link trades: keep em fair, or just get em?

virgohippy · 2006-04-26, 04:15 PM

Hi all,

Just got my first link trade request for a fairly niche-e-fied freesite hub of mine, in an email. Other party has placed my link on a page 3 clicks deep from their root, on what looks like a link dump for "general adult sites." My hub has only my root warning page and a main page, and they want to exchange links. Also, the two sites don't seem all that compatible.

I'm sure different webmasters take different strategies, but is the old saying, "those with the most links pointing to their site wins" just that simple? I really get the feeling a link exchange with this site won't do me much good... but I'm just a noob, wtf do I know?

If I say no, I'll be sure not to close this door permanently, and spell out exactly why.

What do you guys look for when you exchange links with other sites?

ponygirl · 2006-04-26, 04:44 PM

I personally never respond to spammy email link trades, most of the time they don't even know who you are & you get buried on some 'link page'

If it wasn't a solicited trade & you don't know who it is, I wouldn't worry about it.

I prefer to link to those I know so I know they aren't going to pull my link 2 weeks later.

It's been said here before, be careful who you link to - think quality, not quantity

Ponygirl

virgohippy · 2006-04-26, 04:48 PM

Tis what I thought. Thanks ponygirl.

In the meantime, one more unreturned link pointing to my hub is kinda nice.

Halfdeck · 2006-04-26, 11:08 PM

There are several ways to evaluate good link trades. More backlinks will mean higher PR, but text anchor on those links and other factors will determine relevance.

If you don't want surfers to end up on the site requesting a link from you, don't link to it.

Preacher · 2006-04-26, 11:11 PM

Ponygirl is exactly right, grab the trades you can from people you can trust. The hardest thing to do is to turn down linktrades when you are new and I've run into traders that try to bully you into the losing side of the trade, no matter how tempting just forget it. The trades will come in time.

MrYum · 2006-04-26, 11:27 PM

Yup, another vote here for ignoring spammy trades emails. I get em all the time...the longer your site is online...the more of em you'll get.

I trade almost exclusively with other owners from these forums and have plenty of trades. I know my trades are solid and not going anywhere because I trust my trading partners

virgohippy · 2006-04-27, 01:06 AM

Thanks again for the feedback people. I said it once before, but I'll say it again: ya'll take good care of your newbies here.

Maybe once ya'll get more used to the slightly fruity after-taste that is virgohippy I'll start hittin ya'll up for trades.

xxxjay · 2006-04-27, 04:29 AM

It depends on the purpose of your trade. If the trades is for traffic...then placement on the page is a factor for sure. You might even want to use a hit tracking script.

If you are talking about hardlink trades....a lot of newer guys just that my PR for your PR...like 4 to a 4. Fact is, the PR of a trade is not as important as the relevancy. If the pages are irrelvant, no matter what the PR of the trade...it is not likely to help you as much. I will still trade links with a site with less PR that I have, becasue you are going to assume that the other webmaster will keep trading and eventually the PR of both sites will be equal.

tigermom · 2006-04-30, 11:17 AM

I ignore those emails as well. Get tons of them (mostly for my mainstream sites). They are usually not on-topic and on linkfarms type of page, so pretty much worthless for SEO, and don't worry about being fair. If you don't respond, they'll take your link off at some point... and if not, no harm's done

ronnie · 2006-05-02, 09:46 AM

Many of those types of requests are done with bots or automated software, most times the person never even sees your site anyways. How can that be quality link building. Course think you have your answer already anyways..

Ya the mainstream ones can be a stupid, again because they harvest link trades. Had one, they sold baby clothing and related and they were linking to adult sites, how smart is that.

Sounds like you would'nt have gotten much from the trade anyhow.

ronnie

Big Daddy · 2006-05-02, 11:09 AM

LINK TRADES
When I first got into the biz I was given some good advice: Get out there, get out there, and get out there!!! That, in short it my strategy.

I have done very well over the years, by trading with other amateur sites. A trade that will "stay up" is golden to me. I blow off all bot links and buried shit. I don't care if I'm first middle or last on a good links page, as long as the LINK page is easy to see linked off from the sites main page or pages. Even if the site I traded with is only sending a few hits back, as long as my banner is up for good it’s doing its job. Sometimes the little sites from the sticks send better quality traffic. I'm in this for the long run.

Another system that works is to trade use a few sites and get & give better link placement position to each other, and by sending and receiving more traffic to one another. I do this with web friends I made that are in my own niche. But it's always good to get traffic from different and far reaching sources. I do a little of both of these said techniques.

One more tip. I have been around a long time so have lots of trades and that means mega banners on one banner links page. I’ve had people email me back, saying, “I’m not seeing any traffic coming back!” This is usually because the banner they sent me has nothing to offer. Sure it looks fancy and professional, but no niche, no tits, ass, no nothing! Although a big plain bold white banner just saying BIG BOOBS will also sometimes work. But try to show in your banner, what you’re selling! You have to try to draw the eye of a surfer to your banner. Surfers are impulsive and will click on the first thing they see they like and are gone!

I still work on this monthly, so if you’re not already trading with robertacanyon.com or its sister sites and you want to do a HONEST, LONG LASTING, link trade. Email me at webmaster@robertacanyon.com. A banner for banner or text with title for the same. Be forewarned that you'll be in the middle of my packed page for starters. Send lots, go up, and send little go down. That is unless you offer me something that's really tempting to make me want to put your link elsewhere other than on my Hot Links page. I also have a friend’s page script you can join.

This is my theory and I’ve make a full time living doing it for 7 years now. Hope this helps you out....BD Todd

2006-04-26, 04:15 PM	#1
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	link trades: keep em fair, or just get em? Hi all, Just got my first link trade request for a fairly niche-e-fied freesite hub of mine, in an email. Other party has placed my link on a page 3 clicks deep from their root, on what looks like a link dump for "general adult sites." My hub has only my root warning page and a main page, and they want to exchange links. Also, the two sites don't seem all that compatible. I'm sure different webmasters take different strategies, but is the old saying, "those with the most links pointing to their site wins" just that simple? I really get the feeling a link exchange with this site won't do me much good... but I'm just a noob, wtf do I know? If I say no, I'll be sure not to close this door permanently, and spell out exactly why. What do you guys look for when you exchange links with other sites?

2006-04-26, 04:44 PM	#2
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	I personally never respond to spammy email link trades, most of the time they don't even know who you are & you get buried on some 'link page' If it wasn't a solicited trade & you don't know who it is, I wouldn't worry about it. I prefer to link to those I know so I know they aren't going to pull my link 2 weeks later. It's been said here before, be careful who you link to - think quality, not quantity Ponygirl __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources

2006-04-26, 11:08 PM	#4
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	There are several ways to evaluate good link trades. More backlinks will mean higher PR, but text anchor on those links and other factors will determine relevance. If you don't want surfers to end up on the site requesting a link from you, don't link to it. __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2006-04-26, 11:11 PM	#5
Preacher There's Xanax in my thurible! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wherever they screw on my head Posts: 2,441	Ponygirl is exactly right, grab the trades you can from people you can trust. The hardest thing to do is to turn down linktrades when you are new and I've run into traders that try to bully you into the losing side of the trade, no matter how tempting just forget it. The trades will come in time. __________________ NSCash * This Depraved World

2006-04-26, 11:27 PM	#6
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Yup, another vote here for ignoring spammy trades emails. I get em all the time...the longer your site is online...the more of em you'll get. I trade almost exclusively with other owners from these forums and have plenty of trades. I know my trades are solid and not going anywhere because I trust my trading partners __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2006-04-26, 04:48 PM	#3
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	Tis what I thought. Thanks ponygirl. In the meantime, one more unreturned link pointing to my hub is kinda nice.

2006-04-27, 01:06 AM	#7
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	Thanks again for the feedback people. I said it once before, but I'll say it again: ya'll take good care of your newbies here. Maybe once ya'll get more used to the slightly fruity after-taste that is virgohippy I'll start hittin ya'll up for trades.

2006-04-27, 04:29 AM	#8
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	It depends on the purpose of your trade. If the trades is for traffic...then placement on the page is a factor for sure. You might even want to use a hit tracking script. If you are talking about hardlink trades....a lot of newer guys just that my PR for your PR...like 4 to a 4. Fact is, the PR of a trade is not as important as the relevancy. If the pages are irrelvant, no matter what the PR of the trade...it is not likely to help you as much. I will still trade links with a site with less PR that I have, becasue you are going to assume that the other webmaster will keep trading and eventually the PR of both sites will be equal. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2006-04-30, 11:17 AM	#9
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	I ignore those emails as well. Get tons of them (mostly for my mainstream sites). They are usually not on-topic and on linkfarms type of page, so pretty much worthless for SEO, and don't worry about being fair. If you don't respond, they'll take your link off at some point... and if not, no harm's done __________________ XLEF

2006-05-02, 09:46 AM	#10
ronnie Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Posts: 2,274	Many of those types of requests are done with bots or automated software, most times the person never even sees your site anyways. How can that be quality link building. Course think you have your answer already anyways.. Ya the mainstream ones can be a stupid, again because they harvest link trades. Had one, they sold baby clothing and related and they were linking to adult sites, how smart is that. Sounds like you would'nt have gotten much from the trade anyhow. ronnie

2006-05-02, 11:09 AM	#11
Big Daddy Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: May 2004 Location: Tampa Posts: 5	LINK TRADES When I first got into the biz I was given some good advice: Get out there, get out there, and get out there!!! That, in short it my strategy. I have done very well over the years, by trading with other amateur sites. A trade that will "stay up" is golden to me. I blow off all bot links and buried shit. I don't care if I'm first middle or last on a good links page, as long as the LINK page is easy to see linked off from the sites main page or pages. Even if the site I traded with is only sending a few hits back, as long as my banner is up for good it’s doing its job. Sometimes the little sites from the sticks send better quality traffic. I'm in this for the long run. Another system that works is to trade use a few sites and get & give better link placement position to each other, and by sending and receiving more traffic to one another. I do this with web friends I made that are in my own niche. But it's always good to get traffic from different and far reaching sources. I do a little of both of these said techniques. One more tip. I have been around a long time so have lots of trades and that means mega banners on one banner links page. I’ve had people email me back, saying, “I’m not seeing any traffic coming back!” This is usually because the banner they sent me has nothing to offer. Sure it looks fancy and professional, but no niche, no tits, ass, no nothing! Although a big plain bold white banner just saying BIG BOOBS will also sometimes work. But try to show in your banner, what you’re selling! You have to try to draw the eye of a surfer to your banner. Surfers are impulsive and will click on the first thing they see they like and are gone! I still work on this monthly, so if you’re not already trading with robertacanyon.com or its sister sites and you want to do a HONEST, LONG LASTING, link trade. Email me at webmaster@robertacanyon.com. A banner for banner or text with title for the same. Be forewarned that you'll be in the middle of my packed page for starters. Send lots, go up, and send little go down. That is unless you offer me something that's really tempting to make me want to put your link elsewhere other than on my Hot Links page. I also have a friend’s page script you can join. This is my theory and I’ve make a full time living doing it for 7 years now. Hope this helps you out....BD Todd __________________