Do you think our adult sites have any political infulance - Page 3

Linkster · 2006-01-22, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim

This is the exact same law that was shot down by the Supreme Court years ago. It was an actual law for a month where everyone involved with a child accessing an adult site was fined $50k. From the site owner, to the host, to the isp and finally to the library or school or where ever the kid got access.

It was the Democrats that came up with the original law and Reno went against the ACLU at the Supreme Court. The Court shot it down but it was very scary for a while. Now with the new Chief Justice and with Alito about to be confirmed, things could easily swing the other way. It's too bad there is no Double Jeopardy with the Supreme Court. Or even dismissed with prejudice.
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Jim - thats the thing thats being missed by a lot of people here - we did do something on our websites back then and it seemed to actually garner some support in the media/public back then (remember the ribbons and black page websites?)

And you are totally correct - all of the recent "fervor" over these issues is all (according to the filing papers the DOJ just filed in court) linked back to this original law that was overturned by the Supreme Court. When they overturned it the case was NOT closed - the court gave DOJ recommendations on how to make their case more solid - and that is why the recent request was put out to the search engines for data - so that DOJ could win this time.

MadMax · 2006-01-21, 03:14 PM

If someone would like to get all the bullet points together, I'd be happy to go over the copy and polish it. I'm a published writer, editor and back in the day I won awards for some of my work. I know the tone we need and I can nail it, so I'd be happy to be the pointman on eloquence for this little project. An old friend used to say that my specialty was "masturbation of the written word," so my skills may be just what the doctor ordered

The best adult biz reference I can give on my writing is Simon, as I've done some extensive work for him. LMK if I'm needed

guestcam · 2006-01-21, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

If someone would like to get all the bullet points together, I'd be happy to go over the copy and polish it. I'm a published writer, editor and back in the day I won awards for some of my work. I know the tone we need and I can nail it, so I'd be happy to be the pointman on eloquence for this little project. An old friend used to say that my specialty was "masturbation of the written word," so my skills may be just what the doctor ordered

The best adult biz reference I can give on my writing is Simon, as I've done some extensive work for him. LMK if I'm needed

serperation of church and state. God was allowed by the forfathers, the church, the bible, the Koran, were not.

Writings by Jefferson, Adams, and other forefathers, clearly explain the first amendment was MEANT for unpopular speech.

All citizens and groups have a right to denounce the adult entertainment industry as immoral pornography; NONE of them have the right to call for imprissionment or punishment of the indivuduals in the adult industry.

US soldiers are fighting and dying in Afganistan and Iraq to stop Islamic extremists from punishing those selected as violating the laws of god as outlined in the Koran. Why do we allow the clery and their followers in this country to persecute those who violate the laws of god as outlined in the old and new testement.

neither sexual conduct nor sexual materials are immoral. Unless you follow what is outlined in the Holy Bible or the Koran. In the US, I may not be punished nor prosecuted for offending either religious text.

It isnt a fight to protect porn. Its a fight for your rights to not be religious, or of a certain religion, and not face consequences from any government agency because of that fact.

I AM moral;but my moral values do not consider my own or another personals sexual preferences, conduct or tastes as the proper forum to judge someone or myself as immoral.

those are rought cut but that's what comes to my mind as top issues.

H
aka click

MadMax · 2006-01-21, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by guestcam

serperation of church and state. God was allowed by the forfathers, the church, the bible, the Koran, were not.

Writings by Jefferson, Adams, and other forefathers, clearly explain the first amendment was MEANT for unpopular speech.

All citizens and groups have a right to denounce the adult entertainment industry as immoral pornography; NONE of them have the right to call for imprissionment or punishment of the indivuduals in the adult industry.

US soldiers are fighting and dying in Afganistan and Iraq to stop Islamic extremists from punishing those selected as violating the laws of god as outlined in the Koran. Why do we allow the clery and their followers in this country to persecute those who violate the laws of god as outlined in the old and new testement.

neither sexual conduct nor sexual materials are immoral. Unless you follow what is outlined in the Holy Bible or the Koran. In the US, I may not be punished nor prosecuted for offending either religious text.

It isnt a fight to protect porn. Its a fight for your rights to not be religious, or of a certain religion, and not face consequences from any government agency because of that fact.

I AM moral;but my moral values do not consider my own or another personals sexual preferences, conduct or tastes as the proper forum to judge someone or myself as immoral.

those are rought cut but that's what comes to my mind as top issues.

H
aka click

While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us

guestcam · 2006-01-21, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us

I dont think I get what you mean there.

you want to prevent us from prosecution, persecution and civil law suits with press releases and name calling? Am I reading that correctly?

MadMax · 2006-01-21, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by guestcam

you want to prevent us from prosecution, persecution and civil law suits with press releases and name calling? Am I reading that correctly?

Nope

I mean that if we're going to draft some sort of statement it needs to be approached as something positive (like a press release, even though it isn't), and that we can't start name calling or being irate if the goal is to try and send a message to the surfers that we're actually responsible business people; not the kind of monsters and sickos that the government makes us out to be

guestcam · 2006-01-22, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMax

While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us

by the way, to your original point in post #53 of this thread. You quote me and then say "Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling ".

Looking at what I wrote in my listing of talking points - please point out to me which of those is
1. name calling
2. negative

because I see niether (in that post).

Mattinblack · 2006-01-23, 01:31 PM

Ok since nobody is sticking their heads above the battlements here is my draft:

Coalition of Adult Web Content Publishers

We would like to make the following statements to those who would seek to outlaw all pornography on the world wide web.

1. Without exception every responsible Adult Webmaster despises Ch1ld P0rn0r4phy and will report such activities to the authorities whenever found. It must be realised that some models who are in fact in their 20's may appear far younger.

2. It is human nature to want to engage in sexual activity. For some individuals solo sexual activity is the only sexual release they have, for varying reasons not limited to but including disability, religious convictions (prohibiting extra marital sex), and appearance.

3. There are a small number of (mostly Eastern Bloc) webmasters who are tarnishing the image of the industry as a whole by exploiting children. Do we see a call for Banks to be abolished because they hold funds for Terrorists? Some of the proposed actions are on this scale.

4. The industry employs many thousands of people in the USA alone and many tens of thousands worldwide. Shutting this industry down would have an economic impact similar to closing all the car plants in the US and relocating them in Russia.

5. It is every human beings right to make their own mind up about what they will and will not do in life. For some people pornography is abhorrant and for some people pornography is a necessity. It is pointless for the state to 'nanny' the adults within its borders. Any ban simply forces the activity to go underground and keeps the profits in the hands of those unscrupulous people who caused the problem in the first place. Did we learn nothing from the Prohibition of Alchohol?

Simon · 2006-01-22, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

The best adult biz reference I can give on my writing is Simon, as I've done some extensive work for him.

Yes, I'd be willing to link to an accurate, well-written, positive statement hosted somewhere. And yes, I can tel you that Max definitely has the necessary skills and knowledge to pull off writing the kind of thing we'd need here.

Simon

Daily Wit: "Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?"

cosmiccat · 2006-01-22, 06:57 AM

Does anyone ever wonder if the idiots in Washington watch these boards?

guestcam · 2006-01-22, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmiccat

Does anyone ever wonder if the idiots in Washington watch these boards?

good. Maybe they will rethink thier attacking us then.

If We get OUR message out into the main stream media then that gop goldmine of religious right votes aint gonna be worth shit.

One religious zelot with a long beard in a long robe standing atop of rooftop to rally the crowd to find and punish those people who offend god and who offend all those good people who have god in their lives.

Another religious zelot, hair neatly trimmed, in a brooks brothers suit standing at the podium to rally the crowd to find and punish those people who offend god and who offend all those good people who have god in their lives.

Do good people tolerate either?

If the GOP is reading this: READ AND LEARN - Actual facts and real truth is on OUR side, not yours.

Exposing The real truth on why I do what I do and why YOU DO what you do, will keep me free and you indicted!

C

RawAlex · 2006-01-21, 03:53 PM

guestcam, I find that most of the time they try to play the "interest of the state" against the total freedom of speech. If the permitted speech isn't unduly restricted, then the state's interest in protecting children or whatever trumps whatever rights you may feel you have. All of the actions taken in the last couple of years has been in the direction of setting pornographers as a whole as abusers of children, either by allowing children to see the porn, or (cue Darth Vader music) to use children in mainstream porn productions.

I ain't shitting you, these dumbasses think that we all spend out time drooling over the 12 year old girl next door, trying to scam her into being in a porn movie that will be sold commercially and shown on HBO or whatever.

It is an interesting ploy to first tar and feather the industry as a whole, and then complain about the mess and the smell. By the time we get our shit together and start trying to get the tar off, they have already gotten the general public on their side and we look like shit.

"Senator, have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

"Mr Pornographer, have you stopped using children in your hardcore movies?"

Think about it.

Alex

guestcam · 2006-01-21, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

guestcam, I find that most of the time they try to play the "interest of the state" against the total freedom of speech. If the permitted speech isn't unduly restricted, then the state's interest in protecting children or whatever trumps whatever rights you may feel you have. All of the actions taken in the last couple of years has been in the direction of setting pornographers as a whole as abusers of children, either by allowing children to see the porn, or (cue Darth Vader music) to use children in mainstream porn productions.

I ain't shitting you, these dumbasses think that we all spend out time drooling over the 12 year old girl next door, trying to scam her into being in a porn movie that will be sold commercially and shown on HBO or whatever.

It is an interesting ploy to first tar and feather the industry as a whole, and then complain about the mess and the smell. By the time we get our shit together and start trying to get the tar off, they have already gotten the general public on their side and we look like shit.

"Senator, have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

"Mr Pornographer, have you stopped using children in your hardcore movies?"

Think about it.

Alex

you're preaching to the choir Alex

I dont disagree with you at all. My last post was answering what IMHO were talking points on this fight.

Dont get me started on the dumbasses who try to equate an adult website as the same as molesting a child! Its religious zelots who want to put people in jail for violating god's law. That this is illegal in the US isnt enough to save our asses; we need to remind ALOT of judicial personnel about that consituitional fact too.

Ann Omness · 2006-01-22, 10:03 AM

My two cents: While educating the public on freedom of speech issues and civil liberty is a laudable sentiment, it has little impact on the government. This is not a democracy. 98% of the election races have their results predetermined by gerrymandering by the party in power. Very few seats are genuinely up for grabs. The politicians are the ones who need to be educated, and they only listen when they're being paid to listen, or when you can demonstrate that you have a large, cohesive bloc of voters under your thumb. They vote for the hand that feeds them. Unless the adult industry comes up with a way to buy politicians just like the other special interest groups do, this industry will never have any respresentation in government.

walrus · 2006-01-22, 02:11 PM

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Does anyone ever wonder if the idiots in Washington watch these boards?

Nope, I have absolutely no doubt they do.

Ann, I agree with you to a point, I still, perhaps naively, believe that the people still hold the trump card. Motivating them enough to actually use it is a different story. A positive on target message can do that if properly done which means it has to remain an on-going effort. To do something today, without maintaining an on-going presence will only delay things while the opposition works to strengthen their own message and develop a means to disprove ours.

For them its a war, where I'm afraid we are just preparing for a battle.

KG Gary · 2006-01-22, 03:57 PM

Just a quick query, sorry for the intrusion....

Is the idea to protect adult webmasters from all political anti-porn garbage to protect the industry?
Or is it to specifically to protect us from the Bush-led anti-porn garbage?
Or is the idea to use adult webmasters as a political influence to get Bush out?
Or all of the above?
Or none of the above?

guestcam · 2006-01-22, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KG Gary

Just a quick query, sorry for the intrusion....

Is the idea to protect adult webmasters from all political anti-porn garbage to protect the industry?
Or is it to specifically to protect us from the Bush-led anti-porn garbage?
Or is the idea to use adult webmasters as a political influence to get Bush out?
Or all of the above?
Or none of the above?

well the 'bush-lead' (there's two words that dont belong together) threat is the immediate thread. Which would be more accurately labeled the right wing religious GOP threat.

Bush isnt the threat. his masters behind the curtain are.

IMHO the message, the BRANDING if you will, we need to work on every fucking day, is "Its not a war on porn, its a war on freespeech. It ALWAYS HAS BEEN."

No One in Amerrica should be imprissioned for offending someone else. EVER. That should NEVER happen no matter the topic of what is causing the offense.

furrygirl · 2006-01-23, 10:04 PM

I've been repeatedly accused of being a wide-eyed feminazi nutcase, so hopefully this post isn't seen as more anti-man butch dykery from Furry Girl...

But, I can't help but notice that almost everyone who wants to be a part of this project is male.

Porn is generally attacked on two grounds:
- It's all CP, and makes people to r*pe kids
- It's all violent and degrading to women, and makes men r*pe women and beat their wives

If you're going to counter that, I suggest having some female voices as a part of any project. A random unsigned "in defense of porn" statement would most likely be read as the product of men trying to justify themselves. A well-written piece that includes sex-positive feminist perspectives, including headshots of the authors, would be better received by anyone, right or left. (Because, don't forget, the left probably hates porn more than the right, they just don't have the power to do anything about it. While the right focuses on children and decency, the left focuses on "women's rights".)

Allfetish · 2006-01-22, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

I was thinking about this COPA thing
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28112

how many of you would run a 4 or 5 lines of text on your bigger sites and hubs

that might be linked to a artice with some facts on some page

I would be happy to do what I can as well. I would prefer that it focuses only on the porn issue itself and avoids attacking any one politician or party however. I'm not a Bush fan myself, but I sense that there will be more support if it sticks to the issues themselves. I also sense that many of our customers are republicans, believe it or not!! :lol:

MeatPounder · 2006-01-22, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfdeck

You don't win a boxing match by whining about how hard the other guy is pounding you in the face. You win by pounding the other guy to the ground.

It's a tough fight but we will win in the end!

And Here is the Proof!

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MadMax · 2006-01-23, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MeatPounder

It's a tough fight but we will win in the end!

And Here is the Proof!
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try this one

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...x&word2=christ

Halfdeck · 2006-01-23, 12:33 AM

How about this?

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...dren+from+porn

DJilla · 2006-01-24, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfdeck

How about this?

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...dren+from+porn

Cute link... that's a keeper!

Mr. Blue · 2006-01-23, 12:37 AM

This thread seems to be losing its focus and it's unfortunate that it is because something positive can come out of it. What we want is a professional statement written about the facts of what's going on, devoid of rabble rousing, devoid of personal attacks on any political entity or institution, and creating that "positive" message. If we agree that this is our goal / objective, what's the next step?

MadMax · 2006-01-23, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

This thread seems to be losing its focus and it's unfortunate that it is because something positive can come out of it. What we want is a professional statement written about the facts of what's going on, devoid of rabble rousing, devoid of personal attacks on any political entity or institution, and creating that "positive" message. If we agree that this is our goal / objective, what's the next step?

That's the page I'm on. Let's put together an outline and get it written.

2006-01-21, 03:14 PM	#2
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	If someone would like to get all the bullet points together, I'd be happy to go over the copy and polish it. I'm a published writer, editor and back in the day I won awards for some of my work. I know the tone we need and I can nail it, so I'd be happy to be the pointman on eloquence for this little project. An old friend used to say that my specialty was "masturbation of the written word," so my skills may be just what the doctor ordered The best adult biz reference I can give on my writing is Simon, as I've done some extensive work for him. LMK if I'm needed Last edited by MadMax; 2006-01-21 at 03:21 PM..

2006-01-23, 01:31 PM	#8
Mattinblack Asleep at the switch? I wasn't asleep, I was drunk Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London UK in a house share with three 28 yr old girls...perv perv Posts: 215	1st Draft Statement Ok since nobody is sticking their heads above the battlements here is my draft: Coalition of Adult Web Content Publishers We would like to make the following statements to those who would seek to outlaw all pornography on the world wide web. 1. Without exception every responsible Adult Webmaster despises Ch1ld P0rn0r4phy and will report such activities to the authorities whenever found. It must be realised that some models who are in fact in their 20's may appear far younger. 2. It is human nature to want to engage in sexual activity. For some individuals solo sexual activity is the only sexual release they have, for varying reasons not limited to but including disability, religious convictions (prohibiting extra marital sex), and appearance. 3. There are a small number of (mostly Eastern Bloc) webmasters who are tarnishing the image of the industry as a whole by exploiting children. Do we see a call for Banks to be abolished because they hold funds for Terrorists? Some of the proposed actions are on this scale. 4. The industry employs many thousands of people in the USA alone and many tens of thousands worldwide. Shutting this industry down would have an economic impact similar to closing all the car plants in the US and relocating them in Russia. 5. It is every human beings right to make their own mind up about what they will and will not do in life. For some people pornography is abhorrant and for some people pornography is a necessity. It is pointless for the state to 'nanny' the adults within its borders. Any ban simply forces the activity to go underground and keeps the profits in the hands of those unscrupulous people who caused the problem in the first place. Did we learn nothing from the Prohibition of Alchohol? __________________ Mattinblack - <a href="http://pornlinks.kwikfire.com">PornLinks</a> - <a href="http://strange-attractor.kwikfire.com">Strange Attractor</a> - <a href="pnav.kwikfire.com">PORNavigator</a> - <a href="http://ukescort.kwikfire.com/">Fem Escorts</a> - <a href="http://kwikfire.com/">Hosting</a>

2006-01-22, 06:57 AM	#10
cosmiccat You can't keep blaming yourself. Just blame yourself once, and move on Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 351	Does anyone ever wonder if the idiots in Washington watch these boards? __________________ Submit your galleries to Margo's Whorehouse

2006-01-22, 10:03 AM	#14
Ann Omness If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 308	My two cents: While educating the public on freedom of speech issues and civil liberty is a laudable sentiment, it has little impact on the government. This is not a democracy. 98% of the election races have their results predetermined by gerrymandering by the party in power. Very few seats are genuinely up for grabs. The politicians are the ones who need to be educated, and they only listen when they're being paid to listen, or when you can demonstrate that you have a large, cohesive bloc of voters under your thumb. They vote for the hand that feeds them. Unless the adult industry comes up with a way to buy politicians just like the other special interest groups do, this industry will never have any respresentation in government. __________________ Blue Wave Adult Links www.bluewavelinks.com/

2006-01-23, 10:04 PM	#18
furrygirl No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 281	I've been repeatedly accused of being a wide-eyed feminazi nutcase, so hopefully this post isn't seen as more anti-man butch dykery from Furry Girl... But, I can't help but notice that almost everyone who wants to be a part of this project is male. Porn is generally attacked on two grounds: - It's all CP, and makes people to rpe kids - It's all violent and degrading to women, and makes men rpe women and beat their wives If you're going to counter that, I suggest having some female voices as a part of any project. A random unsigned "in defense of porn" statement would most likely be read as the product of men trying to justify themselves. A well-written piece that includes sex-positive feminist perspectives, including headshots of the authors, would be better received by anyone, right or left. (Because, don't forget, the left probably hates porn more than the right, they just don't have the power to do anything about it. While the right focuses on children and decency, the left focuses on "women's rights".) __________________ furrygirl.com & vegporn.com & vegsexshop.com & eroticred.com Last edited by furrygirl; 2006-01-23 at 10:07 PM..

2006-01-21, 03:53 PM	#12
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	guestcam, I find that most of the time they try to play the "interest of the state" against the total freedom of speech. If the permitted speech isn't unduly restricted, then the state's interest in protecting children or whatever trumps whatever rights you may feel you have. All of the actions taken in the last couple of years has been in the direction of setting pornographers as a whole as abusers of children, either by allowing children to see the porn, or (cue Darth Vader music) to use children in mainstream porn productions. I ain't shitting you, these dumbasses think that we all spend out time drooling over the 12 year old girl next door, trying to scam her into being in a porn movie that will be sold commercially and shown on HBO or whatever. It is an interesting ploy to first tar and feather the industry as a whole, and then complain about the mess and the smell. By the time we get our shit together and start trying to get the tar off, they have already gotten the general public on their side and we look like shit. "Senator, have you stopped beating your wife yet?" "Mr Pornographer, have you stopped using children in your hardcore movies?" Think about it. Alex

2006-01-22, 03:57 PM	#16
KG Gary I can now put whatever I want in this space Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South East UK Posts: 744	Just a quick query, sorry for the intrusion.... Is the idea to protect adult webmasters from all political anti-porn garbage to protect the industry? Or is it to specifically to protect us from the Bush-led anti-porn garbage? Or is the idea to use adult webmasters as a political influence to get Bush out? Or all of the above? Or none of the above?

2006-01-23, 12:33 AM	#22
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	How about this? http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...dren+from+porn __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2006-01-23, 12:37 AM	#24
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	This thread seems to be losing its focus and it's unfortunate that it is because something positive can come out of it. What we want is a professional statement written about the facts of what's going on, devoid of rabble rousing, devoid of personal attacks on any political entity or institution, and creating that "positive" message. If we agree that this is our goal / objective, what's the next step? __________________ 69Blue.com ICQ #223487665