is 2257 means death for thumb tgp's ?

[Leon]

hi all not quite sure if i understand the new 2257 compliance is that means the end of thumb rotating or posting tgp's ?
or they just need to add a link to 2257 ?
whats will the thumb rotating sites that's rotate FHG will have to do ?

[Extreme John]

Anyone in the US that owns a thumb site that wants to be in compliance will either need to display Softcore style content or they will need to have the Proper "Secondary Producer" docs needed because they display a hardcore image.

[Toby]

If the court doesn't throw out the secondary producer provisions of the current revisions, as the 10th Circuit did in 1998 with the original regs (Sundance Associates v. Reno), then yes thumb TGPs and similar sites by US based webmasters will become history.

I think the court will toss out more than just that part of the new regs, and if I understood what I read in an article about how the FSC plans to attack this issue the court may decide to toss the whole statute out and tell congress to start over.

Like a number of others around here, the only 2257 related changes I made to my sites to date is removal of a few galleries at the request of sponsors. Fortunately that has been minimal to this point.

[Extreme John]

I agree I think a large part of this has to fall apart.

[F/X2.0]

I just removed the thumbnails and changed over to all text links.
the TGP traffic went down a bit, but productivity "clicks" when up!....
it seems to even out...

[melloman]

seems like a mess

[Cleo]

At least something good might come out of this

[Linkster]

The replacing of thumbs with text links is my approach for right now as well - but Im keeping the thumb template ready to go

[Leon]

so basicly use of erotic thumbnails is already a good cover and as i am not US citizen its hardly apply to me good to know !
correct me if i didnt get this right
even hardcore images if they come from sponsor gals FHG with the good 2257 rules is still will be allowed ?

[Greenguy]

I think everyone is forgetting that the definition of "sexually explicit" as far as the content goes hasn't really be defined.

[Cleo]

I guess ANSI porn will be making a comeback

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I think everyone is forgetting that the definition of "sexually explicit" as far as the content goes hasn't really be defined.

well 2 sponsors told me by email:
Explicit content includes actual
sexual conduct including all varieties of sexual intercourse,
vaginal, oral, anal, gay, straight, bestiality, masturbation
and sadistic or masochistic abuse. Also, any depictions
of the genitals would fall within this definition.
thats what ars4real told me.
and this is :
SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts.
what squirting carly told in her email to me. ackk those emails drive me nuts

[Cleo]

So I guess this would be exempt then

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Cleo

So I guess this would be exempt then

ohhh myyy god ddddd*boink* Stu<--- felt of her chair, did you have to show that its almost 1 midnight herei wanted to have a good nightsleep , but now i have trauma...i need to talk to someone, telling an woman called Cleo did bad things very bad things

[Greenguy]

I think there's a little "pink" on that one Cleo

[Useless]

I'm sure that one would be exempt due to scientific fascination. Shouldn't even be considered genitalia at that point.

[Cleo]

I guess the concept of constipation is unknown to this man

[mrMagoo]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

well 2 sponsors told me by email:
Explicit content includes actual
sexual conduct including all varieties of sexual intercourse,
vaginal, oral, anal, gay, straight, bestiality, masturbation
and sadistic or masochistic abuse. Also, any depictions
of the genitals would fall within this definition.
thats what ars4real told me.
and this is :
SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts.
what squirting carly told in her email to me. ackk those emails drive me nuts

That is only some sponsors opinion or how they define it in terms of their relations with their affiliates.

Depiction of the genitals or pubic area is not necessarily sexually explicit for 2257.

[stuveltje]

i wonder how he shit.......... hey these things make me think...........its would be sit on the toilet the hole opens and all drop down with a huge splonse i bett ya he doesnt have to whipe his ass yeah i am still up

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by mrMagoo

That is only some sponsors opinion or how they define it in terms of their relations with their affiliates.

Depiction of the genitals or pubic area is not necessarily sexually explicit for 2257.

yep but these sponsors are the one to tell me to remove their hardcore content and banners and i dont give a shit about the 2257, its not the 2257 for me its the sponsors now they forche me

[Useless]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

yep but these sponsors are the one to tell me to remove their hardcore content and banners and i dont give a shit about the 2257, its not the 2257 for me its the sponsors now they forche me

I'm right there with you stu. If it weren't for sponsors forcing me to pull their content, I wouldn't be pulling anything. The 2257 cops aren't going to find me hiding in Greenguy's backyard.

[Cleo]

There is no definition of sexually explicit anymore then there is a definition of exactly what is porn.

I don't find this sexual explicate at all.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/b0g_lUv/goatse.jpg
Really fucking gross, but nothing sexual about it at all.

Looks like "Cheesecake" will need a 2257 since it is porn. One slice of your cheesecake please and does it come with its own 2257 docs?

Webster’s Concise Electronic Dictionary

4 sense(s) for “pornography”

1. por·nog·ra·phy
• (noun)
– depiction of erotic behavior meant chiefly to cause sexual excitement
• por·nog·ra·pher (noun) [por·nog·ra·phers]
• por·no·graph·ic (adjective)
• por·no·graph·i·cal·ly (adverb)

Proximity/Franklin U.S. English Thesaurus

1 meaning(s) for “pornography”

1. (noun) lewd material
• (synonym) beefcake, cheesecake, erotica, filth, porn, smut

dict.org

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

1 definition(s) found

Pornography \Por*nog"ra*phy\, n. [Gr. ? a harlot + -graphy.]
1. Licentious painting or literature; especially, the
painting anciently employed to decorate the walls of rooms
devoted to bacchanalian orgies.

2. (Med.) A treatise on prostitutes, or prostitution.


WordNet (r) 2.0

1 definition(s) found

pornography
n : creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no
literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual
desire [syn: porno, porn, erotica, smut]


The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)

1 definition(s) found

pornography

<application> Still or moving images, usually of women, in
varying states of nudity, posing or performing erotic acts
with men, women, animals, machines, or other props. Some say
it degrades women, some say it corrupts young boys (who
down-load it from the World-Wide Web or exchange it on
floppy disks). Most of it is in the form of JPEG images.
There are many sites on the World-Wide Web offering porn of
all sorts, almost always for a subscription. It is said that
these are a driving force in the evolution of new technology
and techniques for the web. Advertisments for them certainly
constitute a significant proportion of all spam. There are
even pornographic computer games, an early example being Mac
Playmate.

Beware - many institutions, particularly universities, have
strict rules against their computers and networks being used
to transfer or store such things, and you might get corrupted.

(2002-03-08)

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'm right there with you stu. If it weren't for sponsors forcing me to pull their content, I wouldn't be pulling anything. The 2257 cops aren't going to find me hiding in Greenguy's backyard.

oh your in GG backyard too?? i didnt see you no for real tht whole concept of the 2257 is one big bullshit, although i can understand the US webmaster...i think, on this moment its realy the sponsors, they say hey, remove the hardcore banners ad the free content, yeah easy how the fuck do i replace content and banner shit from more then 250 free sites in 9 days , hey i am not superwoman, oke sometimes i am but if they woldnt forche me ye then i didnt have anything t remove, and i still can kick myself i never started to use only my bought content

[terry]

Im not going to do anything till they come for me... there I said it.

[ardentgent]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

well 2 sponsors told me by email:
Explicit content includes actual
sexual conduct including all varieties of sexual intercourse,
vaginal, oral, anal, gay, straight, bestiality, masturbation
and sadistic or masochistic abuse. Also, any depictions
of the genitals would fall within this definition.
thats what ars4real told me.
and this is :
SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts.
what squirting carly told in her email to me. ackk those emails drive me nuts

I have seen that ars post but the regulations exempt letter E of 2256 which defines sexually explicit conduct. E says lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person. So I don't know why they are saying that depictions
of the genitals would fall within the definition of sexually explicit.