I've Pulled Hardlink Trades - You May Want To Read This - Page 5

Linkster · 2007-04-13, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie

the guy knows his shit.

That is very true - and fortunately one of the nicest guys Ive worked with in the industry

Oh...and HI DEB!!!!

plateman · 2007-04-13, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

That is very true - and fortunately one of the nicest guys Ive worked with in the industry

Oh...and HI DEB!!!!

yup he is, DD is good people in my book and the friends of his that I know are too

jennym · 2007-04-13, 01:09 PM

Since this thread is obviously not going to be productive, I will make a few comments, and bow out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

That is very true - and fortunately one of the nicest guys Ive worked with in the industry

I have never said DD was an idiot. I just have a problem with his delivery. He basically comes in, says "all of you are fucking idiots" and leaves. That being said, I am sure he has been pleasant in personal dealings with some people.
However.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by plateman

yup he is, DD is good people in my book and the friends of his that I know are too

He is great? All his friends are great? This just comes off as typical message board ass licking.

Since it is obvious from this thread that I can be a bitch,

I will concede that fact. But, I am not here to kiss ass or stroke egos. I will bring up what I think is a discussion worthy topic. And, if I believe I am doing the right thing, I will defend it to the end. At the end of the day, there will be those that disagree, and that is fine with me. There are certainly no hard feelings on my end over a business discussion. I won't pull links, decline sites, or be a bitch to someone in the future based on a message board disagreement. It certainly wouldn't have caused me to pull plateman's links. If any of you feel differently, then you should back up, take a deep breath, and maybe come back later.

On that note....happy Friday the 13th to all

plateman · 2007-04-13, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jennym

Since this thread is obviously not going to be productive, I will make a few comments, and bow out.

I have never said DD was an idiot. I just have a problem with his delivery. He basically comes in, says "all of you are fucking idiots" and leaves. That being said, I am sure he has been pleasant in personal dealings with some people.
However.......

He is great? All his friends are great? This just comes off as typical message board ass licking.

Since it is obvious from this thread that I can be a bitch,

I will concede that fact. But, I am not here to kiss ass or stroke egos. I will bring up what I think is a discussion worthy topic. And, if I believe I am doing the right thing, I will defend it to the end. At the end of the day, there will be those that disagree, and that is fine with me. There are certainly no hard feelings on my end over a business discussion. I won't pull links, decline sites, or be a bitch to someone in the future based on a message board disagreement. It certainly wouldn't have caused me to pull plateman's links. If any of you feel differently, then you should back up, take a deep breath, and maybe come back later.

On that note....happy Friday the 13th to all

why is that linkster can say dave is a nice guy and so on, but I can't and am called a ass kisser and stroker?

I should have pulled the links and moved on and told you guys to kiss my fuckin ass a lot of posts ago

Useless · 2007-04-13, 02:18 PM

Where else in the world is being in agreement considered ass kissing? Of course, it's always the person who disagrees who calls it that.

There have been many, many occasions where it has been insinuated that I kiss GG's or DD's ass. Trust me, there's no point in that. They see through it and don't respect it. And anyone who is a regular reader of this board has seen me openly disagree with both. I just don't call them cocksuckers or cunts during the argument.

Back to the point - during SE discussions here, I have read that the sites which link to you may be as important as who you link to. BUT that doesn't necessarily mean that where one's pages fall in the results is of any great impact. Losing those inbound links, in my opinion, is more likely to cause you problems than maintaining them; assuming those sites are not SE spammers.

Steady as she goes is my rule of thumb.

If you think you are declining in the SEs, you should probably look internally instead of assuming that its the fault of your linking partners. Hell, an improperly setup, or unhealthy, server can cause you huge issues when the bots come-a-knocking. If you are not failing in the SEs, then there's probably little point to this conversation.

Linkster · 2007-04-25, 06:51 PM

Reviving this one - just got an email today - site is edited out but thought it was interesting that they considered the fact that other sites might leave links up to them after they pull all outgoing link trades - more interesting is that when I visited the LL I noticed that they had broken their categories down into pae 1, 2 etc and no cat link trades were on the first cat page at all - and this is before they started pulling links???

"Hi,

We really appreciate the link exchanges that you have done with us over the past years.

We have some link lists that are performing poorly in the Google SERPS and we're trying to figure out why. We've looked at a lot of on-site factors and made adjustments without much effect so far. We're now looking at the off-site factors that we think may effect rankings. This is not a "knee-jerk" reaction. We've been studying and experimenting since October on sites that started trending down at that time.

We think that google may have identified certain sites as part of a link farm (for lack of a better phrase). We think that this link farm consists of somewhere between 50 and 100 sites. If you look at the SERPS and go to the back (the 1000th result) and start looking forward you'll see a lot of pages from sites that are part of the same group of link exchanges. We not saying that these sites constitute a link farm in the usual sense like free-4-all schemes, but that Google may have tightened up their definition of link farms.

We are conducting an SEO experiment to see if we can identify this as the case. To do this, we are going to pull links to all sites on site. We are doing this because we really have no way of telling which sites/pages Google considers part of this link farm and which are not. We want to let Google spider this site for a few weeks and see that it is no longer linking to the same group of sites, then see what effect this has on our placement in the SERPS. We're not making any statements as to whether any sites are penalized or artificially dampened.

We apologize for the inconvenience that this may cause you. We encourage you to watch the SERPS to see if our experiment works. Please feel free to contact us at any time and we will gladly share our thoughts and findings with you.

We certainly understand if you want to pull your links to our site. It may help you to do this...we just don't know at this point. We own close to 400 sites and the only links we're pulling are the ones on site edited out.

As you know, sometimes SEO is just trial and error. A lot of the webmasters that we've spoken to have expressed the same concerns about linking to a big group of sites that all tend to link to each other. The only way to find out is by experimentation. This is what we are doing, we are trying something and letting all of our link exchange partners know up front so you too can watch the results, and hopefully benefit from this experiment too.

We are not ruling out putting links back on this site after the experiment...we just want to give it some time with no link exchanges on this one site to see what happens.

Again, thanks in advance for your patience and understanding."

Linkster · 2007-04-25, 07:14 PM

Funny thing is this very same site that sent out this email has evidently already pulled the cat trades - but their second page of links - which is where I assumed they put the link trades isnt there - and the free site submitters arent going to be happy with this:
"robots" content="noindex,nofollow - on the cat pages after the newest page

Bill · 2007-04-25, 07:16 PM

I like how they say, "Your sites and links may be considered part of a link farm (but our _four hundred_ sites are innocent victims.)".

Bill · 2007-04-25, 07:22 PM

The experiment, however, is a valid one. It would be interesting to see what happens.

However, since they know that not everyone will get around to dropping their links, they know the experiment is invalid because of all the inbounds. Naturally if you kill the reciprocals by dropping the outgoings from your page, increasing the number of oneway incomings, you're going to enjoy a short burst of relevance at other peoples expense.

So, lets say that the experiment _would_ be a valid one, if everybody jumps quick and kills all their links to that domain.

Surfn · 2007-04-25, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

Funny thing is this very same site that sent out this email has evidently already pulled the cat trades - but their second page of links - which is where I assumed they put the link trades isnt there - and the free site submitters arent going to be happy with this:
"robots" content="noindex,nofollow - on the cat pages after the newest page

Interesting...

plateman · 2007-04-25, 07:44 PM

it really sorta good that this going down like this and see what LL owners are gonna start stabbing in the back

plus all the old LL that enjoyed years and years of a good income from google and thought they would never loose it was wrong, if you cant afford to loose a few LL se traffic that you own for a while then you didnt choose your biz model well...

I know for one I am gonna contact a few other LL's that I have index trades with to dissolve them, when I see prolly over a 100 hardlink trades on a index that IMO is a link farm

Linkster · 2007-04-25, 08:16 PM

The whole issue here is that anyone can interpret Google's definition of a link farm - I guess all those blogs out there that recip link on their first pages willnow be considered link farms if you follow the same theory to its conclusion - add to that that there are many LLs and TGPs in the top 100 that have exactly the same structure (and link partners) the whole concept falls apart

Surfn · 2007-04-25, 09:07 PM

I have never pulled an honest working link trade and have no plans to begin such a practice.

Of course I don't have the huge trades I see on many sites these days...I prefer old school trade partners.

DangerDave · 2007-04-25, 09:24 PM

Hahaha.. Linkster you should name them! I know that I want to know who they are so that I can make sure I avoid them!

People need to stop blaming Google and other sites for their 'misfortune', and concentrate on their own 'work'. Additionally they should start ignoring all these theorists that only come up with crap to explain their own stupidity or laziness.

The "rules" for ranking well in google have not changed in years since it arrived.

If you have regularly updated relevant and informative content you will rank well.
If you have and continue to gain incoming links to your sites from other quality and relevant sites you will rank well.
Do both and you will out rank everyone, and who you link to will have absolutely no influence on anything..

Based on some peoples theories, if Microsft linked to Plateman then Microsoft's ranking would fall.. What a crock of shit

Hi JennyM

- is that arrogant enuff for you!?

DD

Maj. Stress · 2007-04-26, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave

The "rules" for ranking well in google have not changed in years since it arrived.
DD

While the core basics have pretty much remained the same, how they are interpreted has changed and continues to change. This can be said for other large search engines also.

ronnie · 2007-04-26, 01:04 PM

I got the same e-mail as Linkster and I was thinking the same way as Bill. I also was hit up on ICQ by another webmaster saying basically the same thing. I was going to start a thread the other day, see how many people are doing this, as one person told me "many" webmasters are taking about this, though I've only seen a couple mention it.

Like Bill is saying, how many webmasters are not going to get the links down right away. Also, how many won't even know about it? And why are these people not posting on the boards to try and let every one know?

plateman · 2007-04-26, 01:28 PM

someone pm me the LL that is doing this or hit me up

bluemoney · 2007-04-26, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave

The "rules" for ranking well in google have not changed in years since it arrived.

If you have regularly updated relevant and informative content you will rank well.
If you have and continue to gain incoming links to your sites from other quality and relevant sites you will rank well.
Do both and you will out rank everyone, and who you link to will have absolutely no influence on anything..

I agree
And that's worth printing out . . hint hint

Licker4U · 2007-04-26, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave

Based on some peoples theories, if Microsft linked to Plateman then Microsoft's ranking would fall.. What a crock of shit
DD

I read an article recently and I wish I could remember where it is but I can't. It addresses this issue, to a degree. A web site can't be penalized due to the sites that linkt to the site because the site doesn't have any control over what sites link to it. (Think D*sney is going to be penalized because porn sites link to it? Not a chance. D*sney has no control over who links to them) On the other hand, if there is a recip link in place, would that make a difference? I don't know anything about a site being penalized but it would seem that if two sites exchange links and they both have relevant content, i.e. a Lesbian cat. page linking to a Lesbian cat. page, then that would be a good link exchange.

plateman · 2007-12-11, 09:47 PM

I just noticed I missed removing a link to one of captain J sparrows network "sex on the internet" http://sexontheinternet.com/

I checked my trades a good while after this thread and my LL and sex on the internet were still reciped
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ernet%2ecom%2f

not now, but look I am still linked to him, and you can't tell me he didnt know it....look at all the radical seo he done to his network....he played me for a fool...and lots of other LL's by pulling there links and NOT telling hardly any of them....

he also fucked over the webmasters who submitted to him in the past that had to wait 6 months or a year to get listed if they were lucky...

you guys remember....

sure we had it out about the category trades that HE dropped from my LL and others, but was burns my ass is he didnt have the common courtesy to tell me he is pulling the links on "sex on the internet"

captain j - you are a slime ball snake in the grass no good cock sucker

SO GO FUCK YOURSELF

NY Jester · 2007-12-11, 10:14 PM

Wow, thats some pretty harsh words..couldnt this of been done in a PM?

Useless · 2007-12-11, 11:05 PM

Note to self: plateman is a very angry individual.

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-12-11, 11:14 PM

Plateman? Sorry, do I know you? FYI, on sexontheinternet I didn't mess with any links, a webmaster working for our company did that and to my knowledge he let the folks that had link trades on that site know about it prior to doing it. I don't work that site at all, never have.

CJS

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-12-11, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Note to self: plateman is a very angry individual.

Uw, that comment cracked me up!

CJS

plateman · 2007-12-11, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

Plateman? Sorry, do I know you? FYI, on sexontheinternet I didn't mess with any links, a webmaster working for our company did that and to my knowledge he let the folks that had link trades on that site know about it prior to doing it. I don't work that site at all, never have.

CJS

I never had anyone contact me, our link trading is over, so have a nice fuckin day

2007-04-13, 02:18 PM	#105
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	Where else in the world is being in agreement considered ass kissing? Of course, it's always the person who disagrees who calls it that. There have been many, many occasions where it has been insinuated that I kiss GG's or DD's ass. Trust me, there's no point in that. They see through it and don't respect it. And anyone who is a regular reader of this board has seen me openly disagree with both. I just don't call them cocksuckers or cunts during the argument. Back to the point - during SE discussions here, I have read that the sites which link to you may be as important as who you link to. BUT that doesn't necessarily mean that where one's pages fall in the results is of any great impact. Losing those inbound links, in my opinion, is more likely to cause you problems than maintaining them; assuming those sites are not SE spammers. Steady as she goes is my rule of thumb. If you think you are declining in the SEs, you should probably look internally instead of assuming that its the fault of your linking partners. Hell, an improperly setup, or unhealthy, server can cause you huge issues when the bots come-a-knocking. If you are not failing in the SEs, then there's probably little point to this conversation. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling. Last edited by Useless; 2007-04-13 at 02:21 PM..

2007-04-25, 06:51 PM	#106
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Reviving this one - just got an email today - site is edited out but thought it was interesting that they considered the fact that other sites might leave links up to them after they pull all outgoing link trades - more interesting is that when I visited the LL I noticed that they had broken their categories down into pae 1, 2 etc and no cat link trades were on the first cat page at all - and this is before they started pulling links??? "Hi, We really appreciate the link exchanges that you have done with us over the past years. We have some link lists that are performing poorly in the Google SERPS and we're trying to figure out why. We've looked at a lot of on-site factors and made adjustments without much effect so far. We're now looking at the off-site factors that we think may effect rankings. This is not a "knee-jerk" reaction. We've been studying and experimenting since October on sites that started trending down at that time. We think that google may have identified certain sites as part of a link farm (for lack of a better phrase). We think that this link farm consists of somewhere between 50 and 100 sites. If you look at the SERPS and go to the back (the 1000th result) and start looking forward you'll see a lot of pages from sites that are part of the same group of link exchanges. We not saying that these sites constitute a link farm in the usual sense like free-4-all schemes, but that Google may have tightened up their definition of link farms. We are conducting an SEO experiment to see if we can identify this as the case. To do this, we are going to pull links to all sites on site. We are doing this because we really have no way of telling which sites/pages Google considers part of this link farm and which are not. We want to let Google spider this site for a few weeks and see that it is no longer linking to the same group of sites, then see what effect this has on our placement in the SERPS. We're not making any statements as to whether any sites are penalized or artificially dampened. We apologize for the inconvenience that this may cause you. We encourage you to watch the SERPS to see if our experiment works. Please feel free to contact us at any time and we will gladly share our thoughts and findings with you. We certainly understand if you want to pull your links to our site. It may help you to do this...we just don't know at this point. We own close to 400 sites and the only links we're pulling are the ones on site edited out. As you know, sometimes SEO is just trial and error. A lot of the webmasters that we've spoken to have expressed the same concerns about linking to a big group of sites that all tend to link to each other. The only way to find out is by experimentation. This is what we are doing, we are trying something and letting all of our link exchange partners know up front so you too can watch the results, and hopefully benefit from this experiment too. We are not ruling out putting links back on this site after the experiment...we just want to give it some time with no link exchanges on this one site to see what happens. Again, thanks in advance for your patience and understanding." __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash Last edited by Linkster; 2007-04-25 at 06:54 PM..

2007-04-25, 07:14 PM	#107
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Funny thing is this very same site that sent out this email has evidently already pulled the cat trades - but their second page of links - which is where I assumed they put the link trades isnt there - and the free site submitters arent going to be happy with this: "robots" content="noindex,nofollow - on the cat pages after the newest page __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2007-04-25, 07:44 PM	#111
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	it really sorta good that this going down like this and see what LL owners are gonna start stabbing in the back plus all the old LL that enjoyed years and years of a good income from google and thought they would never loose it was wrong, if you cant afford to loose a few LL se traffic that you own for a while then you didnt choose your biz model well... I know for one I am gonna contact a few other LL's that I have index trades with to dissolve them, when I see prolly over a 100 hardlink trades on a index that IMO is a link farm __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2007-04-25, 08:16 PM	#112
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	The whole issue here is that anyone can interpret Google's definition of a link farm - I guess all those blogs out there that recip link on their first pages willnow be considered link farms if you follow the same theory to its conclusion - add to that that there are many LLs and TGPs in the top 100 that have exactly the same structure (and link partners) the whole concept falls apart __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2007-04-25, 07:16 PM	#108
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I like how they say, "Your sites and links may be considered part of a link farm (but our _four hundred_ sites are innocent victims.)".

2007-04-25, 07:22 PM	#109
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	The experiment, however, is a valid one. It would be interesting to see what happens. However, since they know that not everyone will get around to dropping their links, they know the experiment is invalid because of all the inbounds. Naturally if you kill the reciprocals by dropping the outgoings from your page, increasing the number of oneway incomings, you're going to enjoy a short burst of relevance at other peoples expense. So, lets say that the experiment _would_ be a valid one, if everybody jumps quick and kills all their links to that domain.

2007-04-25, 09:07 PM	#113
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I have never pulled an honest working link trade and have no plans to begin such a practice. Of course I don't have the huge trades I see on many sites these days...I prefer old school trade partners. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2007-04-25, 09:24 PM	#114
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	Hahaha.. Linkster you should name them! I know that I want to know who they are so that I can make sure I avoid them! People need to stop blaming Google and other sites for their 'misfortune', and concentrate on their own 'work'. Additionally they should start ignoring all these theorists that only come up with crap to explain their own stupidity or laziness. The "rules" for ranking well in google have not changed in years since it arrived. If you have regularly updated relevant and informative content you will rank well. If you have and continue to gain incoming links to your sites from other quality and relevant sites you will rank well. Do both and you will out rank everyone, and who you link to will have absolutely no influence on anything.. Based on some peoples theories, if Microsft linked to Plateman then Microsoft's ranking would fall.. What a crock of shit Hi JennyM - is that arrogant enuff for you!? DD

2007-04-26, 01:04 PM	#116
ronnie Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Posts: 2,274	I got the same e-mail as Linkster and I was thinking the same way as Bill. I also was hit up on ICQ by another webmaster saying basically the same thing. I was going to start a thread the other day, see how many people are doing this, as one person told me "many" webmasters are taking about this, though I've only seen a couple mention it. Like Bill is saying, how many webmasters are not going to get the links down right away. Also, how many won't even know about it? And why are these people not posting on the boards to try and let every one know?

2007-04-26, 01:28 PM	#117
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	someone pm me the LL that is doing this or hit me up __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2007-12-11, 09:47 PM	#120
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	I just noticed I missed removing a link to one of captain J sparrows network "sex on the internet" http://sexontheinternet.com/ I checked my trades a good while after this thread and my LL and sex on the internet were still reciped http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ernet%2ecom%2f not now, but look I am still linked to him, and you can't tell me he didnt know it....look at all the radical seo he done to his network....he played me for a fool...and lots of other LL's by pulling there links and NOT telling hardly any of them.... he also fucked over the webmasters who submitted to him in the past that had to wait 6 months or a year to get listed if they were lucky... you guys remember.... sure we had it out about the category trades that HE dropped from my LL and others, but was burns my ass is he didnt have the common courtesy to tell me he is pulling the links on "sex on the internet" captain j - you are a slime ball snake in the grass no good cock sucker SO GO FUCK YOURSELF __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2007-12-11, 10:14 PM	#121
NY Jester ICQ:147079406 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: RockMEHardplace Posts: 2,996	Wow, thats some pretty harsh words..couldnt this of been done in a PM? __________________ The Sexy Side of Porn

2007-12-11, 11:05 PM	#122
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	Note to self: plateman is a very angry individual. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2007-12-11, 11:14 PM	#123
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Plateman? Sorry, do I know you? FYI, on sexontheinternet I didn't mess with any links, a webmaster working for our company did that and to my knowledge he let the folks that had link trades on that site know about it prior to doing it. I don't work that site at all, never have. CJS Last edited by CaptainJSparrow; 2007-12-11 at 11:20 PM..