September 1st: Summer is over, right?

[RawAlex]

[This started out as a short post, but in the end my feelings and opinions came out… ]

Well, folks, it has been an interesting summer. As anyone who is in the online adult business knows, change is coming down the pipe really quickly in this industry now, and the realities of our end of the world is changing pretty much day by day. What worked yesterday doesn’t work today, and what worked this morning is already losing it’s glitter. Things have shifted from internet time to totally fucking out of this world warp speed. I sometimes feel like Fry on Futurama, when he takes his first trip to the moon. In his time it was a big thing, by then it’s all of about 5 seconds. That to me is how fast things are moving.

You don’t need to be all that smart to know that the ground is shifting under our feet. 10 years after this game started, the very foundations of the process are getting moved around. The relationships and connections between programs,sites, webmasters, surfers, and the search engines is changing rapidly, and the delivery methods for the end product is changing pretty much as fast as we can all imagine. Heck, Greenguy started asking for more pictures and larger images… you know the world is changing. I have been working on ideas towards how to meet the challenge of these changes for about a year now, thinking that rather than running quickly to stay ahead of the tide, that I needed to build a better boat and ride the tide forward. Almost a year ago, I started to change my business, and started to change the things I do every day. I started to spend more time on ideas, developments, and concepts, and less on the grind.

During a period of time, I also got involved in some discussions on this board that, in hind site, weren’t directly material to my personal business. In those threads, I expressed opinions about issues that face this industry, and about the actions of certain individuals, as well as a certain legal matter that was long discussed. I expressed opinions in those threads that I not only do not regret, but I feel that events have unfolded that supported my positions (zoning violations, who would have though it, right?), or have shown me not to be entirely off base.

Now, as many of you don’t know, there is an area on this board reserved for a smaller group of people (a very small group). Originally it was an area of private discussions between the board owners, moderators, and some close friends / link site operators, as a business space, a place to talk about new ideas, etc. Over time, it degraded down to a sort of friendly chat area with very little real buisness being done. The discussions in there are all over the road. Inside this area, I expressed an opinion about a board poster in a similar manner that one might do with his buddies at a bar… nothing particularly negative intended, just an opinion and a point of view. What I wasn’t clear on was that someone inside this private area was very good friends with that person, and took up their defence in a vigorous and often rude manner.

Now, you will notice that the public thread was about legal issues. The person making some pretty nasty public comments happens to have their 2257 address as, surprise surprise, a mailboxes etc PO box (a major no-no under the 1995 law, let alone the current rules). I suggested in an offhand manner that if the person didn’t back off, it would be somehow deserving to get a 2257 inspection (not nice, but an opinion), and that perhaps I should drop a dime on that person (again, not nice… but an opinion and nothing more).

Well, someone went off on me. Privately, publically, on the radio show, in the live chat rooms, and about anywhere else he could. That person, in case you haven’t figure it out, is Torn. Since that thread degraded (last summer, can you imagine time goes by that quickly?), Torn has been all over me like stink on shit, culminting (for me, anyway) on his cancelling a trip to the Greenguy Superbowl weekend because I would be there. For the next few months, I had to tolerate all sorts of abuses, personal attacks, and unkind words from Torn, and I had to take the time to defend myself from those charges, from his venom, from his hatred. So much was the venom and hatred expressed in the private discussion area that I resigned from it, and no longer participate in an area of this board that was very good for my business. It was a sad day for me, but I was left with little choice. I did remain part of the public forums, although I know I was posting less. I hoped that keeping things quiet would give him time to get over whatever it was that was so bothering him.

Then he got on the radio show and spent most of an hour ripping me a new asshole in public. Worse, rather than downplaying this or asking him to move on, his attacked were encouraged and extra people added to make sure the venom was turned up to 11. At that point, I started to realize that this wasn’t going to go away, no matter how nicely I played.

For me it came to a head on May 23rd, when I went into the live radio show to listen to Tommy co-hosting that evening. I was looking forward to an interesting show, I looked forward to learning something from a man who has blazed his own (very succcessful) path in this business, and to consider some of his ideas and concepts as things to put into some of the new projects I had been working on. I have much respect for Tommy, and I certainly was looking forward to the radio show, including using the IRC chat to perhaps ask some questions.

Sadly Torn also decided to attend that night, and when I made a comment about (I don’t even remember what, wasn’t important) I was hit with a barrage of “liar!” “fucking lying asshole” and about every other insult in the book. Totally intolerable levels of hatred spewed without regard for others. I apologized to many people, as I know it too away from their enjoyment of the radio show as well.

I expressed privately (and semi-privately) to the board owners that I was very disappointed that they allowed these personal attacks to continue. I had a hard time understanding how they could allow Member X to attack Member Y without any official sanction, comment, or request for peace. I asked many times over almost a year for just a simple “please ask Torn to keep his opinions about me personally to himself” and got nothing for it. I asked for the old “let the past stay in the past”, and get little on that. That truly disappointed me.

The day of the radio I came to realize that participation in this board under those circumstances wasn’t good for my business anymore. It wasn’t profitable, it wasn’t creating a good reputation for me, and having to spend all of my time downplaying or debating personal attacks was just no longer something I was going to tolerate. I had already stepped away from the private area, and again I was left with little choice. May 23rd, I stepped away from the board completely. Since that time, I have had exactly 9 posts, most of them either mentioning my recent server move or trying to contact someone about a blog had as part of Pornpig. Otherwise, I have been a non-participant.

Now it is September 1st. I have moved to a new host (Hi Sparky!), I have shed some older and non-productive domains, developed some alternate income streams, and laid the groundwork for a whole new era for me in this business, riding the tide to a better place. Just as importantly, I once again found my muse, and that is a good thing.

My decision about this place is different though. While I miss many of the people here, and I think everyone knows I love a good discussion (and a forceful debate), I am choosing not to be a part of many of those things. I am also choosing not to be part of the radio show (or discussions) except under very certain circumstances. You will not catch me in a chatroom at the same time as Torn, nor will I post in a thread that he is participating in. Quite simply, I have great respect for almost everyone that posts here, and I will not subject you to another round of Torn’s personal vendetta and venomous tirades in the future (sadly, I have a feeling that this post will bring one of those on, but I am hoping that the moderators and owners of this board are wise enough to nip it in the bud… hint hint!). I don’t want to degrade this place, I don’t want good and valid and interesting thread to be turned into piss and vinegar, and I don’t want to take away from anyone else’s enjoyment of this valuable resource.

I am sorry, but this post has gone on a little longer than expected. You will find me mostly in the blogs and blogging section and sometimes in the links area, but other than that, I am going to work with what is working and stick with my choices.

[Fonz]

Damn Alex, it looks like you took whole summer to write that post

I for one found all your posts very useful and learned a thing or 2 (probably a lot more) from them. It's always a shame to see things like this happen but then again, some things are the way they are and nothing can be done about it no matter what both parties may try.

You and Torn (sorry to mention you guys in the same sentence ) have been on this board (and probably on other places before that) from the beginning and I both met you guys in Miami 2 years ago. Too bad to hear/see that things has come this far.

Anyway, I'm going to contact you soon with another niche specific blog for pornpig real soon if you don't mind

[Greenguy]

Oh great! We get to go thru all of this one more fucking time

Alex - if you feel slighted by Jim or me, then go fuck yourself. As we both told you numerous times, we're not gong to get in the middle of it. You & Torn are both our friends & it sucks when friends fight, but when you can see both sides of the original argument, you tend to stay out of it (like I have told you many, many, many times)

As for the chat room incident when Tommy was on the show, you brought that on yourself with your cute little "indie" comment. Torn asked you if you really wanted to go down that road again & I guess you 2 did. BIG SECRET: I DON'T READ THE CHAT ROOM WHEN I'M DOING THE SHOW! When MML let me know what was going on, I read how it started & you can go look in the mirror at the person to blame for that particular incident.

In the eyes of the board, you are both right & you are both wrong. END OF DISCUSSION!

[docholly]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Now, as many of you don’t know, there is an area on this board reserved for a smaller group of people (a very small group).

There's a private area of the board???

|bus|

at least 1 good thing came out of that particular radio show.. we got this smile

[Greenguy]

Alex - if you have all this hatred toward me & Jim & how this was handled, why did you submit a site to me 10 minutes after you posted this?

Submitted by: rawalex at 02:55:18 on 1 Sep 2006

[Cleo]

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[Jim]

Alex, I spent a couple of days talking to you before summer trying to find a way to make the Peace between you and Torn. You had decided to just run away. And, that was fine but, here you are again. Has something changed?

I have to admit, when I saw the title of this thread, I was ready to welcome you back with a hearty handshake. If you were to listen to this week's radio show, you would hear me say that it was nice to see you back.

But now after reading your post, I see that you are just a miserable person. You brought to light things I never noticed last time.

I suggested in an offhand manner that if the person didn’t back off, it would be somehow deserving to get a 2257 inspection (not nice, but an opinion), and that perhaps I should drop a dime on that person (again, not nice… but an opinion and nothing more).

Why would you ever threaten someone with hurting them in that way? And, why would you ever want to hurt the business you call your own? You seem to have spent a lot of time finding sites that may hurt our business in one way or another. Why would you threaten to do it yourself? ehhh, this is a complete waste of time. I am tired of even thinking about it.

Next time Alex, write something and hold it for a little while.

[Torn Rose]

LOL, Classic! Nice way to wake up, I had a screen full of flashing orange ICQ messages; I thought it was xmas in September there was so many blinking lights.

Again DramaAlex does not tell the whole story, just his biased little side where he only looks like the victim until the whole truth comes out.

DramaAlex started a thread in the private area called “Furrygirl… does this end” which surprised me when I first saw it since I had zero clue that they was in a war of words in the public area since I rarely read threads that go past 2 pages.

He was asking what everyone thought he should do, keep it up or let it go, (guess he isn’t old enough to make his own decisions or IMHO, he wanted to get a gang after her since he wasn’t doing too well by himself) I made a comment or two still not knowing they was in a war that just said she and I was friends and what’s the point of this thread?

After more post by DramaAlex and a few others he and I started to debate the topic at which point he finally told me, a supposed friend, that my opinion is worth a cup of coffee at star bucks, (psst DramaAlex, this is where it started with me, you made it personal right here but your ego blinds you on your social skills) so I slapped him back a little asking who made him the “net police” and it went from there and we got into a very heated argument where he told me if I was in front of him he would slap me at which point I gave him my home address. (Still waiting on my doorbell to ring)

After some time he started a second thread on the same thing, so after 2 threads at 2-3 pages each, DramaAlex decided he was going to fuck with Furrygirl and call the media and police on her since her “whois” was not accurate.

This is where the line was crossed beyond imagination. Being so mad and full of hate that you will call the media/cops on someone just because they made you mad on a message board?

I told him that if anything happen to her, I would give him a piss war he never imagined, and others all jumped in saying that this was going too far and of course DramaAlex then tried to play it off as a joke, but he forgets he also said in the same post “I’ve done this before” and other comments on how much fun it is to fuck with peoples lives.

Just how long has this been burning DramaAlexs ass? The last post to the 2 threads which started this all was Dec 2005, Feb 2006 and nothing else has been said in the “secret area” for months and I believe there is a thread in public that a few things were said sometime in this past spring, and the radio show was Feb 2006 and nothing else done/said that I remember until Mid May in the chat room for the Tommy show and nothing has been said since until today other then the 2 shows that I have been a co host and chat participant where DramaAlex comes in, “opps, I came in the wrong night” and leaves, just long enough to create more drama.

Geeze, what a sad little life someone lives.

I stand by every word I have said, I have no problem with the threads coming out here in public, I would like to again ask that the 2 threads be brought to the public and the only post’s removed are the ones NOT made by DramaAlex or myself and any names in those post other then the subjects names, if DramaAlex thinks he is the hero in this and wants me to be tried/convicted in the mind of the posters here, then lets give them the WHOLE story and not just DramaAlexes biased and edited version.

This is not about Furrygirl anymore, I don’t care if people here like her or not, I do like her, *BUT, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER ON MANY ISSUES* just like I do not agree on many issues with Greenie, Jim and so many other friends I have here and in life.

This is about someone on a message board who wanted to get a gang of people after one person and then when that failed he wanted to ruin her life in a very real way.

We had our main domain hijacked a few years ago, I know who did it, I know how they did it, I just can not prove it in a court of law, and it was over BS drama on a message board. We lost our main income for over a week, and it took far longer then that to recover from it so I know exactly what bullshit he wanted to cause Furrygirl and all OVER NOTHING other then his hurt feelings.

As for canceling our trip to Buffalo, yes I did do that because I am a firm believe you do not walk into a friends house and shit on the floor and there is no way I can put on a smiley face and act like nothing happen when in the same room as DramaAlex.

I still consider Greenie and TheBitch to be very close and dear friends and they had enough drama in their lives then having to worry if there would be more drama during a large party, so I took the bullet and gave them a piece of mind. As far as I know there is no issue with GG/Bitch about us not coming, but if there is I am deeply sorry.

I canceled our trip when things got heated/personal between DramaAlex and myself, but it was still nothing that could not have been “fixed” given time which is what I was doing, giving it time. But then DramaAlex posted his “lets get the media and cops involved” post’s and that’s when I realized I want nothing more to do with this piece of shit.

DramaAlex, I have said it to you many times, if you have a problem with me, COME TO ME. I gave you my home address, I made sure you knew I would be in Miami (BTW, that was also someplace you said at GFY you would be at and yet you didn’t show) and I when we make plans to travel I will be sure to post here where and when.

I also will be at every radio show in the future, I will at least log into chat so that will save you time from trying to start more drama with “opps, I came in the wrong night” now that you know I plan to be at every show in the future.

But I still get a laugh about all this, this has been going on since 11-23-05 and there has been only one person who keeps bring it back to life after it being dead for months.

How sad is that?

[Useless]

The wife and I were looking over GG's list of SuperBowl party invitees about two nights ago. I noticed that Alex was not on the list, but Torn was. She said, "I guess we aren't going, are we?"

I would normally go off on one of my mostly undecipherable emotionally-driven rants in which I'd call Torn a cunt-faced prick who brings nothing to the table, but it's just not worth it anymore. (He wouldn't understand the big words anyway.) I think we all know on which side of the line I would have stood during that private fight, if I had not been kicked out of that secret forum much earlier.

Oh well, it's been fun. I'm going to go fuck myself (at least I'll be in good company).

[Torn Rose]

Nice to see the drama queens sticking togeather.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Alex - if you have all this hatred toward me & Jim & how this was handled, why did you submit a site to me 10 minutes after you posted this?

Submitted by: rawalex at 02:55:18 on 1 Sep 2006

There is a huge difference in my mind between "what happens on a chat board" and pure business.

I consider you and Jim friends, and that is never an issue. There is no HATRED involved here, not in the slightest. Disappointment with how this has been handled and how this has turned out, yes, but never hatred. That I don't like or don't agree with a choice doesn't create any hatred, I am just disappointed that I have to limit my activities here because of the type of post three before this.

Nothing more than that.

Alex

[Chop Smith]

...Since that time, I have had exactly 9 posts...

Damn, you did not even quailfy for the Super bowl pool. Want to play in the 'Shit and Giggles' pool?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Torn

...I stand by every word I have said, I have no problem with the threads coming out here in public, I would like to again ask that the 2 threads be brought to the public and the only post’s removed are the ones NOT made by DramaAlex or myself and any names in those post other then the subjects names, if DramaAlex thinks he is the hero in this and wants me to be tried/convicted in the mind of the posters here, then lets give them the WHOLE story and not just DramaAlexes biased and edited version....

Jim & I considered this idea, but since all parties involved do not wish for that particular discussion to be made public in an edited fashion, Jim & I have no decision to make.


Let me make it clear that Jim & I were considering this & that we had not made a decision - so even if everyone said it could go public, we were not sure if that was the right decision to make.

[Torn Rose]

Hmmmm...... I wonder who said no..... What do they have to lose if they are the one in the right?

[RawAlex]

My last words on the subject:

Torn, I said no. I read the editted transcripts carefully, and without all the venomous hate filled comments, the name calling, the insults, and the rudeness, and without the three other threads going on and everything playing in real time, it doesn't read well or follow along well at all. There are posts in there were I answer "nobody" and most of your posts, once the bad words and insults were removed were down to "I don't agree" and "how made you god" type comments.

I also had respect for that private chat area. I felt it to be a refuge from the world where people could say things privately that they wouldn't discuss publically.

Maybe a little story can help to explain my feelings: A group of people are at a company picnic. A couple of the guys are sitting around having a beer, and one says to the other.... "damn, Mary from accounting is well built... I wonder if those are real?". Sort of musing... the guy next to him says "Gee, I am not sure.... HEY MARY, COME ON OVER HERE, BOB WANTS TO KNOW IF YOUR TITS ARE REAL OR NOT".

Bob said something that he though was private, the other guy didn't consider it private, and went with it. Is Bob a fool because he though everyone else understood the same thing? Is the other guy just uncouth?

I trusted you to respect what I felt were private comments. That trust was apparently misplaced.

It also makes it clear that a summer off wasn't long enough.

[Torn Rose]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

My last words on the subject:

If only that was true, you have said this, what 10-15 times since Dec '05?

There is only one person beating this dead horse and that is you, you wanted to bring this to the light, then be a man and bring it all to the light.

[RawAlex]

Sorry, I do have to add this because I dislike anyone spreading lies about me:

Furrygirl's whois is very accurate. It is accurately a mailboxes etc or UPS store, which is also the address given as her 2257 address. I don't have to explain why that isn't exactly in line with the laws passed in 1993 or so.

I ran across this not in an attempt to defame her, but rather while collecting information for a discussion with a lawyer. It is very hard to serve a PO box, so checking these things ahead of time (making sure that the address you have works and is actually servable) is a pretty good idea.

The truth is much more banal than what it is being made out to be.

[Torn Rose]

LMAO!


POST THE ACTUAL THREADS YOU COWARD! You spin the truth more then Rove and Rummy combined.

[Torn Rose]

BTW, nice control you have.... 7 whole mins from the "last words on the subject" to a new post to the subject.

New Record?

[Jim]

OK, I had a post all set and my pc shutdown. I hate when that happens.

As an FYI...there are currently 4 secret forums on this board. One is for Moderators and one is for the deleted threads from spammers. Of the other 2, I don't even have access to 1 of them. I could have but it's none of my business so I took myself off the list.
End of the FYI

Neither Greenie nor myself ever wanted to be in the middle of this crap. And, we both thought it was over until this morning.

Both of us consider Torn and RawAlex as friends. And as friends, I am going to ask only one favor of both of you. For the love of christ, please let this thing die. If you both find yourselves in the chat room, just ignore each other. If you are posting in a thread at the same time, be civil and professional. That's really all I am asking...just be professional.

You guys need to stop now.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

My last words on the subject:

Torn, I said no. I read the editted transcripts carefully, and without all the venomous hate filled comments, the name calling, the insults, and the rudeness, and without the three other threads going on and everything playing in real time, it doesn't read well or follow along well at all. There are posts in there were I answer "nobody" and most of your posts, once the bad words and insults were removed were down to "I don't agree" and "how made you god" type comments.....

Alex - you are sorely mistaken if you think that thread was edited in any way other than the removal of posts that were not made by you & torn as well as the names of other people.

The posts that you & Torn made are EXACTLY the same as the day you made them (again, with the exception of when either of you address people)

As far as the copy of the thread that I emailed to you: To even fucking suggest that I editted your's or Torn's posts, that I removed comments, removed bad words, removed insults...if that's what you think, then you are NOT welcome on this board.

[Torn Rose]

Originally Posted by Greenie

The posts that you & Torn made are EXACTLY the same as the day you made them (again, with the exception of when either of you address people)

I agree 100%, nothing has been edited other then names of anyone not named DramaAlex, Torn, Trixie, Furrygirl.

[SirMoby]

I'll be more then happy (maybe even honored) to share a drink any place, any time with Torn or RawAlex as long as neither one spends a moment bashing someone that I respect.

[Dr Bizzaro]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I'll be more then happy (maybe even honored) to share a drink any place, any time with Torn or RawAlex as long as neither one spends a moment bashing someone that I respect.

Same reason I have stay completely away from this.

Until now.

[DangerDave]

Torn,

You need to realise one thing... the facts of the story may have been raised many times by Alex, but the hatred, the venom, the vilification and the ignorance... is all YOURS.

Even is this thread.. you can see by the tone of Alex's post that he was trying to be calm and stay factual and on topic(and some might say admit he was at least in part wrong).. and YOU start calling him names in the second line of your post, and then launch into your usual diatribe of vilification, just as you did on the radio show...

Not only is it a waste of time, it reflects badly on GGandJ and does nothing but support that view that you have a chip on your shoulder the size of a house.



One could say that I was, in part, a "founding member" of this board(as was Alex)...

.... but now I rarely post on the public board, I dont go to the radio show, I don't have input to the Search Engine chat, and I rarely post in the private board..


Want to know one of the reasons why.....

YOU!


DD