 20 years. Vivid and the like are not hiding their businesses, are they?

I just have a problem with someone who appears to have flaunted the law in so many ways coming crying to us for protection and support. Should Wal-mart help the legal defence funds of drug dealers because they are both in the retail business?

It isn't very logical to me.

Alex

doublep · 2005-11-20, 07:24 AM

"To bring people into the neighborhood that might find children tasty? Think hard."

I was wondering how long it would take you to bring up paedophilia - can't we just cut this waffle and take the bitch out and stone her?

Divide and conquer!

GonZo · 2005-11-20, 07:48 AM

[quote=doublep can't we just cut this waffle and take the bitch out and stone her?[/QUOTE]

Classless.

doublep · 2005-11-20, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo

Classless.

I was being sarcastic Gonzo!

GonZo · 2005-11-20, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doublep

I was being sarcastic Gonzo!

I only know what I see on here since I dont know you. Sorry for jumping the gun.

Thought provoking thread on many levels nonetheless...one of the better ones Ive seen in months..

Quite a refreshing change as opposed to reading good morning greetings or cut and past of news articles.

Useless · 2005-11-20, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doublep

can't we just cut this waffle and take the bitch out and stone her?

Not until I get my spanking!

Hammer · 2005-11-19, 02:15 PM

Alex, I think you want to have your cake and eat it too. You don't want a 'whip house' next door, but it's okay for you to run a porn biz from your house because your clients don't have to come to your house? You're still a deviate in the eyes of many and I guarantee you, in many parts of the country you'd be looked at with more disdain than Webwoman. Do you think people would like to have a pornographer living next door to their kids?

You seem to be completely against prostitution from what I can tell from your rant. There is absolutely no difference between a woman having sex with a guy and both of them being paid by a producer and a woman having sex with a man and being paid by the man. They are both selling their bodies, they're just being paid by different people yet according to the law, one is pandering and the other is artistic expression.

I'm with Gonzo, are you really in the porn business?

ardentgent · 2005-11-19, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammer

Alex, I think you want to have your cake and eat it too. You don't want a 'whip house' next door, but it's okay for you to run a porn biz from your house because your clients don't have to come to your house? You're still a deviate in the eyes of many and I guarantee you, in many parts of the country you'd be looked at with more disdain than Webwoman. Do you think people would like to have a pornographer living next door to their kids?

You seem to be completely against prostitution from what I can tell from your rant. There is absolutely no difference between a woman having sex with a guy and both of them being paid by a producer and a woman having sex with a man and being paid by the man. They are both selling their bodies, they're just being paid by different people yet according to the law, one is pandering and the other is artistic expression.

I'm with Gonzo, are you really in the porn business?

Well said.

Bill · 2005-11-19, 03:34 PM

So the zoning part of this debate should presumably be dropped. It's not the issue.

Thinking about this reminded me about free porn pages advertising adult dating sites like AFF and so many others.

From what I've heard, most of these adult dating sites are basically just fronts for escorts and prostitutes. Most of the female "profiles" are fakes or escorts. I've read articles from the escort community describing how to use the adult dating site sto get paying customers.

But I see a lot of people selling the adult dating stuff.

Isn't that soliciting? Selling soliciting services, at least?

furrygirl · 2005-11-19, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammer

Alex, I think you want to have your cake and eat it too. You don't want a 'whip house' next door, but it's okay for you to run a porn biz from your house because your clients don't have to come to your house? You're still a deviate in the eyes of many and I guarantee you, in many parts of the country you'd be looked at with more disdain than Webwoman. Do you think people would like to have a pornographer living next door to their kids?

You seem to be completely against prostitution from what I can tell from your rant. There is absolutely no difference between a woman having sex with a guy and both of them being paid by a producer and a woman having sex with a man and being paid by the man. They are both selling their bodies, they're just being paid by different people yet according to the law, one is pandering and the other is artistic expression.

Wow, Hammer and I agree on something.

Hammer · 2005-11-19, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by furrygirl

Wow, Hammer and I agree on something.

It's bound to happen from time to time. You can't always be wrong.

2005-11-19, 12:59 PM	#3
Hammer Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 62	You may want to look up the word 'employee' in the dictionary Bob, because if you were 'employed' by that company to do any of the work -- whether you received benefits and they took out your taxes and you punched in on a clock or you worked for them strictly on a freelance basis -- you were employed by them. The point is not whether or not you consider yourself an employee, the point is that you slammed their work and if I ran that company, I'd be more than a little upset by it. __________________ Hammer Porn Site Pros - Complete free and paysite packages $500 off our gay pay sites for the holidays

2005-11-19, 01:01 PM	#4
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2005-11-19, 01:08 PM	#6
Hammer Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 62	There's not really any such thing as legal porn because it all comes down to a particular community's stand on obscenity, but there is somewhat legal porn, absolutely illegal porn and everything in between. If you deal in 'extreme' porn, you're playing a lot closer to the illegal fence and chances are a lot better that someone from the other side can reach over and grab you. __________________ Hammer Porn Site Pros - Complete free and paysite packages $500 off our gay pay sites for the holidays

2005-11-19, 02:04 PM	#10
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2005-11-19, 02:15 PM	#21
Hammer Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 62	Alex, I think you want to have your cake and eat it too. You don't want a 'whip house' next door, but it's okay for you to run a porn biz from your house because your clients don't have to come to your house? You're still a deviate in the eyes of many and I guarantee you, in many parts of the country you'd be looked at with more disdain than Webwoman. Do you think people would like to have a pornographer living next door to their kids? You seem to be completely against prostitution from what I can tell from your rant. There is absolutely no difference between a woman having sex with a guy and both of them being paid by a producer and a woman having sex with a man and being paid by the man. They are both selling their bodies, they're just being paid by different people yet according to the law, one is pandering and the other is artistic expression. I'm with Gonzo, are you really in the porn business? __________________ Hammer Porn Site Pros - Complete free and paysite packages $500 off our gay pay sites for the holidays

2005-11-19, 12:37 PM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Gonzo, while agree with on most of your points taken on an individual case basis, the reality is a "whole ball of wax". In this ball of wax is a girl doing extreme bondage, soliciting for clients (for acts that most straight people would feel are at least somewhat sexual in nature, hence the revealing constumes, nudity, and the like), and a webmaster program that sends traffic into the mix from porn sites. Nothing can be taken without context, and the context says "this is a porn site where the girl solicites for clients at $300 an hour, and then requires they are donations not fees". If this was above board, she would take the $300 as a hourly rate and not play games. By playing the old hooker game "it's not a price for sex, it's a donation to show appreciation for me", she puts herself in the same game. Her traffic comes from porn. She acts like a hooker. She operates a "sexual" business receiving clients in a residential neighborhood. When she gets caught, she doesn't run to the S&M people for support, but tries to claim "porn webmaster" and tries to get the support of our industry. Except for a webmaster program that cuts the webmasters out of the most profitable part of the business (the donations) she has little or nothing to do with our industry. Oh yeah, while canaries are good, enough dead canaries can really stink a place up... especially when you didn't put them there to start with. Alex

2005-11-19, 01:35 PM	#7
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Gonzo, it is like any undesirable part of our business. Spammers and toolbar jerks are technically a "part of our business", but like a cancerous growth, I don't have to be happy about having it and I sure would like to find a way to get rid of it. Would wal-mart look good if it allowed people to sell crack in the entrance way to their stores because, well, they are also in the retail business? Would the police tolerate a drive thru mcdonalds that also sold smack? Again, they are both retail businesses. The answer is no. I was able to go to this girl's site, and within seconds figure out the entire concept. If she was doing things that were clear legal and without issue, she wouldn't ask for "donations" but would set an hourly rate like any other professional and likely even collect local sales taxes as required. She chose the words, she chose the approach, and she chose the method. I report only what I see. What I saw was someone working "off the books", taking cash donation only because if she took payments for her work, she would be charged with solicitation without delay (at least in her own mind). Crime is often about intent, and not reality. At the end of the day, claiming to be a poor downtrodden, abuse by the man, screwed over by the cops "webmistress" isn't holding much water. She runs an incall dungeon in a residential neighborhood. She thought that sneaking it in with the city as a "photo studio" would keep them from looking. She runs what appears to be an incall sexual services situation in a residential neighborhood. (I use appears to represent what her neighbors would think, not what "enlightened porn webmasters might think). She appears to solicite for prostitution or sexual situations online. As a side note, if she is charging money to people and then put their images on the net, she is likely doing it without an enforcable model release. The basis of a model release is one of work and recompense. Since the model is both working and paying to be there, the potential is that the model releases are not enforceable because the models did not receive compensation for their appearance (and a whipping that you paid for isn't compensation). I think the funniest part is that she appears surprised that the police showed up. Alex

2005-11-19, 01:53 PM	#8
weirdharold A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 53	I am often amazed by how those who should be most prepared to stand up for others rights... attack from a supposed superior position... forgetting that what they are now doing was at one time considered to be completely illegal! The way the governments are regulating all aspects of our lives... removing control of our very basic rights from us... and forming a "one world point of law".... We all need to take advantage of each and every opportunity to speak out for the protection of the 1st Amendment and even each of the basic rights of each individual to make their own decisions to control their own lives!

2005-11-19, 01:54 PM	#11
GonZo You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta,Ga Posts: 893	Sometimes I wonder if your in the same business I am Alex.... What I find even more interesting is the sudden silence. I see the "Empress" logged in. How about an update? Been charged with anything yet? I can only figure shes logged in via other means like a cellphone or shes at Kinkos alaConfucy since all her gear got confiscated. Or were you seeking more than advice?

2005-11-19, 02:06 PM	#12
juggernaut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Jersey! If I was rich and powerful I would dress as my avatar does. Posts: 1,448	I'm jumping you here. I dont know your story. I was not there. But from what you posted something is not correct. You stated that you were in the house when the cops came in. Then you stated that you pulled up to the house and a van was in your driveway and from what I gather they were already in your house. Better calm down, get a lawyer and get your facts on point.

2005-11-19, 02:08 PM	#13
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	1st amendment arguments in the US have reached the level of, well, stupid. It has come down to a series of bizarre absolutes (everything must be free or nothing is free). What you guys tend to forget is that looking at this whole situation, the girl was running a commercial dungeon in a residential neighborhood. I am sorry, but freedom or not, I won't want a whiphouse next door to mine. I don't want my children exposed to it, and I don't think that an commercial (receiving clinets) adult business should operate in a residential neighborhood. Does the 1st amendment give her the right to lower the living standards of her neighborhood? Does it give her the right potentially expose her chosen lifestyle to children around that area? To bring people into the neighborhood that might find children tasty? Think hard. More over, I think it is sad to have her come here and cry for support. It doesn't have anything to do with her online activities (otherwise her website would likely be toasted as well). It isn't our fight.

2005-11-19, 02:26 PM	#14
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Alex, it's not that 'cut and dried', not here in the states at least. Literally, every person involved in any aspect of the porn biz here in the US could face a police bustdown of the door. We have friends who are doing actual porn production, holding cameras and shooting sex, in their houses or their friends houses, and any of those good folks good hear the pounding on the door. Cam girls, photogs and videogs, even little page builders like me could face the gloved fist and the handcuffs. EmpressM on her contact page does seem to be soliciting - but any one of us could also be arrested if the local cops and prosecutors get a wild hair up their butt.

2005-11-20, 07:24 AM	#16
doublep If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 306	"To bring people into the neighborhood that might find children tasty? Think hard." I was wondering how long it would take you to bring up paedophilia - can't we just cut this waffle and take the bitch out and stone her? Divide and conquer!

2005-11-20, 07:48 AM	#17
GonZo You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta,Ga Posts: 893	[quote=doublep can't we just cut this waffle and take the bitch out and stone her?[/QUOTE] Classless.

2005-11-19, 03:34 PM	#23
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	So the zoning part of this debate should presumably be dropped. It's not the issue. Thinking about this reminded me about free porn pages advertising adult dating sites like AFF and so many others. From what I've heard, most of these adult dating sites are basically just fronts for escorts and prostitutes. Most of the female "profiles" are fakes or escorts. I've read articles from the escort community describing how to use the adult dating site sto get paying customers. But I see a lot of people selling the adult dating stuff. Isn't that soliciting? Selling soliciting services, at least?