Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!

koolkat · 2005-06-23, 06:24 PM

Well... from seeing from the offical announcement from the Free Speech Coalition, that their "agreement" with the D.O.J. is only for members of the FSC! Well, I can officially say now that the FSC can go fuck themselves. I was considering spending the $300 to support them, but since they felt it was neccessary to look out only for their "members", rather than the free speech rights of all person, I will use my $300 for anything else! What's next... if you haven't given them $10,000 then you won't be included in the TRO/injunction if they win on Aug 8th!?!?!?

PhoneSexChick · 2005-06-23, 06:28 PM

I'm sure glad others are as pissed off about this whole FSC membership thing as I am. I had actually planned on joining up, but then got a little creeped out when rumors started that FSC members would be protected and nobody else would. I kept wondering, if this turns out to be true (which I kept doubting), how would DOJ know who's a member and who isn't? And if FSC eventually loses in court, would FSC members be more of a target?

So I decided to take a wait and see approach, and now I've seen. Total crap, IMO. And they make a point to say the membership list will be "under seal" and DOJ police won't see it. (Until when?)

So what, the feds will start showing up at places of business (in my case, my house, which is why I'm going softcore for awhile because I have too many stalking issues to put my address and real name online) and if you pull out an FSC card they'll say "Oh, pardon us, our mistake. Please accept this sticker for your window so we'll know we can't bother you until later. Pssst, anybody on your street that you know of who isn't a member?"

Right.

I'm so pissed about this there's no way I'm joining FSC now. This crap about having until Saturday night to join up? You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Call me paranoid, but there's just something really fucked up about this.

chadknowslaw · 2005-06-23, 06:32 PM

OMG! !

I am not the only FSC detractor!!!

This agreement rubs me the wrong way. In my OPINION< the agreement they have laid out would result in an unconstitutional violation of equal protection if the DOJ tries to enforce new 2257 regs against a non-member of the FSC. The government cannot selectively enforce laws!!
As a proud member [and former Board Member] of the ACLU, I cannot think of any case that the ACLU went to bat or fashioned an agreement that would only benefit its members. I cannot think of any case where Lambda Legal went to bat or tried to fashion an agreement that would only benefit its members. In fact, I cannot think of any advocacy group that has gone to court to fight ONLY for the rights of its members--they always benefit ANYONE in the plaintiff's class, whether they are a member of the group or not. However, the adult industry is not known for its cohesiveness or community spirit.

Linkster · 2005-06-23, 06:37 PM

Actually I was just thinking that the ACLU would love a piece of this one - against the FSC and DOJ as co-Defendents

koolkat · 2005-06-23, 06:38 PM

I'd rather spend the $300 for my own lawyer and know I was getting looked out for! I really wonder what is next with the FSC!

Mr. Blue · 2005-06-23, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Actually I was just thinking that the ACLU would love a piece of this one - against the FSC and DOJ as co-Defendents

The ACLU stayed out of it because the FSC got there first...perhaps they'll enter the arena now. As for joining...Don't know, I'm as compliant as I possibly can get right now...will it delay inspections, yeah, but what about future actions? A list of all members that won't be inspected handed over to the DOJ somehow? Hmm, lol, the ACLU would have never made such a deal.

Chop Smith · 2005-06-23, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

Actually I was just thinking that the ACLU would love a piece of this one - against the FSC and DOJ as co-Defendents

I am not a joiner or a crusader but I just joined the ACLU. Now to figure out how to suggest they file against FSC and DOJ for selective enforcement which violates the 14th amendment.

docholly · 2005-06-23, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chop Smith

I am not a joiner or a crusader but I just joined the ACLU. Now to figure out how to suggest they file against FSC and DOJ for selective enforcement which violates the 14th amendment.

way to go chop..

Wenchy · 2005-06-23, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadknowslaw

OMG! !

I am not the only FSC detractor!!!

This agreement rubs me the wrong way. In my OPINION< the agreement they have laid out would result in an unconstitutional violation of equal protection if the DOJ tries to enforce new 2257 regs against a non-member of the FSC. The government cannot selectively enforce laws!!
As a proud member [and former Board Member] of the ACLU, I cannot think of any case that the ACLU went to bat or fashioned an agreement that would only benefit its members. I cannot think of any case where Lambda Legal went to bat or tried to fashion an agreement that would only benefit its members. In fact, I cannot think of any advocacy group that has gone to court to fight ONLY for the rights of its members--they always benefit ANYONE in the plaintiff's class, whether they are a member of the group or not. However, the adult industry is not known for its cohesiveness or community spirit.

No way are you alone, Chad... I'm so pissed I can't see straight!! Many, many people on this board have chastised others for fear mongering, but if this isn't a screaming example of that practice at it's finest, I'd like to know what is!

IMHO, it doesn't matter that the adult industry has issues with cohesiveness and/or community spirit. We're all in this boat together and the laws, applied or not, will affect each of us equally... anything less is absolute discrimination of the worst kind.

I can't even put into words my fury at this whole FSC debacle. Here we sit in a situation where potentially hundreds of people are losing a large portion of their income, and the FSC has balls enough to expect $300 PER REMAINING WEBSITE for their holy-rolling "protection"?!? What the fuck is that about? Some of us are trying to figure out how to replace our missing income... we certainly aren't in a financial position to be coughing up large sums of cash to a somewhat questionably intentioned group of lawyers who supposedly "represent the entire adult entertainment community". Bah!

I'm going to stop here as I've already made one reputation-destroying post on this matter in another thread... gotta save what's left of my rep and my brain for later on today or maybe even tomorrow

Chop Smith · 2005-06-23, 06:37 PM

Another sad day for America - selective enforcement of laws. What happened to our valuable concept of freedom for all?

Greenguy · 2005-06-23, 06:42 PM

Scream that really loud 3 times:

Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!
Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!
Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!

I'm selling picket signs

koolkat · 2005-06-23, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Scream that really loud 3 times:

Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!
Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!
Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!

I'm selling picket signs

I'll give you $300 towards getting them made up!

Mr. Blue · 2005-06-23, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Scream that really loud 3 times:

Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!
Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!
Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!

I'm selling picket signs

Can I use the "No Justice, No Peace" picket sign? I've lived in NYC, whenever we have a protest, quasi-riot that's the war chant.

docholly · 2005-06-23, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Can I use the "No Justice, No Peace" picket sign? I've lived in NYC, whenever we have a protest, quasi-riot that's the war chant.

omg that is so true.. as the proud owner of 5 arrests, no convictions, during the apartheid pickets in the 80's.. i do believe i can still belt that one out and on key..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wenchy

I can't even put into words my fury at this whole FSC debacle. Here we sit in a situation where potentially hundreds of people are losing a large portion of their income, and the FSC has balls enough to expect $300 PER REMAINING WEBSITE for their holy-rolling "protection"?!? What the fuck is that about? Some of us are trying to figure out how to replace our missing income... we certainly aren't in a financial position to be coughing up large sums of cash to a somewhat questionably intentioned group of lawyers who supposedly "represent the entire adult entertainment community". Bah!

the word i'd use would be oh let me think..

extortion comes to mind..

and as card carrying member, as everyone who believes in our constitution should be, of the ACLU, i think its time those of us who are members should do a little politicing ourselves.

Mr. Blue · 2005-06-23, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by docholly

and as card carrying member, as everyone who believes in our constitution should be, of the ACLU, i think its time those of us who are members should do a little politicing ourselves.

I wish the ACLU handled this instead of the FSC. Instead of going after the target before them, they found a nifty way to circumnavigate the issue for a few months at what cost? They didn’t go for an injunction of the reg. as they knew that would have to be all inclusive and not just for their members.

There’s so many downsides to this type of plea bargain agreement which in essence it is..a plea bargain agreement. I’m still not sure whether I should pay the extortion or not, but I’ll say it repeatedly…I wish the ACLU handled this from the start.

xxxjay · 2005-06-27, 04:38 AM

Oh lord, you guys...you could do 2 things, the way I see it:

1. Get a lawyer and file your own injunction (much more than $300)

2. Get 100% 2257 compliant and pray they don't come knocking

It is Gonzolez vs. The Free Speach Coalition not Gonzolez vs. The Earth!

Do you think all of the people that want porn gone to be part of the injunction? Nope.

Grow up people...$300 ain't shit and if you can't afford it -- this obviously hasn't been working out for you and you should consider another job.

PhoneSexChick · 2005-06-23, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Scream that really loud 3 times:

Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!
Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!
Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!

I'm selling picket signs

Hello PhoneSexChick

Hi doll! I'm glad I'm not stoned or all these refs to PhoneSexChick would make me run screaming into the basement.

PhoneSexChick · 2005-06-23, 06:55 PM

Wait, is that another of these horrible scripts? You're really from the DOJ here just to mess with the paranoid folk.

cosmiccat · 2005-06-23, 06:46 PM

I was thinking seriously about joining the FSC. Not because I wanted to cover my ass but because I believe what they are fighting for is right. Now...no way! I will give my money to the ACLU instead. The ACLU doesn't work only for the people who give them money...they work for everyone. And they do it because it's right - not because it's profitable.

Useless · 2005-06-23, 06:47 PM

Avatar placement.

Greenguy · 2005-06-23, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Avatar placement.

If I wasn't married, I'd call T Pat & ask about getting me set up south of the border

koolkat · 2005-06-23, 10:07 PM

I am seriously looking at offshore dealings for my main site. Not that I have anything to hide, and the costs are much more, but it makes me sick to see stuff like this in our country. With the internet being worldwide, it makes me what to share some with the rest of the world!

SlickRick · 2005-06-23, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koolkat

I am seriously looking at offshore dealings for my main site. Not that I have anything to hide, and the costs are much more, but it makes me sick to see stuff like this in our country. With the internet being worldwide, it makes me what to share some with the rest of the world!

there inlies the problem koolkat.
if you reside in the US you can not be exepmt from this by moving to a hosting company thats not in the US. The only way is to move to that country. At least thats what I was told from my attorney.

koolkat · 2005-06-23, 11:01 PM

I was looking at the works... hosting, banking, billing, etc all out of the US

Chop Smith · 2005-06-23, 06:48 PM

They could be taking me to jail and tell me I would not have to go if joined the FSC and I would say "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on." Last night something told me not to send out my bull shit newsletter about this 2257 shit. I'll revise it and maybe Jim and I can share the same cell.

I am not against record keeping but equality is to apply to all Americans. At least that was what we were told in the 60's

2005-06-23, 06:24 PM	#1
koolkat Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SC Posts: 401	Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC! Well... from seeing from the offical announcement from the Free Speech Coalition, that their "agreement" with the D.O.J. is only for members of the FSC! Well, I can officially say now that the FSC can go fuck themselves. I was considering spending the $300 to support them, but since they felt it was neccessary to look out only for their "members", rather than the free speech rights of all person, I will use my $300 for anything else! What's next... if you haven't given them $10,000 then you won't be included in the TRO/injunction if they win on Aug 8th!?!?!? __________________ Harry Beaver's Lodge

2005-06-23, 06:32 PM	#3
chadknowslaw Greenguy & Jim's Unofficial Board Lawyer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 52	OMG! ! I am not the only FSC detractor!!! This agreement rubs me the wrong way. In my OPINION< the agreement they have laid out would result in an unconstitutional violation of equal protection if the DOJ tries to enforce new 2257 regs against a non-member of the FSC. The government cannot selectively enforce laws!! As a proud member [and former Board Member] of the ACLU, I cannot think of any case that the ACLU went to bat or fashioned an agreement that would only benefit its members. I cannot think of any case where Lambda Legal went to bat or tried to fashion an agreement that would only benefit its members. In fact, I cannot think of any advocacy group that has gone to court to fight ONLY for the rights of its members--they always benefit ANYONE in the plaintiff's class, whether they are a member of the group or not. However, the adult industry is not known for its cohesiveness or community spirit. __________________ Chad Belville, Esq. http://www.chadknowslaw.com

2005-06-23, 06:37 PM	#4
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Actually I was just thinking that the ACLU would love a piece of this one - against the FSC and DOJ as co-Defendents __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-06-23, 06:38 PM	#5
koolkat Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SC Posts: 401	I'd rather spend the $300 for my own lawyer and know I was getting looked out for! I really wonder what is next with the FSC! __________________ Harry Beaver's Lodge

2005-06-23, 06:37 PM	#10
Chop Smith Eighteen 'til I Die Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,168	Another sad day for America - selective enforcement of laws. What happened to our valuable concept of freedom for all? __________________

2005-06-23, 06:28 PM	#2
PhoneSexChick Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13	I'm sure glad others are as pissed off about this whole FSC membership thing as I am. I had actually planned on joining up, but then got a little creeped out when rumors started that FSC members would be protected and nobody else would. I kept wondering, if this turns out to be true (which I kept doubting), how would DOJ know who's a member and who isn't? And if FSC eventually loses in court, would FSC members be more of a target? So I decided to take a wait and see approach, and now I've seen. Total crap, IMO. And they make a point to say the membership list will be "under seal" and DOJ police won't see it. (Until when?) So what, the feds will start showing up at places of business (in my case, my house, which is why I'm going softcore for awhile because I have too many stalking issues to put my address and real name online) and if you pull out an FSC card they'll say "Oh, pardon us, our mistake. Please accept this sticker for your window so we'll know we can't bother you until later. Pssst, anybody on your street that you know of who isn't a member?" Right. I'm so pissed about this there's no way I'm joining FSC now. This crap about having until Saturday night to join up? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Call me paranoid, but there's just something really fucked up about this.

2005-06-23, 06:42 PM	#11
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,786	Scream that really loud 3 times: Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC! Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC! Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC! I'm selling picket signs __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-06-27, 04:38 AM	#16
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	Oh lord, you guys...you could do 2 things, the way I see it: 1. Get a lawyer and file your own injunction (much more than $300) 2. Get 100% 2257 compliant and pray they don't come knocking *It is Gonzolez vs. The Free Speach Coalition* not Gonzolez vs. The Earth!** Do you think all of the people that want porn gone to be part of the injunction? Nope. Grow up people...$300 ain't shit and if you can't afford it -- this obviously hasn't been working out for you and you should consider another job. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2005-06-23, 06:55 PM	#18
PhoneSexChick Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13	Wait, is that another of these horrible scripts? You're really from the DOJ here just to mess with the paranoid folk.

2005-06-23, 06:46 PM	#19
cosmiccat You can't keep blaming yourself. Just blame yourself once, and move on Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 351	I was thinking seriously about joining the FSC. Not because I wanted to cover my ass but because I believe what they are fighting for is right. Now...no way! I will give my money to the ACLU instead. The ACLU doesn't work only for the people who give them money...they work for everyone. And they do it because it's right - not because it's profitable. __________________ Submit your galleries to Margo's Whorehouse

2005-06-23, 06:47 PM	#20
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2005-06-23, 10:07 PM	#22
koolkat Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SC Posts: 401	I am seriously looking at offshore dealings for my main site. Not that I have anything to hide, and the costs are much more, but it makes me sick to see stuff like this in our country. With the internet being worldwide, it makes me what to share some with the rest of the world! __________________ Harry Beaver's Lodge

2005-06-23, 11:01 PM	#24
koolkat Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SC Posts: 401	I was looking at the works... hosting, banking, billing, etc all out of the US __________________ Harry Beaver's Lodge

2005-06-23, 06:48 PM	#25
Chop Smith Eighteen 'til I Die Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,168	They could be taking me to jail and tell me I would not have to go if joined the FSC and I would say "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on." Last night something told me not to send out my bull shit newsletter about this 2257 shit. I'll revise it and maybe Jim and I can share the same cell. I am not against record keeping but equality is to apply to all Americans. At least that was what we were told in the 60's __________________