AFF (A possibly productive thread)

WildChyld · 2008-09-09, 04:55 PM

Hey Everyone!
Long time no see.

Believe it or not AFF just hired me (as of this Monday) to start working on their affiliate program.

Anyone who remembers me from my personal site knows that I am EXTREMELY dedicated to fair, clean programs.

What would be super helpful to me is if I could get constructive feedback and suggestions on what would help make the program work well for you.

What didn't work before?
What keeps you away?
What would you like to see changed/added?
What would bring you back/ Get you involved?

I especially would love to hear from Greenie (I miss you! Say hi to the Marylous!)

My friendfinder contact info is:
email is hpowers@ffn.com.
yahoo ffwildchyld
ICQ 437644867
Anyone who doesn't want to post here is more than welcome to email me there as well.

justbondage · 2008-09-09, 05:06 PM

Doesn't seem to be a lot of love for the AFF company on this forum.

Greenguy · 2008-09-09, 05:09 PM

HEY! I know you

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildChyld

...Anyone who remembers me from my personal site knows that I am EXTREMELY dedicated to fair, clean programs...

So why are you working for them?

Seriously - and not to bash you & if we were face to face I'd ask the same question.

Did you not know about the problems? Do any searches on webmaster boards?

The problem that sticks in my mind is Zango. I give Lars credit for not telling lies about it, but when you admit to using it & endorsing it and then, when he did pull the accounts, he told everyone that he only did it because it was no longer profitable - not ONCE acknowledging that Zango allows people to steal traffic from legit webmasters like you and me.

There's more - hell, I tried to sign up years ago & emailed support & I'm still waiting for an answer to what I thought was a simple problem.

Love ya

Useless · 2008-09-09, 05:18 PM

Let's not forget about how AFF doesn't mind profiting from the ILLEGAL tube sites.

Not only will I not promote AFF, I will not accept any gallery, free site, or blog which promotes AFF.

MrMaryLou · 2008-09-09, 05:29 PM

Hello from the Lou's WildChyld

WildChyld · 2008-09-09, 05:33 PM

I'm asking on this forum especially because I know you guys will tell me exactly what the major problems are and I trust you all

Sometimes being in the building can help make a difference, sometimes not.

If I find that I can't fix any of the problems here I won't stay here.
I think you know me better than that

Warrior - so harsh!!!! Still love ya though

Useless · 2008-09-09, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildChyld

Warrior - so harsh!!!!

If that seemed harsh, I apologize. I wasn't trying to imply any type of hostility.

Greenguy · 2008-09-09, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildChyld

...Warrior - so harsh!!!! Still love ya though

That was not even close to harsh. That was simply a truthful statement.

I don't think you can fully grasp how much hatred we have for AFF. I personally don't promote anything associated with it - cams.com, Penthouse, etc - Lars is too greedy.

Toby · 2008-09-09, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Not only will I not promote AFF, I will not accept any gallery, free site, or blog which promotes AFF.

Ditto for all of my TGPs.

WilyChyld, I understand that you're trying to make a difference. But in regards to AFF, at least for most of us here, that ship has long ago sailed.

WildChyld · 2008-09-09, 06:16 PM

I was teasing warrior

I'm still going to try to see what I can do here.
If anyone has an extra 100k burning a hole in their pocket and they'd rather me work for them instead of the enemy I'm always up for suggestions

I have to work mainstream for a while so that I can afford to start my sex ed nonprofit!

Jim · 2008-09-09, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildChyld

I was teasing warrior

I'm still going to try to see what I can do here.
If anyone has an extra K burning a hole in their pocket and they'd rather me work for them instead of the enemy I'm always up for suggestions

I have to work mainstream for a while so that I can afford to start my sex ed nonprofit!

You have to know what all the problems are. If you really believe you can change how they do business, you should probably quit right now.

I searched google really quick to get the particulars on the newest lawsuit and I couldn't find it among the ripoffreports and other lawsuits.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...awsuit&spell=1

WildChyld · 2008-09-09, 07:16 PM

Sigh!

Thus far I've found that there are some things that are true complaints and others that don't seem to be as accurate.

If I immediately dismissed every company that people talk badly about I'd never work anywhere.

Most recently I was at goodvibes.com where I really did think I would be able to make a difference and was doing some great advocacy work...that was until they got bought out and everything changed.

LeRoy · 2008-09-09, 07:53 PM

This thread needs me to be real.

Greenie can I have a hall pass to be frank?

Preacher · 2008-09-09, 08:37 PM

Epic Cash doesn't like AFF either

Quote:

“It is the equivalent of Burger King setting up shop inside a McDonald’s and selling Whoppers to anyone asking for a Big Mac,” Kaufman added. “That we are dealing with virtual, rather than brick-and-mortar storefronts, does not change the fact that these deceptive and unfair practices are unacceptable. I expect the court to agree.”

There's a lot going on at Penthouse and I know how they are trying to re-brand their web-presence, they are just doing it totally the wrong way by purchasing a network of infected surfers.

But hey, if you can spin it positive for them for $100k, all the best to you. It won't change the current attitudes of ethical webmasters though.

Pagan · 2008-09-09, 09:01 PM

Look, you had a great product in the early years that had a lot of free features for your visitors. Webmasters could send visitors there knowing the experience would be good for everyone involved. Happy surfers spend more money on both sites. When you start cheating webmasters, they start pulling ads, then the rumors start, and surfers begin to get wary.

Problem really is AFF/Zango has screwed the very population it relys on, and I don't think there really is any going back. Will I actively promote them again? Nope. Casually, on some sites, maybe, but not actively and if I do it is only because it is still decent on the free level. I do think the Silver/Gold is overpriced and isn't really sticky enough. What can you do to win me back? Strip the crap, play by the rules, and develop a track record for playing fair. Can you do it? Doubt it, though I do applaud you for trying.

WildChyld · 2008-09-10, 03:25 AM

You do know that they don't work with Zango anymore right.
That was one of the first things I asked about when they contacted me

I've only been in their building for 3 days.
Give me a little while to look around before I take sides on what's a lost cause.

Thus far I haven't seen any shenanigans with the current staff.
Trust me, if I DO see it, I'll be out of there in a heartbeat.

Simon · 2008-09-10, 07:40 AM

Hiya WildChyld

I know it's not easy finding all of the many threads where AFF has been trashed on this board since you can't search for strings of less than four characters. But here are just a couple of threads you may want to check out if you haven't found these already. There were various questions, complaints, etc raised that were never addressed by anyone from AFF.

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=44185

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=46904

.

Greenguy · 2008-09-10, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D2222

This thread needs me to be real.

Greenie can I have a hall pass to be frank?

Why would I care what you post?

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildChyld

You do know that they don't work with Zango anymore right...

We know that, but the reason they stopped working with them, which was that it was no longer cost effective, is what pisses everyone off. They'd still work with them if they were making money. They could care less that Zango STEALS signups from legit webmasters.

I'm also wondering what you think you're going to see at the office? A secret door to a room that contains a "shave" machine? People shredding file cabinet's worth of documents the day before a trial? A datacenter where people look for tube sites that have 2 hours movies and fusker domains that hotlink pics so that they can buy ads?

LeRoy · 2008-09-10, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Why would I care what you post?

Because for the longest time we all promoted AFF through Smut Gremlins. BTW this post hurts me on a personal level.

When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page.

We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe.

The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed.

Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld.

I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller"

Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not.

Internal Tracking ID:
147127448_69235/ffadult
webmaster@bestxxxfucksite.com

ponygirl · 2008-09-10, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D2222

Because for the longest time we all promoted AFF through Smut Gremlins. BTW this post hurts me on a personal level.

When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page.

We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe.

The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed.

Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld.

I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller"

Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not.

Internal Tracking ID:
147127448_69235/ffadult
webmaster@bestxxxfucksite.com

well, not everyone actually banned AFF as a sponsor, people just didn't like the way they did business. If someone wants to advertise them, that's not really my concern, I'll do what I want based on my own thoughts. If you don't want to link to someone because of that, that's fine too.

If you have a problem with it, don't link or submit to the site in question.

Tekster · 2008-09-10, 11:53 AM

I have to agree with PG on this, not that like AFF but what anybody does on their own site is their business, I have my own sites with my own rules and if you don't like it well, there is a lot out there to chose from.

Second point I don't think the owner of Smut Gremlins ever came around to say anything about AFF and then promote them, at least not that I remember.

MHO - Not that I know anything.

hashbury · 2008-09-10, 11:58 AM

For everything greenie has to say about AFF its not banned a LOR. Some people have been promoting AFF for years and making good cash. If they didnt see a drop in sales when zango hit, Why would they stop promoting them. When I first came to this board, I was promoting AFF and making very good cash for a newbie. But I did find it rather hard to get link trades and make friends here while promoting them. So I stopped promoting them.
Just my measily 2 cents

Bobc01 · 2008-09-10, 12:00 PM

I hate AFF with a passion, all the shit they're associated with like viruses, trojans and especially spam that they obviously know about but again, don't give a fuck.

As far as promoting on illegal tube sites, fling do the same and many webmasters on here promote those too.

For me it's upto an individual to promote who they like whether i like the sponsor or not, if they're making money and happy then it's upto them and nothing to do with me.

LeRoy · 2008-09-10, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponygirl

well, not everyone actually banned AFF as a sponsor, people just didn't like the way they did business. If someone wants to advertise them, that's not really my concern, I'll do what I want based on my own thoughts. If you don't want to link to someone because of that, that's fine too.

If you have a problem with it, don't link or submit to the site in question.

I didn't have a problem with it personally. I gladly submitted there regularly. and hopefully still can after this.

The problem I had was when newbies come here we bash em for mentioning AFF.

While one of the most respected members here flew the banners. It just seemed a little odd at the time.

Bringing this up now doesnt mean anything since the AFF banners are no longer on the site.

Tekster · 2008-09-10, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D2222

...
While one of the most respected members here flew the banners. It just seemed a little odd at the time.
...

But my point is that the respected member never said anything about AFF.

2008-09-09, 04:55 PM	#1
WildChyld WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berkeley California Posts: 49	AFF (A possibly productive thread) Hey Everyone! Long time no see. Believe it or not AFF just hired me (as of this Monday) to start working on their affiliate program. Anyone who remembers me from my personal site knows that I am EXTREMELY dedicated to fair, clean programs. What would be super helpful to me is if I could get constructive feedback and suggestions on what would help make the program work well for you. What didn't work before? What keeps you away? What would you like to see changed/added? What would bring you back/ Get you involved? I especially would love to hear from Greenie (I miss you! Say hi to the Marylous!) My friendfinder contact info is: email is hpowers@ffn.com. yahoo ffwildchyld ICQ 437644867 Anyone who doesn't want to post here is more than welcome to email me there as well.

2008-09-09, 05:06 PM	#2
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2008-09-09, 05:18 PM	#4
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	Let's not forget about how AFF doesn't mind profiting from the ILLEGAL tube sites. Not only will I not promote AFF, I will not accept any gallery, free site, or blog which promotes AFF. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2008-09-09, 05:29 PM	#5
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2008-09-09, 07:16 PM	#12
WildChyld WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berkeley California Posts: 49	Sigh! Thus far I've found that there are some things that are true complaints and others that don't seem to be as accurate. If I immediately dismissed every company that people talk badly about I'd never work anywhere. Most recently I was at goodvibes.com where I really did think I would be able to make a difference and was doing some great advocacy work...that was until they got bought out and everything changed. Last edited by WildChyld; 2008-09-09 at 07:19 PM.. Reason: adding ...words;)

2008-09-09, 05:33 PM	#6
WildChyld WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berkeley California Posts: 49	I'm asking on this forum especially because I know you guys will tell me exactly what the major problems are and I trust you all Sometimes being in the building can help make a difference, sometimes not. If I find that I can't fix any of the problems here I won't stay here. I think you know me better than that Warrior - so harsh!!!! Still love ya though

2008-09-09, 06:16 PM	#10
WildChyld WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berkeley California Posts: 49	I was teasing warrior I'm still going to try to see what I can do here. If anyone has an extra 100k burning a hole in their pocket and they'd rather me work for them instead of the enemy I'm always up for suggestions I have to work mainstream for a while so that I can afford to start my sex ed nonprofit!

2008-09-09, 07:53 PM	#13
LeRoy "Young dumb and full of cum" Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Porn Valley Posts: 2,370	This thread needs me to be real. Greenie can I have a hall pass to be frank? __________________ JAPANESE ADULT AFFILIATE PROGRAM

2008-09-09, 09:01 PM	#15
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 4,644	Look, you had a great product in the early years that had a lot of free features for your visitors. Webmasters could send visitors there knowing the experience would be good for everyone involved. Happy surfers spend more money on both sites. When you start cheating webmasters, they start pulling ads, then the rumors start, and surfers begin to get wary. Problem really is AFF/Zango has screwed the very population it relys on, and I don't think there really is any going back. Will I actively promote them again? Nope. Casually, on some sites, maybe, but not actively and if I do it is only because it is still decent on the free level. I do think the Silver/Gold is overpriced and isn't really sticky enough. What can you do to win me back? Strip the crap, play by the rules, and develop a track record for playing fair. Can you do it? Doubt it, though I do applaud you for trying. __________________ Submit Here!

2008-09-10, 03:25 AM	#16
WildChyld WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berkeley California Posts: 49	You do know that they don't work with Zango anymore right. That was one of the first things I asked about when they contacted me I've only been in their building for 3 days. Give me a little while to look around before I take sides on what's a lost cause. Thus far I haven't seen any shenanigans with the current staff. Trust me, if I DO see it, I'll be out of there in a heartbeat. Last edited by WildChyld; 2008-09-10 at 03:29 AM..

2008-09-10, 07:40 AM	#17
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	Hiya WildChyld I know it's not easy finding all of the many threads where AFF has been trashed on this board since you can't search for strings of less than four characters. But here are just a couple of threads you may want to check out if you haven't found these already. There were various questions, complaints, etc raised that were never addressed by anyone from AFF. http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=44185 http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=46904 . __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka

2008-09-10, 11:53 AM	#21
Tekster Formerly known as TekAngel Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 1,951	I have to agree with PG on this, not that like AFF but what anybody does on their own site is their business, I have my own sites with my own rules and if you don't like it well, there is a lot out there to chose from. Second point I don't think the owner of Smut Gremlins ever came around to say anything about AFF and then promote them, at least not that I remember. MHO - Not that I know anything. __________________ Mr. Eros Free Porn Links iPhone Porn Phone-Pics

2008-09-10, 11:58 AM	#22
hashbury My name is hashbury not assburry Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,125	For everything greenie has to say about AFF its not banned a LOR. Some people have been promoting AFF for years and making good cash. If they didnt see a drop in sales when zango hit, Why would they stop promoting them. When I first came to this board, I was promoting AFF and making very good cash for a newbie. But I did find it rather hard to get link trades and make friends here while promoting them. So I stopped promoting them. Just my measily 2 cents __________________ Sig Goes Here!

2008-09-10, 12:00 PM	#23
Bobc01 Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 817	I hate AFF with a passion, all the shit they're associated with like viruses, trojans and especially spam that they obviously know about but again, don't give a fuck. As far as promoting on illegal tube sites, fling do the same and many webmasters on here promote those too. For me it's upto an individual to promote who they like whether i like the sponsor or not, if they're making money and happy then it's upto them and nothing to do with me.