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2006-12-17, 09:19 AM
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Sexdug.Com / Useful Scripts Blacklisted
Hey Greenie! Are you sending out rejection mails on all submits or only some? Haven't gotten an acceptance or rejection on sites subbed a few weeks ago? Just wondering?
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2006-12-17, 09:23 AM
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2006-12-17, 09:29 AM
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No! Just double checked my submit box where I keep all past accept/rejects. I've subbed maybe 20 sites over the last 3 weeks and are just getting back to reviewing what was left out there and noticed this odd problem. any ideas?
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2006-12-17, 09:31 AM
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i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf
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2006-12-17, 09:36 AM
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Example: http://www.triplexxx.info/fetish/bes...eek/index.html
Nick DJ Email: prom@sexdug.com I'm only subbing from Triple XXX, but have continued with the sexdug.com email (which I still own) because that's where I started. |
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2006-12-17, 09:42 AM
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i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf
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2006-12-17, 09:48 AM
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Well that's insane! I've never taken down a link, I've never run an email campaign, I've never redirected, I've never done anything that would/could be considered inappropriate ever. Thanks for the referral because I'm about to take this real personal.
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2006-12-17, 09:54 AM
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i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf
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2006-12-17, 10:09 AM
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Yeah I just checked (thanks for helping me) and it refers to a vid cap rule and I entered an appeal. So am I to infer that because sometime long in the past I subbed a free site that used video caps, that someone banned me and has chosen to fuck with my whole business activity?
Now I understand that the blackist is and has been very helpful in dealing with bad characters and I'm, all for it. But this is ridiculous to put somebody on the list for a vid cap! Also, since I've not dealt with this before what's up with not identifying the webmaster that put you on it. That is some straight up pussy, coward, bullshit. I wanna know who did this, cause first I don't want to submit to such a pussy MF anymore and second if somebody wants to play in this petty mode then I want the right to play back too. Am I to understand that all I have to do is buy a script from Useful and then I can too go and blacklist people who might annoy me in the slightest sense? I'm sorry for ranting in this thread. i just can't believe that this anonymous system is how this is being used. This is not right! If someone takes a step forward like that, then they should identify themselves. MML How do I find out who did this? |
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2006-12-17, 10:52 AM
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i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf
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The black list is used by lots of link lists and the appeal system sends that link list owner the appeal. I have know way of knowing who it is but it takes about 24 to 48 hours so and keep in mind this is Sunday as well.
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2006-12-17, 11:07 AM
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Thank you for your response. I only wanted to confirm that this is an entirely anonymous system. I don't give a fuck about the appeal. I wanna fight the pussy MF that has the balls to do this. The pussy piece of shit probably won't take me off anyway cause I'm calling him/her garbage, coward, a piece of shit whom I'd bitch slap if they were in front of me and therefore are too damn cowardly to ID themselves. I wanna fight the petty, pussy MF that has the balls to do this.
I'll start another thread for my rant. You've been kind and helpful and don't need to listen to my crap. Nevertheless, I'm thinking how cool is it to be using a blacklist that can so easily be abused and affect people over matters that aren't really appropriate for such draconian measures. Vid cap.... really? It's embarrasing that an established member of this board can get this kind of treatment over such a stupid thing. |
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2006-12-17, 12:23 PM
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Sexdug.Com / Useful Scripts Blacklisted
This is first to let everyone know that our submits using the email addy promo@sexdug.com will now use a different email from the domain TripleXXX.info. I could have just done this quietly and probably served my purposes better, but fuck that and the pussy MF that blacklisted us.
Why? Because it has come to our attention that a lazy, cowardly, pussy, piece of shit blacklisted us at Usefulscripts for vid caps on a free site. VID CAPS!!!! We have been a member of this board for awhile and our business practices are spotless. We completely agree with the blacklisting concept and usefulness for keeping undesirables out. However, we have been submitting sites with purchased content for well over a year and haven't even submitted from the Sexdug.Com domain for at least as long. However, we are aghast that instead of sending a rejection notice or deleting the submit; that some whiny, little, bitch rat instead put us on the blacklist. We've appealed this morning of course so the WM that did this should be getting an email. I'm hoping that you have the courage to identify yourself, you spineless little, petty, fuck. On a related note, how can some of you be using this blacklist without a significantly greater bar to entry than someone didn't like your freesite? Even this would be fine if the WM who blacklisted you didn't get to hide behind a black curtain of anonymity. This is just not right. Also, how are you blacklisted without notice and then on top of it there is no higher power to review except the WM who put you there to begin with. How stupid is that? To the WM who was too lazy to just send a rejection notice, FUCK YOU BITCH. Tell me who are? Now some of you know me from the board or my list, etc., those who don't check my posts. I am not given to unkind words, unhelpful advice, or lame posts. I am an easy going, go along to get along kind of guy. Up until the point that someone agressively decides to jump into the middle of my pond with bullshit. There becomes a major problem that I want to crush and now I'm thinking about you all day, every day. The WM who did this is a stupid punk that thinks' they're smart or clever and I hope and pray you stand up you gutless piece of shit then we can play like real men. Don't be a pussy all your life. Don't get me wrong, we've been listed consistiently by most sites and we have great traffic so its not like he is ruining me and now I just have to submit from a new email. But on principle alone the current process for blacklisting is too secret and too easy. All one has to do is buy the script from Useful and now they can go blacklist all their annoying competitors. You can bet I'll be doing that if Useful Scripts fails to respond to the cease and desist letter. This is just stupid. Thank you very much. |
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2006-12-17, 01:36 PM
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Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs!
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Whoa...lil extra coffee this morning DJ?
No offense bud, but these things happen...and frankly popping up on that list is not a HUGE deal. You were right to appeal of course, though I gotta admit your approach in this thread could have been handled better if you had any hopes of the other party complying with your request to be removed. A few points about that particular blacklist. Most reviewers use it as a tool, another check point...nothing more. I have several things I check on new submitters, that list is but one of them. If I do run across someone on that list, WHY they're on there weighs heavily on how much credence I give the fact that they're listed. Vid caps wouldn't phase me a bit, since I accept quality vid caps. Lastly, simply owning the script from Useful doesn't give you access to add people to that blacklist. I ran their script for well over a year and never had the need or access to bl someone. On a side note, please continue using your old submit addy when submitting to me. My script doesn't like the odd TLDs like .info. Seriously, take a deep breath man...this isn't that big a deal. Oh, and by the way...if you were to check my submit addy, I'm listed for templates from a long time ago. Appealed and the listing is now inactive, but it still shows up there...not a big deal  |
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2006-12-17, 01:48 PM
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Hi DJilla,
Getting blacklisted for vid caps is pretty lame IMHO. Like MrYum, I too have made that list before, appealed, and was then removed. Not too much of a big deal, but it can be enough to piss you off for sure. Some webmasters are just too good for some of us it seems. I like to think I submit quality freesites, but some wms are just so picky or their ego is out of control, it's not even worth your time. I'd also like to meet a couple of these webmasters in person, and slap the holy fuck out of them. Anyways, I hope they show up and identify themselves, this might be an interesting thread.  |
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2006-12-17, 02:13 PM
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I do overreact massively when someone jumps into my life without cause. Because of this I go waaaayyyy out of my way to avoid problems or conflicts and mind my own business and move forward. I'm very bad with conflict and loose all perspective and just want to smash everything. This of course has served me pretty well in the real world giving pause to people who don't really have an axe to grind with me and don't want to make one. Obviously online where people can hide so easily, my attitude is not productive, I know this and apoligize for anybody's sensitive ears. My agressiveness was meant to goad the WM forward and not to kiss his butt for an appeal. I just think if you're tough enough to want to mess with a man's rep or money you should step up and say who you are. Then we can see. I guess I'm also having a problem with a blacklist that can so easy hurt business relations and yet the original poster can be anonymous. Also, as you know I'm completely freaked about even the word "blacklist". You had mentioned it to me a while back in connection with a site being flagged as possible spam for being on a shared IP and as you also know it took about 48 hours before I moved it to a dedicated IP as a result of your helpful heads up. Secret tribunals and "I've blacklisted you and you can't do anything about it unless you ask me nice" is difficult for me to handle. But thanks again for the "take a deep breath". I go throw a frisbee for awhile.  |
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2006-12-17, 02:20 PM
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2006-12-17, 03:25 PM
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Now, I'm really gonna go and take the dog out. Instead of doing it right away like I said above I started doing searches and stuff. So I've learned that this kind of lame blacklisting for reasons that have nothing to do with cheating or multisubmitting, etc. has being going on for years. I see posts from people who were new in 2002, 2003 and are now well known WM's complaining about being blacklisted because their site scrolled past 800x600, or other petty stuff. Appeals are not responded to and just who is responsible for running this is some kind of secret. Well I can see why.
I've even identified several lists that use this blacklist and obviously judged vid caps as not very important because they've listed my sites pretty regulalrly. Thanks for that at least! I wish I would've known though. I also see some of the biggest names on this board that I like and respect as being often identified as secret go betweens that can miraculously take you off. If there's no good reason to be on there in the first place you shouldn't have to kiss anybody's ass to get off. Ohhh, this has got me fried. OK, so now I've insulted a lot bigger guys (cause I haven't changed my opinoin on these practices one bit). Blacklisting people from your list is one thing but causing them to be blacklisted from potentially other lists who are not as lazy and petty based on your word is just wrong. Period. This is never something you could get away with in bricks and mortar. I hope that maybe we can all take a look at this a little closer and see if there is a more bright line to draw on what behaivor should be blacklisted and what is being disrespectful and anticompetitive. Oh, and hey how about a simple notification email so a WM isn't busting his butt for hours, days, and weeks only to find that some little creep has undermined all his efforts cause he can't be bothered to simply delete the submit. This makes my sick. I hope my posts do develop a healthy exchange of what's really appropriate in using/administering this blacklist or any well used blacklist. If its just for competitive advantage, or just becasue a WM is lazy, or once placed on the list can't be removed without the secret password that's straight crap and something should be done about it. I can't believe I'm seeing all these posts on multiple boards regarding the same problems over years. Blacklisting is a hostile act and one should have a very good reason for doing it and do it in the open air. If the system has been abused (I'm speaking from all the posts I've read) why has this gone on for so long. |
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2006-12-18, 07:33 AM
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UsefulScripts - Not Really
Hi! Some might have seen my rants on the UsefulScripts Blacklist. Now that I'm not so angry and more focused I'm ready to proceed.
After review of their website which apparently hasn't been updated since 2001 and many links are outright broken I was finally able to locate a phone number (+44 (0) 1732 773 723 ). Its slightly before lunch in the UK. I have called the number of Inet Publishing (the purported owner of Usefulscripts) which is a cellular phone answered by a female who hangs up when the caller (me) inquires whether this was Inet Publishing. A second call was also hung up on without further inquiry as to why I was calling. A third and fourth call went unanswered. I'll try back again later but so far I don't expect much responsiveness. That's fine I was only calling to find out who if any their legal counsel was. You can't successfully sue a foreign national in the US. Not true. Actually its very easy particularly if you have fairly decent initial skills to get the ball rolling which I do. What will happen is that I'll file suit in the local federal court which if Useful Scripts has a pot to piss in (which I doubt) they'll hire a local attorney to defend. If they don't show up I'll receive a default judgement. Can't collect a judgement on a foreign national you say. Actually not true either.. there are some tricks to doing this too. However, no matter, there is no limit to the amount of collateral trouble you can cause when you have judgement in hand. A judgment gives great legal authority for accumulating information and developing additonal actions. I was greatly encouraged by my emerging plan when I fell upon by the recent precedent setting $11 million rulling against SPAMHAUS the anti spamming company and right here in Illinois which makes it easy for me to get all the legal filings from our electronic docketing system. I'm all for a well run blacklist that captures cheaters and the like. What I'm not up for is a BL that is not administered correctly, unresponsive, and a list that has no verification or notification process and is a tool that allows petty WM's to blackball competitors without process. Furthermore, I need to do a little more research but I'm pretty sure that a civilian can sue a private company under US Racketeering statutes, that means that all of you webmasters that contribute to it under the blanket of secrecy will be actionable under a default judgement as well. One of my domains is on this list for having "vid caps". I've seen many other posts from WM's who were on this list becasue their site scrolled past 800px or other some such crap. If you've been on this list and had to turn cartwheels to get off, or tried to get off and was ignored or not responded to, or other such perceived injustices, please PM with your story and details about how you found yourself on the list, how long if ever it took to get a response or get off. All PM's will be kept confidential. I am only trying to build a pattern of behaivor from your information. If this BL list doesn't change its practices on its own to be more formal and proper, I will change it one way or another. It may not happen tomorrow but it will happen. Thanxxx  |
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2006-12-18, 07:45 AM
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2006-12-18, 08:59 AM
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Thank you! Don't get me wrong, again I'm all for a BL that works for everybody and is fair and accountable. This one isn't it. Few minutes ago found out the UsefulScripts code was written by Richard, one of the bigger players out there. Also, this script is used by some of the bigger lists out there. So why do I want to pick a fight with people I like and who could theoretically further damage my efforts out of spite? Well that's a tough one. Basically I'm pissed and that's always a bad thing cause everything else gets shoved aside. But most importantly what's been going on here for years is just wrong. If you're blacklisted on this list for the pettiest of reasons, all of your efforts, expenses, time, etc. has been wasted in the case of all those lists that never even look at your site because its rejected at the bin level. To me that means someone has wasted a lot of my time and money and I want it back.
My biggests problem with this whole thing is that you may or may not even know your on this list. Lack of notification of being on the list and identification of the person that put you there make the whole thing stink. How can we be welcoming and encouraging newbies on one hand (who are the lifeblood of this LL biz) pretending to help them and then with the other hand let some coward blackball them and waste all their good faith efforts? |
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2006-12-18, 10:08 AM
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Remember that most people that link to you don't charge you money and spend a good deal of time and money doing it. I think that this post would convince most of them to stop even with out the blacklist.
I know if I was a link list owner I'd cut all communications with you in about 3 minutes after reading this post. There are much better ways to deal with the issue. |
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2006-12-18, 10:23 AM
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Don't you love it when you decide to take a whopping 36 hours off from work and something happens where your phone rings & your ICQ go nuts with incoming messages?
I'm not even going to lower myself to the wonderful name-calling game you're playing. I'll just say that I'm surprised to hear this from "an established member of this board", especially when you have no idea who you're directing the comments at. While I (LOR) did blacklist you, it was not me personally that did it, but I am responsible for my site & my reviewers, so I will assume that all those comments were directed at me. Let me try to explain why you're on the blacklist. It was not just one submit - I'd be insane to blacklist someone based on one submit. You were blacklisted for repeatedly breaking the rules - in this case, we saw repeated submits that contained vid caps, which has been a LOR rule for a very long time. When something like this happens, we blacklist the domain in question because the submitter is obviously not reading the rules & pretty much wasting our time (and please remember that this was done long before I put in the accepted/rejected emails) You were blacklisted from submitting to LOR. No other Link Lists, just LOR. If you're upset that you were not notified about being on the blacklist, remember that you never bothered to notify me that you were not reading the rules & repeatedly submitting sites that broke those rules. Quote:
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2006-12-18, 10:39 AM
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IMHO, a person whom I do not know has caused me to loose potential income, attacked a reputation, casued me to waste time which to me is money, and has done so in secret with a system that never notified me, gave me chance to respond, or offers any way for proper review other than to the webmaster that did it to begin with. The principle is that I would never allow such a thing to occur in front of me or by someone who was affecting my business in a similar way in the real world. How can I possibly accept this in the virtual? I can not accept someone's hostile actions and then turn around to that WM and say please help me. I physically can't do it. Maybe you are a better person. If I interfere with someone's money and rep then I should expect some repurcussions. Its just that simple. I'm thinking that maybe you avoided some of the very real deficiencies I pointed out regarding this particular BL system and how it works in favor of not liking my attitude. I'm sorry for that. Its not a matter of KA... its a matter of right and wrong. I would hope that some people can relate to my point of view and are equally annoyed at the arbitrary administration of this list to be fair and accountable. It doesn't make a difference if you can get off by asking nicely when you shouldn't be on there to begin with. I'll take it that your post is coming down on the side of not wanting to do biz with me because of my manner. That's unfortunate and saddens me because again I'll admit my attitude can get real bad when teased but only when I'm provoked first. My attitude shouldn't make a hill of beans in this debate. I think it should be about the business points I made. |
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Just so everyone is not completely confused, 3 threads on this subject have been merged into 1 (so it may read a little goofy)
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