Percentage Bookmarkers and Page Views/Visit

neveremail · 2006-03-29, 05:21 PM

I've been building up some of my hubs and listing a alot of my freesites on the front page. Its mostly freesite traffic filtering through to my hub index.

Using AWstats generally I have seen 2-3 pages being viewed by a surfer per visit and 10-20% of surfers bookmarking the site.

Now I am seeing over 7 page views per surfer per visit and over 30% bookmarkers. Is it possible I am giving way too much away on my index linking to the freesites or should I be happy that I am attracting bookmarkers and that they like to look around my site?

The freesites are reasonably easy to find so should I be making it harder for a surfer to get to them, for example putting them on a second page, or hiding them out of the way somewhere on the front page.

alessandro · 2006-03-30, 04:53 AM

nevermail, I believe that if surfers stay more on your site once they reach it then it's great.
From SEs point of view ( and it seems just logical to me ) if surfers stay more on a site than it's quality, it has something of value that surfers are interested in, unlike spammy non-quality sites which in most cases get closed in the first 10 seconds or so ( and they can get this data, mostly Google through the toolbar ).

The increased number of bookmarkes is great, don't worry about that, at least I never do when I see more bookmarkers

Don't "hide" the freesites, just make sure that BEFORE the freesites you have some tasty banners/text links to make the surfer click them and give you a chance to make some money

Greenguy · 2006-03-30, 07:06 AM

Bookmarkers are great for hubs, link lists, tgp, etc. They bookmark you because they like your listings, so they'll come back & look to see what's new the next day/week/whatever.

They also build up a level of trust with you & your site, which means they might be comfortable enough to bust out that CC

neveremail · 2006-03-30, 07:28 AM

For those of you that use AWstats what sort of percentage bookmarkers do people see on their Link Lists hubs etc??

Greenguy · 2006-03-30, 07:39 AM

My newest project - Porn Movie Links - is at 47.8% Direct address / Bookmarks for March, which I think is way too high since the site is averaging 5300 uniques a day (I can't see 2600 people visiting via bookmark or typing the URL into their browsers)

HC-Majick · 2006-03-30, 08:18 AM

Direct address / Bookmarks for March:
unclethumper.com - 30.6%
naughtyplace.com - 43.2%

the numbers for Jan and Feb were the same within a couple percentage points

Add to favorites:
unclethumper.com - 12%
naughtyplace.com - 22.8%

neveremail · 2006-03-30, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

My newest project - Porn Movie Links - is at 47.8% Direct address / Bookmarks for March, which I think is way too high since the site is averaging 5300 uniques a day (I can't see 2600 people visiting via bookmark or typing the URL into their browsers)

What about "Add to favorites (estimated)" near the bottom under miscelaneous? - thats the one I was referring too.

Greenguy · 2006-03-30, 08:51 AM

Add to favorites (estimated) 28801 / 116999 Visitors 24.6 %

KG Gary · 2006-03-30, 09:10 AM

Add to favorites (estimated) 30628 / 86330 Visitors - 35.4 %
For my main hub - http:/www.pynio.com/

Although I figured that this seemed like an over-estimate, that's what AWStats has for March.

Useless · 2006-03-30, 09:27 AM

Of course, as has been mentioned numerous times before, yet bears repeating, AWstats is far from perfect at figuring access via bookmark and add-to-favorites. Bookmarks is really any access to your page from any link that AWstats can't register as another online page. Could be a link from within an email or maybe even some sort of proxy. Add to favorites is shite. That's only used for IE when it searches for your favicon.ico.

Surfn · 2006-03-30, 09:30 AM

Smutbandit yesterday 116762/42532 BM/25.9 %

neveremail · 2006-03-30, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Of course, as has been mentioned numerous times before, yet bears repeating, AWstats is far from perfect at figuring access via bookmark and add-to-favorites. Bookmarks is really any access to your page from any link that AWstats can't register as another online page. Could be a link from within an email or maybe even some sort of proxy. Add to favorites is shite. That's only used for IE when it searches for your favicon.ico.

Yep thats a good point

However, I do still see a decent correlation of what AWstats shows and what I would expect from my individual sites. In other words a harder to surf site with shittier traffic shows less bookmarks than a well made site with lots of content and great well targeted traffic.
It seems to works well as a comparison between sites but I would not pay to much attention to the actual percentage.

Toby · 2006-03-30, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...only used for IE when it searches for your favicon.ico.

FireFox looks for favicon.ico everytime it loads a page. That's likely skewing those figures big time.

Surfn · 2006-03-30, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby

FireFox looks for favicon.ico everytime it loads a page. That's likely skewing those figures big time.

That would be .9% of my surfers, prolly webmasters

kbbq · 2006-03-30, 01:51 PM

be careful of awstats and what they tell you. My awstats we off by 1000%. yes.. no typo. ONE THOUSAND percent. You want to double check your awstats with perhaps an invisible counter. Details after my point on how i found out

With that in mind. My point is that I would be very careful on making any marketing / site changes based on stats retrieved from awstats until you have made sure that your awstats are trustworthy. Mine weren't so I switched to trusting google analytics for all my stats.

Now details.

My front page has a size of 100KB. I was tailing my access logs one day and noticed that I was getting a lot of hits requesting only 10k-30k. That's not even a third of the page that they are requesting. In short, a lot of weird bogus hits were coming, but awstats still counted them as valid page views. In awstats, there's a column that says Average Page Size. My average page size request was 60k. which doesn't make any sense. So i did an audit by putting on 3 page counters on my home page.

1) Google Analytics
2) Master Stats
3) Stat Counter

All 3 of those gave me stats within 5% of each other. Awstats was 1000% off.

So... yeah.... it sucks because i love awstats, especially since i got the stupid geoip plugin setup too.

Carl · 2006-03-30, 04:13 PM

Well AwStats says...

Direct address / Bookmarks 208054 47.3 % 379148 59.7 %
Add to favorites (estimated) 21866 / 153878 Visitors 14.2 %

I don't believe it either.

Greenguy · 2006-03-30, 04:32 PM

Why do you people have to bash AWStats? I'd like to believe that I'm getting 50% of my traffic from bookmarkers, but all you people do is knock me back down to reality

Simon · 2006-03-30, 05:11 PM

I know what you mean about wanting to believe, GG

Awstats on my new project is showing...

Direct address / Bookmarks 61.2%
Add to favorites (estimated) 55.4%

For those who use awstats, there's info on configuring it linked
from this page that can help you tweak a few things...
http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html

.

2006-03-29, 05:21 PM	#1
neveremail Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 504	Percentage Bookmarkers and Page Views/Visit I've been building up some of my hubs and listing a alot of my freesites on the front page. Its mostly freesite traffic filtering through to my hub index. Using AWstats generally I have seen 2-3 pages being viewed by a surfer per visit and 10-20% of surfers bookmarking the site. Now I am seeing over 7 page views per surfer per visit and over 30% bookmarkers. Is it possible I am giving way too much away on my index linking to the freesites or should I be happy that I am attracting bookmarkers and that they like to look around my site? The freesites are reasonably easy to find so should I be making it harder for a surfer to get to them, for example putting them on a second page, or hiding them out of the way somewhere on the front page. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2006-03-30, 07:06 AM	#3
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,760	Bookmarkers are great for hubs, link lists, tgp, etc. They bookmark you because they like your listings, so they'll come back & look to see what's new the next day/week/whatever. They also build up a level of trust with you & your site, which means they might be comfortable enough to bust out that CC __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-03-30, 07:28 AM	#4
neveremail Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 504	For those of you that use AWstats what sort of percentage bookmarkers do people see on their Link Lists hubs etc?? __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2006-03-30, 07:39 AM	#5
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,760	My newest project - Porn Movie Links - is at 47.8% Direct address / Bookmarks for March, which I think is way too high since the site is averaging 5300 uniques a day (I can't see 2600 people visiting via bookmark or typing the URL into their browsers) __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-03-30, 08:18 AM	#6
HC-Majick You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 541	Direct address / Bookmarks for March: unclethumper.com - 30.6% naughtyplace.com - 43.2% the numbers for Jan and Feb were the same within a couple percentage points Add to favorites: unclethumper.com - 12% naughtyplace.com - 22.8% __________________ Submit Your Freesites: Last edited by HC-Majick; 2006-03-30 at 08:35 AM.. Reason: added 'add to favorites' stats

2006-03-30, 04:53 AM	#2
alessandro I don't have to be careful. I got a gun Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The 3rd planet from the sun :) Posts: 365	nevermail, I believe that if surfers stay more on your site once they reach it then it's great. From SEs point of view ( and it seems just logical to me ) if surfers stay more on a site than it's quality, it has something of value that surfers are interested in, unlike spammy non-quality sites which in most cases get closed in the first 10 seconds or so ( and they can get this data, mostly Google through the toolbar ). The increased number of bookmarkes is great, don't worry about that, at least I never do when I see more bookmarkers Don't "hide" the freesites, just make sure that BEFORE the freesites you have some tasty banners/text links to make the surfer click them and give you a chance to make some money

2006-03-30, 08:51 AM	#8
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,760	Add to favorites (estimated) 28801 / 116999 Visitors 24.6 % __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-03-30, 09:10 AM	#9
KG Gary I can now put whatever I want in this space Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South East UK Posts: 744	Add to favorites (estimated) 30628 / 86330 Visitors - 35.4 % For my main hub - http:/www.pynio.com/ Although I figured that this seemed like an over-estimate, that's what AWStats has for March. __________________ Sponsors that used to convert with freesites Over 700 clean freesites

2006-03-30, 09:27 AM	#10
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	Of course, as has been mentioned numerous times before, yet bears repeating, AWstats is far from perfect at figuring access via bookmark and add-to-favorites. Bookmarks is really any access to your page from any link that AWstats can't register as another online page. Could be a link from within an email or maybe even some sort of proxy. Add to favorites is shite. That's only used for IE when it searches for your favicon.ico. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2006-03-30, 09:30 AM	#11
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	Smutbandit yesterday 116762/42532 BM/25.9 % __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2006-03-30, 01:51 PM	#15
kbbq I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 86	be careful of awstats and what they tell you. My awstats we off by 1000%. yes.. no typo. ONE THOUSAND percent. You want to double check your awstats with perhaps an invisible counter. Details after my point on how i found out With that in mind. My point is that I would be very careful on making any marketing / site changes based on stats retrieved from awstats until you have made sure that your awstats are trustworthy. Mine weren't so I switched to trusting google analytics for all my stats. Now details. My front page has a size of 100KB. I was tailing my access logs one day and noticed that I was getting a lot of hits requesting only 10k-30k. That's not even a third of the page that they are requesting. In short, a lot of weird bogus hits were coming, but awstats still counted them as valid page views. In awstats, there's a column that says Average Page Size. My average page size request was 60k. which doesn't make any sense. So i did an audit by putting on 3 page counters on my home page. 1) Google Analytics 2) Master Stats 3) Stat Counter All 3 of those gave me stats within 5% of each other. Awstats was 1000% off. So... yeah.... it sucks because i love awstats, especially since i got the stupid geoip plugin setup too. __________________ KBBQ nick - at - silvercash.com

2006-03-30, 04:13 PM	#16
Carl A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 58	Well AwStats says... Direct address / Bookmarks 208054 47.3 % 379148 59.7 % Add to favorites (estimated) 21866 / 153878 Visitors 14.2 % I don't believe it either. Last edited by Carl; 2006-03-30 at 04:15 PM..

2006-03-30, 04:32 PM	#17
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,760	Why do you people have to bash AWStats? I'd like to believe that I'm getting 50% of my traffic from bookmarkers, but all you people do is knock me back down to reality __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-03-30, 05:11 PM	#18
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	I know what you mean about wanting to believe, GG Awstats on my new project is showing... Direct address / Bookmarks 61.2% Add to favorites (estimated) 55.4% For those who use awstats, there's info on configuring it linked from this page that can help you tweak a few things... http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html . __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka