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RawAlex 2005-04-10 12:46 PM

The 98 to XP story is funny - microsoft always tries to sell you on upgrades, but the reality is that OS and other programs leave tons of junk around the place, and an upgrade is often less than effective because of those little issues... a wrong dll, a corrupted file, a 98 only driver... whatever.

Kat, sounds like you got caught behind a firewall. Microsoft installs one pretty much "like that" with sp2 now, so you may have to manually re-open the port that your cam software is using. I am sure the manufacture would have info on their website, as I am sure you are not the only one.

You could also go and disable the firewall completely.

XP home - now there is a winning product! A dumb, neutered, full frontal lobotomy version of an OS that needs all it's brains to survive. A bad idea, bad choice, delete and install XP pro or just don't bother using the machine. A waste of space.

Finally, as for the Microstar 6167 mb, well, running AMD is always a crap shoot. You will often require special driver, and special OS patches to match up to the processor. Some of the AMD motherboards were also less than compliant at times, so there can be issues. This is a 6 year old mb design as well, maybe even 7 or 8, so you really are pushing it (their last driver update at msi for it is dated 1999). Those were the bad old days for compatiblity issues amd to intel / microslop.

Alex

Head Boy 2005-04-10 12:51 PM

I haven't required any support from Microsoft ever. I notice that they had to buy another company to try to prevent their current OS from being infected/corrupted, so I suspect they aren't too well informed about the activities of their in-house coders. :)

98 re-calibrates it's cache fairly frequently unless you tell it not to. Just go into virtual memory and set it to a fixed size.

HS - a few things about Norton make you suspect that they are not too stessed about people getting infected - it probably means they can sell them a bit more stuff or an upgrade.

airdick 2005-04-10 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex
XP home - now there is a winning product! A dumb, neutered, full frontal lobotomy version of an OS that needs all it's brains to survive. A bad idea, bad choice, delete and install XP pro or just don't bother using the machine. A waste of space.

What feature(s) missing from XP Home vs. XP Pro are there that you can't live without?

I not a big fan of Microsoft products, but I can remember the misery of supporting NT 3.5 and 4.0, and XP Home seems to be a fairly decent desktop OS compared to where Windows was at 9 years ago. After installing Cygwin and a few other tweaks my Presario Laptop with XP Home is almost the Powerbook that I really wanted, but at 1/3 the cost.

HappySmut 2005-04-10 02:59 PM

yea amd shouldnt have any business making mother boards theres allways some patch for them i do like there processor for the ability to live has long has they do. combined with asus mother boards i havnt had any trouble with that combination however i would very much like to throw away via chipset based mother boards cuase they have conflics with anything a month newer then the actual chipset.

Joe 2005-04-10 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by amber438
Most of you know I am an MCSE (microshit engineer) from way back..also novell and cisco, etc..
If you plan on continuing to use Windows XP, even tho it is not the best operating system in the world, there will come a day when you will not be able to update and get the patches without it. Period. If I am not mistaken, Tuesday is the day.
You need to be sure all of your other software is up to date (you should anyway) and stable before you do.

I run za and have version security suite 5.5.062.011, which is the most STABLE of the new security suite versions. I have spysweeper but stuck with Version 3.2.0 (Build 148) because it is the least intrusive and most stable one, I use Norton system works 2004 because it is the most stable one for my system. Do you see a pattern?

Pick your accompanying software carefully. I know we should be able to use any damn thing we want but sometimes, with certain things, one must investigate and possibly upgrade for the health of the system.
Software companies are slowly making their products SP2 compatible so look out for upgrades on items you use.

And set scans daily and weekly to keep you secure even tho you are behind a nat or hardware firewall just because. You need a trojan scanner, spyware scanner and antivirus scanner to be on the neurotic safe side.
There have been a few minor firefox exploits and a few minor mac exploits in the past few months so beware, the hackers and idiots who do this are getting smarter by the minute.

Hanging out on exploit irc channels will really open your eyes but be careful.

|mml|

You're a certified computer engineer, but yet you're using ZA?

There are a few other firewalls that outperform ZA-- And offer more advanced controls. ;)

Anyways, there's probably a reason why you're still using ZA... Either that, or I'm just too obsessed about my incoming and outgoing traffic.

RawAlex 2005-04-10 04:08 PM

airdick, XP home is just not as robust, there are things in the way it looks at networking, system control, etc that are just not the same as XP pro, and it leads to "issues". My sister is a horribly bad computer person, shares a system with 2 kids a hubby that is even worse. They had XP home, I was up there every other week fixing something, patching whatnot. reformated the system completely, put on xp pro, and all of those issues just went away.

Now if I could just get them to stop downloading spyware, we would have something.

Alex

cd34 2005-04-10 06:02 PM

I installed W2k3 Enterprise the other day. When it gets done, it asks you if you want to connect to the mothership to download updates.

The first box that pops up says: windowsupdate.microsoft.com is not a trusted site. You should only allow sites that you trust to be moved into this zone. It did this about 4 times with different .microsoft.com hostnames associated with the upgrade.

Sort of makes you feel all warm inside when even Microsoft doesn't trust Microsoft sites. :)

Toni KatVixen 2005-04-10 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex
Kat, sounds like you got caught behind a firewall. Microsoft installs one pretty much "like that" with sp2 now, so you may have to manually re-open the port that your cam software is using. I am sure the manufacture would have info on their website, as I am sure you are not the only one.

You could also go and disable the firewall completely.

I had actually disabled the firewall. For the private show it uses flash & requires no download. Just hook up your cam & go.

I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to this. So would manually re-opening my port apply? And if so, how would I do that?

amber438 2005-04-10 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo
OK, dumb PC question. We do this on Macs in case an update goes bad.

Can't you just mirror the drive before doing an update and if things go bad just restore the drive from the mirror?

Mac people use Carbon Copy Cloner, I thought Ghost did this on the PC side of things.

Yes you can use ghost, I use it all the time. But in the case of windows 2K or Xp, because the os is proprietary, if you have say replaced the chip or mobo or other assorted itmes, it may be a but hairy and will probably ask you to reregister. Win2k had a replicator called sysrep that replicated for you too because of this problem.
In case of trouble, I always just have my os on it's own hard drive and install all programs on another so I can see what I had, what I still want, etc. I also always try to keep a mirrored hard drive on hand at all times in a removable case just for problems

lassiter 2005-04-10 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex
As for software firewalls, well, like I said, they are ALL pointless.

Well, maybe. A firewall that sets all ports to emulate stealth mode, like ZA, certainly offers protection from all the script kiddies that are just auto-pinging ports within certain IP ranges looking for an open port. ZA always shows my ports as non-existent, and there's plenty of wide-open unprotected machines for the kids to hack.

Sure, it probably wouldn't stop a knowledgable person who specifically wished to do me harm, but it's effective against virtually all of the idjits that are probing for open ports.

amber438 2005-04-10 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe
You're a certified computer engineer, but yet you're using ZA?

There are a few other firewalls that outperform ZA-- And offer more advanced controls. ;)

Anyways, there's probably a reason why you're still using ZA... Either that, or I'm just too obsessed about my incoming and outgoing traffic.

I've used sygate for years and just switched to za to play with it on my honey pot. I have a hardware firewall for the rest of the network. Nortons is good also but intrusive. Tiny firewall is soso and Kerio is very good. I dont love McAfee products but their firewall is supposed to be good. Panda is ok too.

Interesting personal firewall info here from GRC, my fav security site.

For the average user, these are fine. They are really not obsessed with in/out..
The best by far is to have a hardware one and not think about it.

Head Boy 2005-04-11 01:54 AM

Any "professional" that uses Norton products loses all my respect. When I was installing and maintaining networks I would refuse to work on any system that had any Norton product on it. They just caused too many problems. In most cases removing Norton fixed the problems anyway. It now seems to be impossible to remove Norton though.

Norton are still spamming, and it's only benefit seems to be in providing employment for local businesses that offer a virus removal service for home computer users.

amber438 2005-04-11 07:47 AM

Norton's is a pain in the ass, very true. Unfortunately people are afraid to try other things if they've used it for years and "love" it.
Refusing to work on a system that uses it, tho, is imho not exactly condusive to business if you are in the business of working on computers and networks. I'd never recommend it to begin with. I try to convince people to switch to something less intrusive, say panda or avp or something else, and give them reasons why. That usually works. But if they won't, well I'd never turn them down.
I have a system I use to test different things and I tested Nortons system works 2005, pos (piece of shit). 2004 firewall really blocks a lot of stuff but, like all the rest of nortons, is very intrusive and slows the pc down quite a bit.
Norton's has a tool to remove it but it never really does get all the nasty little bits it leaves behind. If it becomes a problem, I wipe out the pc and be done with it. That usually convinces people to change.

|mml|

Verbal 2005-04-11 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleo
OK, dumb PC question. We do this on Macs in case an update goes bad.

Can't you just mirror the drive before doing an update and if things go bad just restore the drive from the mirror?

Mac people use Carbon Copy Cloner, I thought Ghost did this on the PC side of things.

In WinXP, you can set what's called a System Restore Point, which is a snapshot of your system, apps, registry etc. Then if anything screws up after installing new software, you can revert back to how it was before. It has saved my ass on several occassions. :)

pornrex 2005-04-13 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JanTM
I have XP and SP2 also. Its rock solid - this version was installed 18 months ago and has never given me any trouble.

I have to agree Jan...

Since I've had XP home and the sp2 patch in place and the quickheal full protection package, I'd have to say things are a-ok for me as well for quite sometime now.

The only time I ever have any real problem is if I have about 30-40 windows open and 10 billion applications running at the same time.

SinSational 2005-04-13 12:51 PM

i let the xp auto-updates run. haven't had any issues yet (fingers crossed).

tortus32 2005-04-13 02:13 PM

Holy crap!

After reading this whole post, I'm sure glad I'm on a Mac - LOL!!

Bill

tortus32 2005-04-15 11:43 PM

I seem to have a talent for bringing posts to a screeching hault - lol!

Bill :D


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