Greenguy Stats Updated - 2nd Monthly Run Is Now Online

[Greenguy]

I'm posting these a day early because I think I'm gonna take most of the weekend off

This run covers CCBill programs that have No Trial memberships/joins.

In the past, I've tried to explain to people that to run revshare stats properly would be a pain in the ass. Well, my thoughts have not changed much & once you go & look at all the info that I posted so that this all makes sense, you'll see what I mean.

Like I've said many times in the past about revshare programs, it's not just your ratio of sales to clicks. You have to take into account how many of those sales rebill & how much money your making per sale. Take DP Bucks as an example (and sorry for throwing them under the bus) I'm converting at 1:206 - pretty good right? Well, if none of those sign ups rebill, it sucks & you send up with $12 a sale.

At the other end of the spectrum is a program like X Fusion Cash. Converting at 1:860 isn't anything to brag about. But when 27% of the member rebill at least once, you're up to a very respectable $34 per member & I can live with that

There's a lot of numbers over here & it is a bit overwhelming at 1st glance (and it's sorted by money/click because that seemed the best one to use) so take a couple of minutes & read it all over & hopefully I've made it as easy as possible to read & understand.

http://www.greenguysboard.com/greeng.../06-april.html

OH! Almost forgot about a problem that I found while I was gathering the data. 2 programs were not paying on rebills

Coalixxxion Cash (aka Samba Cash) does clearly stats on their site "50% Per Signup" & it says nothing about paying on rebills. I've emailed them & asked why they do not pay on rebills & they have no replied Shame on me for not reading the site properly & assuming that they paid on rebills like every other revshare program.

Depraved Dollars had my account messed up & I was not getting paid on the rebills with them either But once I contacted them, they looked into it & took care of the problem so that it won't happen again (and a check is on it's way to me for the missing rebills) Seems that I signed up during beta & the program was set up to not pay on rebills by mistake. When they made the correction in their admin, they did not know that it would not automatically change the current affiliates. So if you signed up to their program before February 2005, double check that you're getting rebills. Again, the problem was solved quickly & I am still using them

[Chop Smith]

Gosh GG, you have lots of time invested in this. Thanks for doing it. I think this analysis could be as valuable to sponsors ad to affiliates.

[emmanuelle]

Thanks for doing this!
I am very happy with our retention numbers, and the opportunity to see where we stand with some others.

[Toby]

Nice work! This is going to be very useful, gonna take some time to digest it all.

On the handful of sites that I also promote I noticed a bit of a trend. You had a better initial rebill %, but I had a higher $ per signup. Not sure what that means yet.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Toby

...On the handful of sites that I also promote I noticed a bit of a trend. You had a better initial rebill %, but I had a higher $ per signup. Not sure what that means yet.

That's one of the problems that I've yet to figure out how to get publish - one member that recurrs for 4 months is the same as 4 members that recur for 1 month. So I could've had 4 out of 10 members rebill (40%) for one month & then cancel. You could have had 1 out of 10 rebill (10%) and if they stayed for 4 months, our per sign up amount would be exactly the same.

[Toby]

In looking at those programs in more detail I see another issue that's difficult to include in the stats. Some of them have recurring billing on their 3 month and 6 month subscriptions. A few of those that rebill a couple of times will really skew the $ per signup when compared to programs whose longer subscriptions don't recur.

[Cleo]

Isn't the most important thing how was is made say after 12 months or some time frame like that?

[Toby]

How much was made is of course the bottom line, but without posting the actual $$$ earned comparisons need to be viewed with consideration for the various signup and rebill options for each program and how the differences may effect the numbers listed.

As an example, for my top $$$ sponsor for the last 12 months, only 29% of revenue came from recurring signups and rebills. The remaining 71% came from non-recurring signups.

[MrYum]

Wow...that is a whole buttload of work! Thanks for the effort Greenie...very useful info

[terry]

Great info. Thanks for all your hard work GG.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Toby

In looking at those programs in more detail I see another issue that's difficult to include in the stats. Some of them have recurring billing on their 3 month and 6 month subscriptions. A few of those that rebill a couple of times will really skew the $ per signup when compared to programs whose longer subscriptions don't recur.

I agree 100% - there's a lot of factors that skew the numbers

Originally Posted by Toby

How much was made is of course the bottom line, but without posting the actual $$$ earned comparisons need to be viewed with consideration for the various signup and rebill options for each program and how the differences may effect the numbers listed.

As an example, for my top $$$ sponsor for the last 12 months, only 29% of revenue came from recurring signups and rebills. The remaining 71% came from non-recurring signups.

I might have a solution for this one - next run, I will put in:
Percent Of Money Made From One Time Signups
Percent of Money Made From Trial/Recurring Signups

I'm also looking into including these for the next run:
Percent Currently Active
Longest Rebill In Months
Percent Chargebacks/Refunds

All those might help things out a bit

BUT!

Give me credit for one thing...PLEASE! This is a lot better then looking at a list like like this:
Program 1 - 1:459
Program 2 - 1:574
Program 3 - 1:1024

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by terry

Great info. Thanks for all your hard work GG.

You're welcome

But this one was not as hard as I thought it was gonna be. 60 programs all with the same admin made it go pretty quickly.

The next run - probably Revshare/NoTrial/1st Page - is gonna be a hoot to compile

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

BUT!

Give me credit for one thing...PLEASE! This is a lot better then looking at a list like like this:
Program 1 - 1:459
Program 2 - 1:574
Program 3 - 1:1024

Oh, you get credit for far more than just that one thing. They are indeed much better than comparing conversion ratios and $ per click. Compiling those numbers was a ton of work and is greatly appreciated.

Looking at your stats vs my stats just made me realize how much minor differences in payment options can effect the numbers. I'm a bit of a stats junkie, gotta do something with all that math and statistics I took in college.

[Greenguy]

Toby - I thought of something else that throws yet another monkey wrench into the stats - the cost of the membership.

Let's say a site charges $20/month - anything over $20/member on average is pretty good, but that'd look bad compared to a site that charges $40/month, even if you were averaging $30-35/member on that $40 site.

Too much fucking information - LOL

[mOrrI]

WOW...
Thanks Green

[Greenguy]

You know, I did completely forget to set Board Tracker off & list the programs that are in this run

Bi Bucks
Jimmy Diamond
Woot Woot Cash
Dream Cash
123 Cash
Voyeur Cash
Purple Dollars
DP Bucks
Rio Cash
Mature Means Money
T F Cash
Busty Bucks
FTV Cash
X Fusion Cash
Hunk Money
Hometown Cash 6
Fetish Video Cash
Fetish Affiliates
Old Dollars
Nubiles
Ghost Cash
Swinger Money
Extreme Bank
Amateur Facials
Foxy Angel
Compu Dollars
Unreal Bank
How I Got Rich
DDF Cash
Party Dollars
Cash Fetish 6
Explosive Cash
Perfecto Dollars
Apple Cash
Sexy Payouts
Boob Bucks
Cash Box Office
Harlot Cash
Panty Cash
Coalixxxion Cash 4
More Fucking Money
Web Whore Bucks
Spunky Dollars
Jovi Cash
Oliver's Money
Depraved Dollars
Bad Girl Bucks
Bling Pimps
Roni's Hyper Cash
Spunky Cash
Kick Ass Cash
Piggy Dollars
Naughty Niche
Chop's Cash
Teen Mega Cash
Upper Class Video
Euro Models Cash
Adevils Amateur Cash
Amateur Webmaster
Avenue Blue
Solar Cash
Yetis Cash
Digital Angel Dollars
Get Naughty Cash

[RawAlex]

Greenguy, your results provide the type of information I always look for: How much is a signup really going to be worth.

Send 100 signups @ net $15 per signup. 33% of them recur the next month @$15... and if 50% of them stay the next month, and so on..... it really helps to create a good comparision to pay per signup situations.

Here is the deal: At the end of 7 months they are all gone, and you made just under $25 per signup average.

It is very important, as a result, for recurring programs to retain members for a longer period of time, otherwise they are not paying you as much for the signup as programs paying $30 or $35 per signup.

The information in your stats goes a long way towards giving guidance on what programs might have a chance of pulling that off.

Alex

[Ms Naughty]

Thanks for posting your stats Greenguy. There's a lot of revealing information there. I'm feeling pleased about where we are in the general scheme of things

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

Thanks for posting your stats Greenguy. There's a lot of revealing information there. I'm feeling pleased about where we are in the general scheme of things

As you should be! Congratulations!

[tigermom]

Thank you for that info. You helped me select my next CCBill sponsor now going over to sign under you man! Thanks!

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

...Coalixxxion Cash (aka Samba Cash) does clearly stats on their site "50% Per Signup" & it says nothing about paying on rebills. I've emailed them & asked why they do not pay on rebills & they have no replied Shame on me for not reading the site properly & assuming that they paid on rebills like every other revshare program...

They did finally reply yesterday (1 week after the 1st request)

Hi guys, well we can give to you a special partnership, paying Rebills to you! Is it fine to you?

Thanks
Marco,

My reply:
You know, most revshare programs pay 50% for the life of the member & not just on the initial sign up.

I don't want to be treated special, so I'll just pull all the links.

Let me know if you ever change the program for everyone that promotes it.

Greenguy

So there ya go - unless you're special, you only get 50% off the initial sign up

[Greenguy]

They replied back:
Sorry friend, we are new in the industry, so we are trying and trying it... But you did say to me an important thing, "most revshare programs pay 50% for the life of the member & not just on the initial sign up." I am changing it right now for all my affialites on my program. thanks...

New? My account is 23 months old!

Oh well, I guess some good has come from this

[dirtyjumbo]

LOL, fuck Samba Cash

That's a nice list of stats you got there, very usefull

I don't see latinatranny.com (no ref code ) on there though, I've only been promoting them for 5 or 6 months and make an average of $67/member

[Bare]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

They replied back:
Sorry friend, we are new in the industry, so we are trying and trying it... But you did say to me an important thing, "most revshare programs pay 50% for the life of the member & not just on the initial sign up." I am changing it right now for all my affialites on my program. thanks...

New? My account is 23 months old!

Oh well, I guess some good has come from this

He must be having a hard time changing it... because I'm still showing 50% of sale, no recurring. I never realized I wasn't getting recurring. I only made 4 sales with them so taking the links down won't hurt much.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Bare

He must be having a hard time changing it... because I'm still showing 50% of sale, no recurring. I never realized I wasn't getting recurring. I only made 4 sales with them so taking the links down won't hurt much.

It could be the problem that Depraved Dollars had with my account (see 1st post) where they changed it in their admin, but it doesn't automatiucally change existing accounts.

I just checked mine & I'm still "Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills"