Greenguy... you put my 4women site in the wrong cat!

[Ms Naughty]

Hey ho
On Saturday I submitted this site to LinkORama
http://www.erotic-foreplay.com/wineandsex

This site is for women. Every ad on that site sells to women. The pics are softcore romantic girly couples pics.

When I filled out the form I put it in the "NakedMen" category because that's the pseudo "for women" cat.

Today I find it's in the "hardcore sex" category.

Can you please take it out of there? If it stays there it means I'll have all these blokes traipsing through, whinging about how the pics aren't hardcore and not buying because none of the ads target them. I won't get any female surfers!

Yes, yes, I KNOW my site doesn't have naked men on it, but it's FOR WOMEN, and a site "for women" doesn't always have to just be naked men. It's the ads that define it, not necessarily the content.

In the past I've submitted for women sites with couples content and it went into the naked men cat.

Perhaps I should take this opportunity to ask Greenguy really really nicely if he would consider setting up a new category called "for women" for cases such as myself, and Debbie and the others, so that this doesn't happen in the future...

[susanna]

Please?

[Greenguy]

It's listed in the correct category - sorry

[Sandra]

With all due respect, why must our 4women/couples sites be lumped in with gay sites? The 4women market is growing daily with more sponsors, more content, and more people finding that there *is* money to be made from this market.

I would ask you to reconsider this and to sometime in the near future think about adding a 4women site. Women make up over half of the surfers on the net and a heck of a lot of them are looking for porn.

Thank you for considering this.

Disclaimer - I'm speaking for myself on this - for no one else.

[Surfn]

Hi Sandra welcome to the board

Women are on the net in equal numbers but they don't buy like the men. They are tight with the purse strings in my experience.

[Cleo]

While I agree that hardcore is not a good category for a site selling to woman I don't see why you would put it in naked men either since it has couples in it.

I have a for woman section. In all the years that I have been doing this I think that I may have made enough money from it to by a small bag of grass and maybe some cheap munchies to go with it.

I basically went through the trouble of adding it just because I'm a woman, not that there is anything in there that I would want to look at. Then again I prefer shopping over sex…

I know lots of men that enjoy porn, but I don't know of one woman that enjoys it.

[susanna]

Surfn

Do you market to women? or maybe you put a banner up once on some site with male keys?

I make a few thousand a month as an affiliate and a good piece of change more as a paysite owner. Marketed to women.

I dont want to go around convincing yall there is money in it cause its just more competition for me then ;o) but your very wrong about the numbers of women buying.

Every day a new woman emails re not being able to find porn and how glad she is to have found us. Its very hard for us to compete with the gays for keys... and then the link lists like gg's well trust me a woman only needs to see one gay guy site and she wont bother looking further thru the mass of ass fucking to find us.

I dont list at gg's because of this.

What is really funny if not being sad is that there is a ton of you webmasters who think they have a clue about marketing to women or what women pay for LMAO

I think I find it most offensive when a newbie comes out with a new article about the lack of porn for women on the net and how there are no sites for them LMAO there are a few some better then others... but all they needed to do was look around a bit but instead they go off on tangents about how this is a market no one is in LOL

We are in it... you just cant find us for all the ass fucking. But we are smart cookies... we find our traffic in interesting ways... we dont need link lists that post 99.9999% porn for men.

[susanna]

Originally posted by Cleo
While I agree that hardcore is not a good category for a site selling to woman I don't see why you would put it in naked men either since it has couples in it.

I have a for woman section. In all the years that I have been doing this I think that I may have made enough money from it to by a small bag of grass and maybe some cheap munchies to go with it.

I basically went through the trouble of adding it just because I'm a woman, not that there is anything in there that I would want to look at. Then again I prefer shopping over sex…

I know lots of men that enjoy porn, but I don't know of one woman that enjoys it.

Cleo you have posted that before... I dont know all my members either but I can tell you there are alot of them. AND its getting interesting the hardcore stuff they are asking for. Femdom for women (ie. women hurting, binding etc men from the female perspective) is one such item... Trust me I make a tidy sum off all those women "who dont like porn".

[Greenguy]

Seeing as I do not have a "For Women" category, "Sex" is the best category for that particular site.

When I do add new categories again, I will be adding a "For Women" category, but that won't be anytime soon

[Ms Naughty]

Thanks for moving it Greenguy

While I agree that hardcore is not a good category for a site selling to woman I don't see why you would put it in naked men either since it has couples in it.

Cleo, this is my point. I'd rather not have it in the Naked Men category because it doesn't really suit the site, but that's the only category at Greenguy that caters to women, who are my target audience for that particular free site.

Thus, I made my request for Greenguy to create a new category called "for women" which is a little more forgiving towards 4women couples sites and which don't have offputting gay "ass fucking" pics on it.

Actually, gay ass fucking pics could very well go into the hardcore sex category too LOL, but hetero men don't like finding these kinds of pics in their porn and, strangely enough, hetero women don't much like it either

This industry has prided itself on diversifying, targeting niches and directing traffic towards where it's most profitable. Unfortunately, this blending of gay and 4women means that traffic is getting lost, surfers aren't catered for and sales are ultimately lost (and I'm not just talking about women here; it's entirely possible I might get gay men at my "Wine and Sex" site hoping for romantic gay sex, and they'll be disappointed...)

Of course, this is all just a humble suggestion - and people may do whatever the hell they want with their linklists

Again, thanks Greenguy for your assistance.

[Sandra]

Greenie, thanks for putting a 4women category on your agenda. Will be looking for it - sometime in the *hopefully* near future.

[Cleo]

Personally I find a day of anal probing to be almost a mystical experience, especially when it is performed by little grey aliens.

Susanna I was just pointing out that since for woman porn is one of the smaller niches you can't expect list owners to expend a lot of resources on it. I'm glad to hear that you are doing well with this niche, but while I do get a far amount of traffic to my for woman category, I don't seem to be able to get the surfers to buy anything. Maybe it is just that I don't know how to sell to hetro woman, I don't know.

[Greenguy]

grandmascrotum - I didn't move it - when I said it was in the correct category, I meant that "sex" was the correct category for it as far as I was concerned.

If you want me to pull the link, no hard feelings.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by susanna
Surfn

Do you market to women? or maybe you put a banner up once on some site with male keys?

I make a few thousand a month as an affiliate and a good piece of change more as a paysite owner. Marketed to women.

I dont want to go around convincing yall there is money in it cause its just more competition for me then ;o) but your very wrong about the numbers of women buying.

Every day a new woman emails re not being able to find porn and how glad she is to have found us. Its very hard for us to compete with the gays for keys... and then the link lists like gg's well trust me a woman only needs to see one gay guy site and she wont bother looking further thru the mass of ass fucking to find us.

I dont list at gg's because of this.

What is really funny if not being sad is that there is a ton of you webmasters who think they have a clue about marketing to women or what women pay for LMAO

I think I find it most offensive when a newbie comes out with a new article about the lack of porn for women on the net and how there are no sites for them LMAO there are a few some better then others... but all they needed to do was look around a bit but instead they go off on tangents about how this is a market no one is in LOL

We are in it... you just cant find us for all the ass fucking. But we are smart cookies... we find our traffic in interesting ways... we dont need link lists that post 99.9999% porn for men.

I disagree with your assumptions. If I just put banners on pic galleries I couldn't pay my $1,800 per/month hosting bill, let alone all my toys and homes. (my avatar is one of my toys)

I was referring to comparing the numbers, 5,000,000 men to 5,000,000 women or 50% men to 50% women, the women just do not buy in equal numbers with their male counterparts. I have non-adult sites that sell fine to women but they are bargain sites.

I'm not saying you are wrong or I am right. I just know what works, for me on an international basis |rasta|

[susanna]

I didnt say you couldnt market to men I said do you actually try to market to women or just stick up a banner in the wrong place and think its going to make sales.

Cleo... women do like good deals. I would imagine that any woman sitting on a pot of free gold is not going to pay anything for a piece of gold. You make no sales at your link list where you have a banner or two on the for women category because she is spending her time going thru the free porn. I am restraining myself on putting out tgp pages because what is the point. First off I am competing with myself as there are very few people doing the galleries for women and secondly we have it good... very little porn for women free on the net makes em have to pay.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by susanna
I didnt say you couldnt market to men I said do you actually try to market to women or just stick up a banner in the wrong place and think its going to make sales.

I'm sorry you think I'm that stupid. You obviously do not get my point. Nuff said.

[Surfn]

I like your new avatar GG |rasta| Is that Jim under that sheet?

[susanna]

Originally posted by Surfn
I'm sorry you think I'm that stupid. You obviously do not get my point. Nuff said.

Your point is moot. Even if only 10% of all the women on the net are buying porn there is a miniscule amount of webmasters marketing to them. Whereas if you want to talk about any other niche lets talk about 3000 plus webmasters trying to market it. When I wrote for klixxx magazine they said they mailed out to over 30,000 people, presumably not all active webmasters but a fair chunk would have been. That was 2 years ago... wonder how many newbies come on board in a year?

Do you need me to spell it out any clearer?

I asked you if you really thought you marketed to women well. If you think so why dont you show me something you have up?

[docholly]

Tart does have a "for Women" section.. and i can tell you if we get 1 submission in a month that's probably stretching it...

will take any and all For women sites you have....


TPZ for Women

as far as women actually purchasing porn, i doubt it's even 1% of total number on the net, for the same reasons there are 100's of strip clubs for men in any large city but maybe 2 times a year the chippendale's revue comes thru town and charges 40.00 a head *LOL* for a ticket. they cannot sustain a full time audience.

Men are really visual, as we all know, but women are more driven by imagination, which is why story sites do well for women, because we can read them and see in our minds eyes, us with our partner in that situation. If we illustrate those stories, then it takes away the fantasy.

Look at the billion dollar "romance" book industry. You don't see Paul, Harry and Joe buying 10 at Walmart do you?? and Quite frankly, while we are on the subject..some of those novellas are no different than PURE PORN..yet they are sold in mainstream. what is the difference??

so why do we have a section just for women? because it never hurts to explore all options.. and a market, no matter how small, can always find a way to make a few $$ to cover the bandwidth.

just my opinion.



|rasta|

[Cleo]

I live in a very gay city so there is a plethora of gay bars, but just about all of them are for men. The reason is that all the bars for woman usually fail after a very short time due to lack of business.

In fact the hetro bars here don't even do as well as the gay men bars even thou there are far more straight folks here then gays, or at least I'm told.

Men just spend more on entertainment be it porn, sports, booze, or whatever.

Woman will spend their money on their children before anything else. Woman without children, like me, we spend money on their home, clothes, and shoes before anything else. Couple this with the fact that woman usually make less money then men and the fact that woman are less visual then men there just is not that big of a market for selling then memberships to look at nekkid men.

Susanna my link list has decent sales off of the for men pages, same layout, same offerings, what am I missing here?

[Ms Naughty]

Greenguy, I'd appreciate it if you'd pull the link. As I said above, it means I'll get useless traffic from that category that won't be the slightest bit interested in visiting the sites I advertise. In the future I won't submit this kind of 4women site to LinkORama.

DocHolly, will add Tart to my submission list. I guess the prob is that there aren't a huge number of for women webmasters and we're all stretched... I don't make enough free sites at the moment, got so much to do.

And the reason there aren't that many "for women" webmasters is due to the prevailing opinions already expressed in this thread. That's fine, it means more money for me.

What I am a trifle confused about is why people will happily promote small niches like balloons, midgets, hirsuite, smoking or whatever, but can't accept that the "for women" niche is equally worth promoting.

Making broard generalisations about your market isn't the best way to make money. Saying "all women aren't visual" is the same kind of generalisation as saying "men only want to look at solo naked women." It means you are ignoring a niche specialisation which can increase your profit.

Do you know where that "women aren't visual" idea came from? Kinsey, in 1953. He asked his subjects if they were aroused by porn. Most of them said they weren't. Never mind that most of them were 1953 housewives who'd probably never even seen porn, or that the porn available at the time was all made for men. That 50 year old Kinsey research is considered to be gospel.

Ask an 18 year old chick today if she likes porn. She'll probably say yes. Or she'll say no, not really, because all the tits are fake and that Ron Jeremy guy is so bloody ugly...

Oh, look, never mind.

Carry on with what you were doing.

[Surfn]

Susanna

Start you're own link site for women and come back here in a year and tell us how you're doing.

Until then please don't try to tell us how to build or operate our sites.

[susanna]

Okay Surfin... how about these that have been in operation for a number of years


http://www.male-sluts.com
http://www.couples-sex.com/main/tgp.shtml
I wont put the 4 toplists here as I only started them a short while ago
http://bizarre-adult.com/tgp/listings.html (for women section)


http://www.couples-sex.com
http://www.4womenavs.com (thats right I am an AVS owner although it has not processing at the moment it was operational and profitable for over a year)

Many many more urls but I think you get the point. Now where are your urls... you seem to be very good at telling others how to run their business LMFAO

[susanna]

Originally posted by Cleo

Susanna my link list has decent sales off of the for men pages, same layout, same offerings, what am I missing here?

Well first off you have to look at what your using... the purvebucks program has changed. Now you have to convert from the trial to the full membership before you get paid. There is a number of us not using purvebucks anymore. Although, fem fantasy was one of the best selling sites... reason goes along with what I feel... women do not buy into sites that say they are about naked males only. They want the full package... a regular porn site but made for them... that sells to them...

Its hard for me to tell you which site to market because I focus on my own stuff first then others as secondary. I am at the moment trying out sssh.com although the tour is nice the click thrus on "what I thought was the best banner out of the 6 available" are not very high.

There is also forthegirls and I see you have their banner up. Really? I would say a very tasty text link in both those spots would sell 50% more. If you offer that top spot to Karen with the stipulation she must come up with the text to put there I would bet you your sales would sky rocket.

[Ms Naughty]

Eeep! This reminds me, I need to go and put some text links on the purpledollars site!