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2006-03-29, 05:21 PM | #1 |
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Percentage Bookmarkers and Page Views/Visit
I've been building up some of my hubs and listing a alot of my freesites on the front page. Its mostly freesite traffic filtering through to my hub index.
Using AWstats generally I have seen 2-3 pages being viewed by a surfer per visit and 10-20% of surfers bookmarking the site. Now I am seeing over 7 page views per surfer per visit and over 30% bookmarkers. Is it possible I am giving way too much away on my index linking to the freesites or should I be happy that I am attracting bookmarkers and that they like to look around my site? The freesites are reasonably easy to find so should I be making it harder for a surfer to get to them, for example putting them on a second page, or hiding them out of the way somewhere on the front page.
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2006-03-30, 04:53 AM | #2 |
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nevermail, I believe that if surfers stay more on your site once they reach it then it's great.
From SEs point of view ( and it seems just logical to me ) if surfers stay more on a site than it's quality, it has something of value that surfers are interested in, unlike spammy non-quality sites which in most cases get closed in the first 10 seconds or so ( and they can get this data, mostly Google through the toolbar ). The increased number of bookmarkes is great, don't worry about that, at least I never do when I see more bookmarkers Don't "hide" the freesites, just make sure that BEFORE the freesites you have some tasty banners/text links to make the surfer click them and give you a chance to make some money |
2006-03-30, 07:06 AM | #3 |
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Bookmarkers are great for hubs, link lists, tgp, etc. They bookmark you because they like your listings, so they'll come back & look to see what's new the next day/week/whatever.
They also build up a level of trust with you & your site, which means they might be comfortable enough to bust out that CC |
2006-03-30, 07:28 AM | #4 |
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For those of you that use AWstats what sort of percentage bookmarkers do people see on their Link Lists hubs etc??
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2006-03-30, 07:39 AM | #5 |
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My newest project - Porn Movie Links - is at 47.8% Direct address / Bookmarks for March, which I think is way too high since the site is averaging 5300 uniques a day (I can't see 2600 people visiting via bookmark or typing the URL into their browsers)
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2006-03-30, 08:19 AM | #6 | |
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2006-03-30, 08:18 AM | #7 |
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Direct address / Bookmarks for March:
unclethumper.com - 30.6% naughtyplace.com - 43.2% the numbers for Jan and Feb were the same within a couple percentage points Add to favorites: unclethumper.com - 12% naughtyplace.com - 22.8%
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2006-03-30, 08:51 AM | #8 |
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Add to favorites (estimated) 28801 / 116999 Visitors 24.6 %
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2006-03-30, 09:10 AM | #9 |
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Add to favorites (estimated) 30628 / 86330 Visitors - 35.4 %
For my main hub - http:/www.pynio.com/ Although I figured that this seemed like an over-estimate, that's what AWStats has for March. |
2006-03-30, 09:27 AM | #10 |
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Of course, as has been mentioned numerous times before, yet bears repeating, AWstats is far from perfect at figuring access via bookmark and add-to-favorites. Bookmarks is really any access to your page from any link that AWstats can't register as another online page. Could be a link from within an email or maybe even some sort of proxy. Add to favorites is shite. That's only used for IE when it searches for your favicon.ico.
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2006-03-30, 10:32 AM | #11 | |
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However, I do still see a decent correlation of what AWstats shows and what I would expect from my individual sites. In other words a harder to surf site with shittier traffic shows less bookmarks than a well made site with lots of content and great well targeted traffic. It seems to works well as a comparison between sites but I would not pay to much attention to the actual percentage.
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2006-03-30, 10:54 AM | #12 | |
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2006-03-30, 09:30 AM | #14 |
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2006-03-30, 01:51 PM | #15 |
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be careful of awstats and what they tell you. My awstats we off by 1000%. yes.. no typo. ONE THOUSAND percent. You want to double check your awstats with perhaps an invisible counter. Details after my point on how i found out
With that in mind. My point is that I would be very careful on making any marketing / site changes based on stats retrieved from awstats until you have made sure that your awstats are trustworthy. Mine weren't so I switched to trusting google analytics for all my stats. Now details. My front page has a size of 100KB. I was tailing my access logs one day and noticed that I was getting a lot of hits requesting only 10k-30k. That's not even a third of the page that they are requesting. In short, a lot of weird bogus hits were coming, but awstats still counted them as valid page views. In awstats, there's a column that says Average Page Size. My average page size request was 60k. which doesn't make any sense. So i did an audit by putting on 3 page counters on my home page. 1) Google Analytics 2) Master Stats 3) Stat Counter All 3 of those gave me stats within 5% of each other. Awstats was 1000% off. So... yeah.... it sucks because i love awstats, especially since i got the stupid geoip plugin setup too.
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2006-03-30, 04:13 PM | #16 |
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Well AwStats says...
Direct address / Bookmarks 208054 47.3 % 379148 59.7 % Add to favorites (estimated) 21866 / 153878 Visitors 14.2 % I don't believe it either. Last edited by Carl; 2006-03-30 at 04:15 PM.. |
2006-03-30, 04:32 PM | #17 |
The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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Why do you people have to bash AWStats? I'd like to believe that I'm getting 50% of my traffic from bookmarkers, but all you people do is knock me back down to reality
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2006-03-30, 05:11 PM | #18 |
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I know what you mean about wanting to believe, GG
Awstats on my new project is showing... Direct address / Bookmarks 61.2%For those who use awstats, there's info on configuring it linked from this page that can help you tweak a few things... http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html .
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