I've Pulled Hardlink Trades - You May Want To Read This

[Preacher]

Ok, my list has been around almost two years and I've always tried to treat people fair. I've given submitters second chances, removed some blacklisted statuses and even taken the time to personally argue my LL rules with foreign submitters who have disagreed via private message.

But lately something has been nagging at me and I feel compelled to take action. When I entered into link trades, it was in the assumed understanding that I would be trading with another webmasters projects that they would keep up to date and active. I know things happen in life and business and plans change, but it is very frustrating when I find that about half of my trades are to linklists with closed submits, haven't been updated in a year, or contain broken images and 404 links.

I spend a lot of time and effort in keeping my sites up to date, and I guess I expect others to do the same.

That being said I have gone ahead and pulled the hardlink trades I had with anyone whose site is no longer being updated or cared for. I have notified almost everyone I had these trades with, except for the one that has been banned from this board. I've even cleaned out my inbox for the surge of complaints I expect to see.

If you have recently asked me for trades and I haven't gotten back to you, it's nothing personal obviously.

[oldbrad]

Thats understandable preacher.

It's just too bad that so many do shit like that, or take links down, or try to cheat. Makes it hard for us honest ones to make trades and submit without having to be a "partner".

You have been more than fair, so if they don't like it and want to complain ... Fuck em.

[SheepGuy]

Heya Preacher,
Who wouldn't yank their links?
You've been more than understanding.

[ladydesigner]

This thread has got me thinking that it's time for me to do some spring cleaning on my LL's. I haven't checked my link trades in a while - should be fun.

[Greenguy]

I need to do that as well...but I'm thinking about being an ass & not telling the other side

[ronnie]

Bad enough when free sites pull links or change "sites", but it's even more frustrating when people you thought you could trust do it. Sure don't blame you.

[plateman]

also i like to add and i may sound like a asshole but...

I been rejecting sites that have my recip mixed in with other LL that don't review anymore, take 1 or 2 years to list sites or are closed

I am fair and if it is just a few dead LL recips I wont reject

also I am on the verge of closing public submitts and just giving out so many trusted submitters a url to sub to

its taking me to long to review anymore and makes my day way to long when I figure in building

[Dr Bizzaro]

If you're looking to replace some links, I can trade with my new site: http://www.bizarremovies.com/tgp.html

Let me know if you're interested.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Dr Bizzaro

If you're looking to replace some links, I can trade with my new site: http://www.bizarremovies.com/tgp.html

Let me know if you're interested.

[Dr Bizzaro]

Originally Posted by Greenie

How is that spam, Mr Ball breaker?

He said he's dropping trades. I assume that he'd be looking for new ones.

If I tried to pimp out the awesomely Unique TGP for E4acash again, I can understand how that could be considered spammy.

But Bizarre Movies is my personal site.

[Linkster]

I recently did the same thing - especially with LLs that werent updating etc - although I have to admit I had 2 LLs of my own that werent updating as often as I liked - but they are all caught up now to within 2 weeks of submitting

[bluemoney]

Got me thinking as well . . . but damn you Preacher for adding another item to my "to do list"

[spacemanspiff]

I started doing something similar to this back in early February, mainly deleting sites that were penalized or had very old cache dates. I'm going to take that a step further and delete all trades with fake link lists (sites listing only sponsor hosted galleries or free sites), and review sites.

I'll make every effort to contact trade partners but as some were set up via ICQ and/or PM I may not be able to get to everyone. Hopefully posting here will catch most of the trades that fall through the cracks.

[CaptainJSparrow]

Guys, ya'll've saved me from having to start a post. I've spent the last week looking over my link trades and deleting the bad ones. I had some that were trying to install viruses, a bunch that have been penalized by google and have pr=0 on their category pages, and alot that did just what was mentioned above...no new content, changed up the pages to just ads, etc. Hence, be forewarned (Ok, it's really after the fact because I've already pulled'em) I have pulled all links that I thought would be detrimental to my site to be linked to.

[Linkster]

Hmmmm...looks like I have more links to pull now

[Useless]

Originally Posted by spacemanspiff

mainly deleting sites that were penalized

What's your evidence?

Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

a bunch that have been penalized by google and have pr=0 on their category pages

PR 0 - So what? Penalized? How do you know?

I can never tell if I understand nothing about SEO or more than most.

[plateman]

Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

Guys, ya'll've saved me from having to start a post. I've spent the last week looking over my link trades and deleting the bad ones. I had some that were trying to install viruses, a bunch that have been penalized by google and have pr=0 on their category pages, and alot that did just what was mentioned above...no new content, changed up the pages to just ads, etc. Hence, be forewarned (Ok, it's really after the fact because I've already pulled'em) I have pulled all links that I thought would be detrimental to my site to be linked to.

yeah you pulled my trade, i visit the board and am on icq most everyday and I dont get a message - thats BS

plus the way you have free site submitters sub to you and have them wait a year or 2 while you get backlinks and traffic is also BS

So later dude while I pull your links

[plateman]

who else wants to stop trades or pull links, if you feel froggy jump, I hate to be the one to drag down your site in the serps...

anyone who relies on free traffic from google has built there house on sand!

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Dr Bizzaro

How is that spam, Mr Ball breaker?

He said he's dropping trades. I assume that he'd be looking for new ones...

Was it on The Odd Couple? "assume" makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me"

Seriously, I wish this board was the kind of place where people that did things like this didn't have to be labeled as spammers, but if I let you do it.....

You'll get the hang of this board thing now that's your an Affiliate Manager

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What's your evidence?
PR 0 - So what? Penalized? How do you know?

I can never tell if I understand nothing about SEO or more than most.

PR makes people think my dick is bigger

Trade traffic, not PR.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

PR 0 - So what?

Are you saying a site with PR 0 can still have a lot of good traffic? I'm only asking not to question you but because I don't know any of this stuff. Off the cuff I would say PR doesn't mean squat.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

Are you saying a site with PR 0 can still have a lot of good traffic? I'm only asking not to question you but because I don't know any of this stuff. Off the cuff I would say PR doesn't mean squat.

Think of it this way: would you rather have 1000 blind hits from a PR5 site or 1000 legit hits from a PR0 site?

And while I don't believe the PR hype anyway, back when I did, the PR was for the domain & not for individual pages (and this is probably still true, I just don;t care enough to pay attention)

So just because a category (page) has a PR0 should not effect how much traffic it has or the quality of the traffic.

Example:
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/nipples.htm - PR0
This page has traffic - and more to the point, this page has very targeted traffic.

And as always, with any SE advice (especially from me) this is all just opinion

[Bill]

Pulling links without telling people you are pulling them is a dangerous practice.

Captain and Spaceman - I've got a lot of old links with you guys on a number of domains, do I have to sit here and wonder if you are going to fuck me on them, and vampirize relevance from my network of pages?

I'm glad to see you are both reviewing again on your main sites, and have stopped this practice of not reviewing (at least on your main sites).

But this business of dropping links without notice is bad for everybody, and could end up causing a lot of trouble for everybody.

If we can't trust linking partners, if linking becomes an exercise in who betrays who first, where does it stop?

[spacemanspiff]

Read my post Bill. I said I would contact everyone I could find contact information for. I just wanted to make a post here too because looking through a few of the trades I noticed that I don't have an email saved in my trades folder, and there's no contact info on the sites. In retrospect I probably should have insisted that all trades be done through email so there would be a record.

So far the only thing I've deleted are a couple of domains that redirect all the category specific links to the index page, a domain that's parked, and a few that are so over-the-top bad that they just had to go. I sent emails to the webmasters on those. I'm betting they won't even see them.

As regards our other trades, I'm not fooling with them at all, and I would certainly give you a heads up if I ever did.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

Are you saying a site with PR 0 can still have a lot of good traffic? I'm only asking not to question you but because I don't know any of this stuff. Off the cuff I would say PR doesn't mean squat.

PR is NOT what people think it is. If it was, when you pulled a Google search for any certain term or phrase, the results would be listed by PR in descending order; PR 10s, then PR 9s and so on. PR is not an indication of anything other than PR. Do some searches right now and see how PR2s and 3s appear before PR5s and 6s. PR is a form of voodoo to keep you from seeing the truth.