I've Pulled Hardlink Trades - You May Want To Read This

[jennym]

Originally Posted by Bill

I gather you feel that your linklist offers such unique value to the surfers that you can afford to say "fuck you" to other webmasters, and you don't think you will gain the rep of a linkdropper from this. That's your position, that's your right.

My position is that this is a dangerous road, and, to boot, it's not a solution to this problem.

I'm not a linklist owner. If you guys want to start a linkdropping war it's not that big a deal to me.

I am a linker, and for as long as I've been a linker, the general opinion has been that linkdropping is something only cheaters do.

Did you not read the multiple times I have said I haven't pulled any links over this? So if I no longer want to trade, and I email someone and inform them I no longer want to trade, then I am a cheater? That's a bit dramatic don't you think? I don't think my LL is special at all....that's the problem.

I believe I have always been very polite to people who have come at me politely. I really try not to get involved in drama and pissing. I just asked for opinions. I don't ever like to make enemies. That being said, at the end of the day, I am here to make money. I have children to feed and clothe and put through college. I really can't worry about hurt feelings. And, I think it is childish to have hurt feelings over a business discussion anyway.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by jennym

Oh for the love of God we get it. Jesus Christ how does your wife put up with you?

She's an aethiest.

Originally Posted by jennym

I swear I would probably stab you in your sleep.

If I knew you were willing to sleep with me, I probably would have tried a softer approach.

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

I can't add much SEO science to the discussion (I don't spend much time on SEO boards, and as it has been pointed out elsewhere, unless you're employed by G it's only opinion anyway), but I can share what my LL has been through in the roughly 2 1/2 years it's been online.

It started out with all pages PR0 (naturally). Incrementally index went up to PR4 and almost all cat pages to PR3. Then suddenly ALL cat pages dropped to PR0. Some months later they were all back up to PR2/3. I just checked again and some pages are now PR3, the rest (most) are 0. Index/main page have remained stable. If Google is punishing me, they can't seem to make up their mind.

This leads me to believe the G either
1. Don't have a clue, or
2. Are trying, but can't get it right, or
3. Are changing the rules faster then WMs can catch up, or
4. Any combination of the above.

I try to stay informed of the most common-sense SEO "rules". I no longer aggressively pursue straight reciprocal trades with every Tom, Dick and Harry. I base my trades and whether or not I keep them up on the honesty of the webmaster and the quality of the site. That's about it. I'm off to check on my trades now (haven't done it in a looong time).

I've seen pretty much the same thing over the past few months and it looks like a few others have too. I never gave it a second thought. I figure I'm in a transition period. It's biz as usual for me. I'm not losing any sleep over something I can't control or know how to.

[Preacher]

The few responses I have received from my notices have been positive ones because the webmasters know that they had closed submits or stopped updating and totally understood where I was coming from and I thank them all for that.

And I gave something to talk about on Tuesday night so you should all be thanking me or all we'd hear about is hi-def programming and hockey results!

[Bill]

Originally Posted by jennym

Did you not read the multiple times I have said I haven't pulled any links over this? So if I no longer want to trade, and I email someone and inform them I no longer want to trade, then I am a cheater? That's a bit dramatic don't you think?

Ahhhhhh, my sincere apologies if I misunderstood. I must have misremembered you as saying that you had dropped links. It must have been someone else. I stand corrected, and doubly apologize.

I was mixing up my general concerns about the trust required for linking, and your specific case.

I just want to speak strongly about the importance of linking agreements, and I was concerned that your talk and examples were going to start a panic about linking, about who's cool and who's not, and get people started on a cycle of punitive and quiet linkdropping.

[jennym]

Originally Posted by Preacher

The few responses I have received from my notices have been positive ones because the webmasters know that they had closed submits or stopped updating and totally understood where I was coming from and I thank them all for that.

Glad to hear they understood

Originally Posted by Preacher

And I gave something to talk about on Tuesday night so you should all be thanking me or all we'd hear about is hi-def programming and hockey results!

Originally Posted by Bill

Ahhhhhh, my sincere apologies if I misunderstood. I must have misremembered you as saying that you had dropped links. It must have been someone else. I stand corrected, and doubly apologize.

I was mixing up my general concerns about the trust required for linking, and your specific case.

I just want to speak strongly about the importance of linking agreements, and I was concerned that your talk and examples were going to start a panic about linking, about who's cool and who's not, and get people started on a cycle of punitive and quiet linkdropping.

No worries, just want people to understand that. I have only dropped about 6 or 7 links in about 8 years I think, and none of them had anything to do with this. I will re-evaluate everything in the next week or so and decide what to do then. Rest assured, if I intend to drop any links, I will make every effort to contact the other party.

[oldbrad]

I just started using the google webmaster tools to check how it see's my sites. Not sure if it would show why it may be ranking your sites different, at least as far as tbpr, but have you guys tried using it to see what they see?

[plateman]

yeah jennyM since my no PR pages are aired out to the public how about yours....you said you didnt have any

http://adultlinkpost.com/nude-redhead02.htm cashe date feb 2nd 07

captainJ has them also http://debauchery.com/free-sex-pics-teens_2.html 0 PR and a march cashe date

young and teen girl all over the place, maybe thats why is has a 0 pr google assumes its a bad neighborhood

you be surprised who all has supp pages and no pr pages and free sites now since google is a cock

[dallasdeb]

Originally Posted by jennym

....and I would like to point out that many people here think you are an arrogant, condescending prick who never "joins" a discussion, but simply degrades everyone you believe to be of inferior intelligence.

I thought his post was funny. I thought the other post was hilarious.
When did you lose your sense of humor?

[CaptainJSparrow]

Plateman, I don't get you. You attack, then apologize, then attack again. You keep making references to me because I pulled your link. Hell man, your whole site, except for your index page, has got some sort of problem. Sorry, it's not my fault that something happened to your site. If I knew what it was, I'd certainly tell you, but I don't. Read my original post in this thread.

Guys, ya'll've saved me from having to start a post. I've spent the last week looking over my link trades and deleting the bad ones. I had some that were trying to install viruses, a bunch that have been penalized by google and have pr=0 on their category pages, and alot that did just what was mentioned above...no new content, changed up the pages to just ads, etc. Hence, be forewarned (Ok, it's really after the fact because I've already pulled'em) I have pulled all links that I thought would be detrimental to my site to be linked to.

I was going to start a post letting folks know that I pulled some bad pages from my links section. I had no intention of doing it and not bringing it to their attention...just the fact that I posted here shows that. Most of what I pulled had the same kind of things that Preacher pulled when he started this thread.

Yes Plateman, I pulled the links to your category pages, in my judgement they have the potential to be detrimental to my site. I don't know this for sure and I had no intention of broadcasting this to everyone...you did that. Had you PM'd me I would've been glad to share everything that I know, and my theories, with you, and explain why I felt it necessary to pull the links to your category pages.

Now you're going to "throw shit at the fan" and try to point out that I have some pr=0 pages? You are correct. The particular page that you pointed out is a secondary page for that section that I created recently. It has currently has no incoming links so I doubt that it has a penalty from Google. I do have 26 pages in the supplemental index...let's not forget about that. Do you know how many you have in the supplemental index? I do. Matter of fact, that weighed more in my decision to pull the links to your category pages than the pr=0.

My intent was not to attack you, or bring up your dirty laundry in public. Understand, I am not obligated to link with you nor do I need your permission to pull your links. All that honor dictates is that I let you know about it and this post certainly meets that.

[jennym]

Originally Posted by plateman

yeah jennyM since my no PR pages are aired out to the public how about yours....you said you didnt have any

http://adultlinkpost.com/nude-redhead02.htm cashe date feb 2nd 07

captainJ has them also http://debauchery.com/free-sex-pics-teens_2.html 0 PR and a march cashe date

young and teen girl all over the place, maybe thats why is has a 0 pr google assumes its a bad neighborhood

you be surprised who all has supp pages and no pr pages and free sites now since google is a cock

You are kidding me right?? You did all of that research just to show a couple of pages that were CREATED in January?? I believe I said I had never LOST PR...not that I didn't have any pages that were PR0. And, a cache date of Feb 2nd on a page created the end of Jan is not too bad...wouldn't you agree?

[plateman]

captainJ I am pulling the index trade we have

jennyM the same thing

spaceman the same thing

and thats it, I just dont wanna link to your sites anymore

[jennym]

Originally Posted by dallasdeb

I thought his post was funny. I thought the other post was hilarious.
When did you lose your sense of humor?

Honestly, if I thought for one second he meant it as amusement, it would have been funny. But IMO, DD is like that bitter, lonely old man in the neighborhood who hates all the kids and hollers at them from his front door. With every post he has ever made, he comes across and rude and condescending. He is honestly the one person on this board that I can not stand, so maybe I am a little sensitive to his posts. I can admit that

[jennym]

Originally Posted by plateman

captainJ I am pulling the index trade we have

jennyM the same thing

spaceman the same thing

and thats it, I just dont wanna link to your sites anymore

I really can't believe people act this way over a business discussion. I never once dissed you or your sites. But...whatever. Your links have been pulled. Don't forget we traded on main page and submit page as well.

[CaptainJSparrow]

No prob plateman. I truly hope your site loses it's penalty and that you end up doing well.

[plateman]

Originally Posted by jennym

I really can't believe people act this way over a business discussion. I never once dissed you or your sites. But...whatever. Your links have been pulled. Don't forget we traded on main page and submit page as well.

Yup I know all gone here

[plateman]

Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

No prob plateman. I truly hope your site loses it's penalty and that you end up doing well.

its not a penalty read what matt cutts says about

As a reminder, supplemental results aren’t something to be afraid of; I’ve got pages from my site in the supplemental results, for example. A complete software rewrite of the infrastructure for supplemental results launched in Summer o’ 2005, and the supplemental results continue to get fresher. Having urls in the supplemental results doesn’t mean that you have some sort of penalty at all; the main determinant of whether a url is in our main web index or in the supplemental index is PageRank. If you used to have pages in our main web index and now they’re in the supplemental results, a good hypothesis is that we might not be counting links to your pages with the same weight as we have in the past. The approach I’d recommend in that case is to use solid white-hat SEO to get high-quality links (e.g. editorially given by other sites on the basis of merit).

[Useless]

Honesty, from the bottom of my heart, with every bit of sincerity that I can conjure forth, I truly hope that you all continue to ignore Bill's advice and allow your little lists to crumble. I could really use that very minor boost in traffic.

My new slogan: Live by Google. Die by Google.

[plateman]

Originally Posted by jennym

You are kidding me right?? You did all of that research just to show a couple of pages that were CREATED in January?? I believe I said I had never LOST PR...not that I didn't have any pages that were PR0. And, a cache date of Feb 2nd on a page created the end of Jan is not too bad...wouldn't you agree?

well If you created that page in jan going by your group it's already penilized

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...&start=10&sa=N

adultlinkpost.com/nude-redhead02.htm - 23k - Supplemental Result

[jennym]

Originally Posted by plateman

its not a penalty read what matt cutts says about

Having urls in the supplemental results doesn’t mean that you have some sort of penalty at all; the main determinant of whether a url is in our main web index or in the supplemental index is PageRank. If you used to have pages in our main web index and now they’re in the supplemental results, a good hypothesis is that we might not be counting links to your pages with the same weight as we have in the past. The approach I’d recommend in that case is to use solid white-hat SEO to get high-quality links (e.g. editorially given by other sites on the basis of merit).

I am sorry, but that sounds EXACTLY like a penalty to me.
Not necessarily a "you are doing something bad" penalty, but a "we are doing something different, and don't like this" penalty from Google.
You seem to think for some reason this is personal, and that couldn't be further from the truth. I am truly sorry you felt personally attacked. I simply wanted to have a nice business discussion, and find out what others were thinking. Unfortunately, very few people participated in the discussion, and it turned into an emotional debate instead of a business one.

[jennym]

Originally Posted by plateman

well If you created that page in jan going by your group it's already penilized

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...&start=10&sa=N

adultlinkpost.com/nude-redhead02.htm - 23k - Supplemental Result

LOL
Based on the info YOU supplied, the supplemental is based on PR. That page hasn't achieved PR yet, therefore being in the SI is no biggie. My other BRAND NEW pages are there as well.

[plateman]

Originally Posted by jennym

LOL
Based on the info YOU supplied, the supplemental is based on PR. That page hasn't achieved PR yet, therefore being in the SI is no biggie. My other BRAND NEW pages are there as well.

we will see I am done posting to PR bots

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by dallasdeb

I thought his post was funny. I thought the other post was hilarious.
When did you lose your sense of humor?

[Jel]

An interesting read for sure. As of a few weeks ago I've been trying to think of a way to change my existing trades that are recipricol into a>b>c trades, with my new LL being the 'C' link. Unfortunately it means work on the part of my link partners changing links they have to my old(er) LL to the new one.

As a general question that might even get a bit lost within this thread, is it safe to assume that generally speaking people would be ok doing some changes on their LLs to benefit both parties by creating a>b>c links, which definitely seems to be what Google prefers?

I'd hate to open another can of worms and piss off my existing trades by asking them to point my links they have up to another page and create a 'fuck me Jel is more trouble trading with than it's worth' scenario.

For the record, some of my internal pages on cfnmparty.co.uk have recently gone to PR0 and show in supplemental results. So I've probably been dropped by some anyway

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Preacher

...And I gave something to talk about on Tuesday night so you should all be thanking me or all we'd hear about is hi-def programming and hockey results!

Oh now that's just not right!

And I'm moving all thaqt stuff to my blog

Originally Posted by jennym

...and I would like to point out that many people here think you are an arrogant, condescending prick who never "joins" a discussion, but simply degrades everyone you believe to be of inferior intelligence.

While that may be true, I have to admit, the guy knows his shit.