AFF (A possibly productive thread)

[WildChyld]

Hey Everyone!
Long time no see.


Believe it or not AFF just hired me (as of this Monday) to start working on their affiliate program.

Anyone who remembers me from my personal site knows that I am EXTREMELY dedicated to fair, clean programs.

What would be super helpful to me is if I could get constructive feedback and suggestions on what would help make the program work well for you.

What didn't work before?
What keeps you away?
What would you like to see changed/added?
What would bring you back/ Get you involved?

I especially would love to hear from Greenie (I miss you! Say hi to the Marylous!)

My friendfinder contact info is:
email is hpowers@ffn.com.
yahoo ffwildchyld
ICQ 437644867
Anyone who doesn't want to post here is more than welcome to email me there as well.

[justbondage]

Doesn't seem to be a lot of love for the AFF company on this forum.

[Greenguy]

HEY! I know you

Originally Posted by WildChyld

...Anyone who remembers me from my personal site knows that I am EXTREMELY dedicated to fair, clean programs...

So why are you working for them?

Seriously - and not to bash you & if we were face to face I'd ask the same question.

Did you not know about the problems? Do any searches on webmaster boards?

The problem that sticks in my mind is Zango. I give Lars credit for not telling lies about it, but when you admit to using it & endorsing it and then, when he did pull the accounts, he told everyone that he only did it because it was no longer profitable - not ONCE acknowledging that Zango allows people to steal traffic from legit webmasters like you and me.

There's more - hell, I tried to sign up years ago & emailed support & I'm still waiting for an answer to what I thought was a simple problem.

Love ya

[Useless]

Let's not forget about how AFF doesn't mind profiting from the ILLEGAL tube sites.

Not only will I not promote AFF, I will not accept any gallery, free site, or blog which promotes AFF.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Not only will I not promote AFF, I will not accept any gallery, free site, or blog which promotes AFF.

Ditto for all of my TGPs.

WilyChyld, I understand that you're trying to make a difference. But in regards to AFF, at least for most of us here, that ship has long ago sailed.

[LeRoy]

This thread needs me to be real.

Greenie can I have a hall pass to be frank?

[Preacher]

Epic Cash doesn't like AFF either

“It is the equivalent of Burger King setting up shop inside a McDonald’s and selling Whoppers to anyone asking for a Big Mac,” Kaufman added. “That we are dealing with virtual, rather than brick-and-mortar storefronts, does not change the fact that these deceptive and unfair practices are unacceptable. I expect the court to agree.”

There's a lot going on at Penthouse and I know how they are trying to re-brand their web-presence, they are just doing it totally the wrong way by purchasing a network of infected surfers.

But hey, if you can spin it positive for them for $100k, all the best to you. It won't change the current attitudes of ethical webmasters though.

[MrMaryLou]

Hello from the Lou's WildChyld

[WildChyld]

I'm asking on this forum especially because I know you guys will tell me exactly what the major problems are and I trust you all

Sometimes being in the building can help make a difference, sometimes not.

If I find that I can't fix any of the problems here I won't stay here.
I think you know me better than that

Warrior - so harsh!!!! Still love ya though

[Useless]

Originally Posted by WildChyld

Warrior - so harsh!!!!

If that seemed harsh, I apologize. I wasn't trying to imply any type of hostility.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by WildChyld

...Warrior - so harsh!!!! Still love ya though

That was not even close to harsh. That was simply a truthful statement.

I don't think you can fully grasp how much hatred we have for AFF. I personally don't promote anything associated with it - cams.com, Penthouse, etc - Lars is too greedy.

[WildChyld]

I was teasing warrior

I'm still going to try to see what I can do here.
If anyone has an extra 100k burning a hole in their pocket and they'd rather me work for them instead of the enemy I'm always up for suggestions

I have to work mainstream for a while so that I can afford to start my sex ed nonprofit!

[Jim]

Originally Posted by WildChyld

I was teasing warrior

I'm still going to try to see what I can do here.
If anyone has an extra K burning a hole in their pocket and they'd rather me work for them instead of the enemy I'm always up for suggestions

I have to work mainstream for a while so that I can afford to start my sex ed nonprofit!

You have to know what all the problems are. If you really believe you can change how they do business, you should probably quit right now.

I searched google really quick to get the particulars on the newest lawsuit and I couldn't find it among the ripoffreports and other lawsuits.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...awsuit&spell=1

[WildChyld]

Sigh!

Thus far I've found that there are some things that are true complaints and others that don't seem to be as accurate.

If I immediately dismissed every company that people talk badly about I'd never work anywhere.

Most recently I was at goodvibes.com where I really did think I would be able to make a difference and was doing some great advocacy work...that was until they got bought out and everything changed.

[Pagan]

Look, you had a great product in the early years that had a lot of free features for your visitors. Webmasters could send visitors there knowing the experience would be good for everyone involved. Happy surfers spend more money on both sites. When you start cheating webmasters, they start pulling ads, then the rumors start, and surfers begin to get wary.

Problem really is AFF/Zango has screwed the very population it relys on, and I don't think there really is any going back. Will I actively promote them again? Nope. Casually, on some sites, maybe, but not actively and if I do it is only because it is still decent on the free level. I do think the Silver/Gold is overpriced and isn't really sticky enough. What can you do to win me back? Strip the crap, play by the rules, and develop a track record for playing fair. Can you do it? Doubt it, though I do applaud you for trying.

[WildChyld]

You do know that they don't work with Zango anymore right.
That was one of the first things I asked about when they contacted me

I've only been in their building for 3 days.
Give me a little while to look around before I take sides on what's a lost cause.

Thus far I haven't seen any shenanigans with the current staff.
Trust me, if I DO see it, I'll be out of there in a heartbeat.

[Simon]

Hiya WildChyld

I know it's not easy finding all of the many threads where AFF has been trashed on this board since you can't search for strings of less than four characters. But here are just a couple of threads you may want to check out if you haven't found these already. There were various questions, complaints, etc raised that were never addressed by anyone from AFF.

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=44185

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=46904



.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by D2222

This thread needs me to be real.

Greenie can I have a hall pass to be frank?

Why would I care what you post?

Originally Posted by WildChyld

You do know that they don't work with Zango anymore right...

We know that, but the reason they stopped working with them, which was that it was no longer cost effective, is what pisses everyone off. They'd still work with them if they were making money. They could care less that Zango STEALS signups from legit webmasters.

I'm also wondering what you think you're going to see at the office? A secret door to a room that contains a "shave" machine? People shredding file cabinet's worth of documents the day before a trial? A datacenter where people look for tube sites that have 2 hours movies and fusker domains that hotlink pics so that they can buy ads?

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Why would I care what you post?

Because for the longest time we all promoted AFF through Smut Gremlins. BTW this post hurts me on a personal level.

When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page.

We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe.

The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed.

Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld.

I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller"

Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not.

Internal Tracking ID:
147127448_69235/ffadult
webmaster@bestxxxfucksite.com

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by D2222

Because for the longest time we all promoted AFF through Smut Gremlins. BTW this post hurts me on a personal level.

When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page.

We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe.

The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed.

Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld.

I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller"

Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not.

Internal Tracking ID:
147127448_69235/ffadult
webmaster@bestxxxfucksite.com

well, not everyone actually banned AFF as a sponsor, people just didn't like the way they did business. If someone wants to advertise them, that's not really my concern, I'll do what I want based on my own thoughts. If you don't want to link to someone because of that, that's fine too.

If you have a problem with it, don't link or submit to the site in question.

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

well, not everyone actually banned AFF as a sponsor, people just didn't like the way they did business. If someone wants to advertise them, that's not really my concern, I'll do what I want based on my own thoughts. If you don't want to link to someone because of that, that's fine too.

If you have a problem with it, don't link or submit to the site in question.

I didn't have a problem with it personally. I gladly submitted there regularly. and hopefully still can after this.

The problem I had was when newbies come here we bash em for mentioning AFF.

While one of the most respected members here flew the banners. It just seemed a little odd at the time.

Bringing this up now doesnt mean anything since the AFF banners are no longer on the site.

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by D2222

Because for the longest time we all promoted AFF through Smut Gremlins. BTW this post hurts me on a personal level.

When did you EVER promote AFF through Smutgremlins? You have never been given any right to promote anything on my domain. If you choose to promote AFF on one of your FS, it is something your doing of your own choice and on your domain, NOT mine!
I am not a/your sponsor - Your recip table isnt "promoting" LL's - Its a token of appreciation from the submitter to the LL for the traffic.

Originally Posted by D2222

When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page.

Again, what has Smutgremlins got to do with your gripe at AFF and what gives you the right to select Smutgremlins as a domain to grind your axe about? If you don't want to link to Smutgremlins on your FS don't add my recip and don't submit to me. You talk about contradictions yet you are contradicting yourself with your last statement and if LOR and I trade links, again, what business is that of yours!

Originally Posted by D2222

We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe.

I'd like to know what you discussed with UW, Tek and TPat regarding Smutgremlins? Anyone care to reply? More to the point. If you have something you want to discuss about Smutgremlins, TALK TO ME!

Originally Posted by D2222

The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed.

Were they? Are you spying on me? Do you watch for every change that is made on Smutgremlins? WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS WHAT I DO ON MY DOMAINS?

Originally Posted by D2222

Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld.

I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller"

If you signed up as a surfer, what did you hope to prove?
If you signed up under Smutgremlins as an affiliate, again what did you hope to prove.

I don't give a damn if you signed up under a banner on my domain or not. Either way you have no right to discuss what I do or do not do on my domain!
The fact that their are links to AFF on Smutgremlins is my business and they are there for a reason I am not going to discuss.

Gripe all you want to about AFF if you wish, That's your choice but DO NOT mention myself or my domain in your rants. I do not want to be involved in this discussion in this manner and if I wish to make a comment in this thread I will when it suits me! I have never posted in any threads regarding AFF and that's my personal choice and my business.

Originally Posted by D2222

Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not.

Personally I don't give a shit if I did or not, I'd quite happily see the account denied after your comments above... Just for shits and giggles.

[Emerald]

and on another note ... Sorry to wildchyld for highjacking this thread .... what I do or dont do on MY Link List in not the subject of this thread...

Please go back to discussing why or why not you like aff

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Emerald

I'd like to know what you discussed with UW, Tek and TPat regarding Smutgremlins? Anyone care to reply? More to the point. If you have something you want to discuss about Smutgremlins, TALK TO ME!

Knowing that I'm not a fan of AFF, he hit me up and asked my opinion about an AFF ad on your site, presumably wondering if it was ok to promote them. Nothing nefarious, Emmy. D2222 doesn't mean any harm. He's just not a grand communicator.

Session Start (3441653482222): Mon Aug 18 15:35:56 2008
[15:36] Useless Warrior: Ah, that's who you are. I was seeing only your ICQ number and had no idea who you were.
[15:36] D2222:
[15:36] D2222: hi
[15:37] Useless Warrior: Howdy
[15:37] D2222: really quick can i chit cat for sec?
[15:37] D2222: chat*
[15:37] Useless Warrior: certainly
[15:37] D2222: (Link: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...604#post415604
[15:38] Useless Warrior: Yes?
[15:38] D2222: (Link: http://www.smutgremlins.com/)http://...tgremlins.com/
[15:38] Useless Warrior: LOL
[15:39] Useless Warrior: It's really one of those "to each their own" situations.
[15:39] D2222: yah i know
[15:39] Useless Warrior: I think everyone promoting AFF realized that they're getting fairly heavily skimmed and scandaled, but if you keep making money, it's all worth it in the end.
[15:40] Useless Warrior: I won't touch them anymore, but I hold grudges against sponsors.
[15:40] D2222: yah if you have great traffic then the skim is ok
[15:40] Useless Warrior: AFF was the biggest one holding hands with Zango
[15:40] Useless Warrior: exaclty. XXX Jay claims to make good money still with AFF.
[15:41] D2222: wow
[15:41] D2222: it all over jays member pages
[15:41] D2222: he gave me a pass over the weekend
[15:42] Useless Warrior: I'm one of those funny people who won't play games with sponsors who I know are screwing me.
[15:42] Useless Warrior: I prefer the ones who are better at covering it up.
[15:42] D2222: yah im with you on that one
[15:42] D2222: hehehe
[15:44] D2222: are you still accepting submitters for Whoring Wives?
[15:44] D2222: i signed under you @ *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* btw
[15:45] Useless Warrior: Not right now. It wouldn't be fair to my current submitters since my backlog increases every day.
[15:45] Useless Warrior: Hey! *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* is my best kept secret.
[15:45] Useless Warrior: Toby and I were discussing *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* this past weekend.
[15:45] D2222: i was surfing your site
[15:46] Useless Warrior: pervert
[15:46] D2222: thats how I found them
[15:46] Useless Warrior: Even though *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* content is obviously professional, it converts very well on amateur/wife/interracial traffic.
[15:47] Useless Warrior: I think *PAYSITE OMITTED* is the site that converts best for me with *PAYSITE OMITTED* coming second best.
[15:47] D2222: nice
[15:47] D2222: im not too good at the interracial niche
[15:49] Useless Warrior: I'm not very good at any niche in particular. Never have been.
[15:50] D2222:
[15:51] D2222: i gotta go and check the kid. i'll talk to you soon .
[15:51] Useless Warrior: Later
[15:52] D2222: thanks for lending the ear. I needed that
[15:52] Useless Warrior: We all need it now and then
[15:53] D2222: have a good one
[15:53] Useless Warrior: You too
Session Close (D2222): Mon Aug 18 15:53:36 2008

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by Emerald

When did you EVER promote AFF through Smutgremlins? You have never been given any right to promote anything on my domain. If you choose to promote AFF on one of your FS, it is something your doing of your own choice and on your domain, NOT mine!
I am not a/your sponsor - Your recip table isnt "promoting" LL's - Its a token of appreciation from the submitter to the LL for the traffic.



Again, what has Smutgremlins got to do with your gripe at AFF and what gives you the right to select Smutgremlins as a domain to grind your axe about? If you don't want to link to Smutgremlins on your FS don't add my recip and don't submit to me. Your talk about contradictions yet you are contradicting yourself with your last statement and if LOR and I trade links, again, what business is that of yours!



I'd like to know what you discussed with UW, Tek and TPat regarding Smutgremlins? Anyone care to reply? More to the point. If you have something you want to discuss about Smutgremlins, TALK TO ME!



Were they? Are you spying on me? Do you watch for every change that is made on Smutgremlins? WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS WHAT I DO ON MY DOMAINS?



If you signed up as a surfer, what did you hope to prove?
If you signed up under Smutgremlins as an affiliate, again what did you hope to prove.

I don't give a damn if you signed up under a banner on my domain or not. Either way you have no right to discuss what I do or do not do on my domain!
The fact that their are links to AFF on Smutgremlins is my business and they are there for a reason I am not going to discuss.

Gripe all you want to about AFF if you wish, That's your choice but DO NOT mention myself or my domain in your rants. I do not want to be involved in this discussion in this manner and if I wish to make a comment in this thread I will when it suits me! I have never posted in any threads regarding AFF and that's my personal choice and my business.


Personally I don't give a shit if I did or not, I'd quite happily see the account denied after your comments above... Just for shits and giggles.

You are absolutely correct Emerald. I apologize dearly for bringing this up. and yes it is your business and you do have the right to promote who you want. I will never dispute that.

I mentioned you and your domain because you are a trusted member here. While this board has repeatedly said that AFF is not trustworthy. I have always looked up to you and your site. I am not trying to bash you or throw you under the bus.

The reason I signed up at your site is because I want a 3rd chick to come around my home to please us.





I hope this will get to AFF and things will change and we all can make some good money.